Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

[Choose Wisely]

I agree 100% with your earlier post about there being no need for a future Jewish temple, because Christ is now the temple.


However, the area now known as "The Temple Mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.

Every day thousands of Jews and Christians pray at a wall made up of stones stacked one upon another.
Based on the words of Christ that wall cannot be a part of the ancient Jewish temple.
See the link below.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

Fort Antonia and the Jewish Temple:



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.





Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.





Mar 15:16 Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison.



Act_23:35 he said, "I will hear you when your accusers also have come." And he commanded him to be kept in Herod's Praetorium.



The following comes from Wars of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, Chapter 5, Section 8.



8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.



Josephus said Fort Antonia was built upon a gigantic rock.


This provides tremendous evidence that the Dome of the Rock is the true location of Fort Antonia.



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LOL. So the Jews don't know where their temple is supposed to be. I may be laughing all night on that malarkey.

 

[BABerean2]

LOL. So the Jews don't know where their temple is supposed to be. I may be laughing all night on that malarkey.

You can LOL at the words of Christ if you want to...

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[disciple Clint]

Your post shows clearly you do no understand the nature of the question or the evidence for future prophecy yet to be fulfilled in the Temple. The premise is that the Temple is necessary for the antichrist/ man of sin to be revealed has nothing to do with the completeness of Jesus sacrifice. The fullness of the effect of the new covenant is not being challenged. A rise of evil and the 7 year tribulation can clearly be established in scripture. The dismissing this to being fulfilled in 70AD is one way of trying to stay consistent. If it were all fulfilled in 70ad it would seem odd that Israel is a nation and has prepared everything for a 3rd temple at the time when the world is forming a global government and working towards a cashless global financial system.
You made a point about the ark of the covenant. The Jews are still talking about it and all where it is and expect it to be there when the messiah comes. This is a bit of proof that this is future as Jer 3 says this about the ark.
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

This passage makes sense only in the future scenario where Israel accepts Jesus as LORD. This promise is linked with the idea that it happens at teh time when Jerusalem is called the throne of the LORD. If you compare this to ZEch 14 you will see life continuing on earth after the LORD is king over all the earth. So both statements are true the temple is coming for prophecy to be fulfilled and those who are born again are the sanctuary of God. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Your belief is just as valid as any. Anyone who thinks that they clearly understand this subject, clearly understands nothing. This will always be debated and argued and argued again.

 

[disciple Clint]

I agree 100% with your earlier post about there being no need for a future Jewish temple, because Christ is now the temple.


However, the area now known as "The Temple Mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.

Every day thousands of Jews and Christians pray at a wall made up of stones stacked one upon another.
Based on the words of Christ that wall cannot be a part of the ancient Jewish temple.
See the link below.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

Fort Antonia and the Jewish Temple:



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.





Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.





Mar 15:16 Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison.



Act_23:35 he said, "I will hear you when your accusers also have come." And he commanded him to be kept in Herod's Praetorium.



The following comes from Wars of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, Chapter 5, Section 8.



8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.



Josephus said Fort Antonia was built upon a gigantic rock.


This provides tremendous evidence that the Dome of the Rock is the true location of Fort Antonia.



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OK I may have been wrong about the location, my area of study is Theology not Archeology so I will leave it up to the experts in that area to determine the correct location of the Temple. Has anyone told the Jews that they are praying in the wrong place?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Matthew 24:3 He is sitting on the mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him asking, "what? the sign of Thyparousia.....
Luke 21:20 “Whenever ye see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
then know that nigh is Her desolation.

Luke 21:20-21

• "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
• Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it Depart Out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

The real question is what Jerusalem did God talked about here? Jerusalem is a holy city on this side of the cross which is....? This is where the man of sin (false prophets and christs) ruling in the Holy Temple (2nd Thess 2). Where do you find them at? Obviously, God did not talk about the physical city in 70AD nor in the future with a physical third temple.

 

[disciple Clint]

Luke 21:20-21

• "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
• Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it Depart Out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

The real question is what Jerusalem did God talked about here? Jerusalem is a holy city on this side of the cross which is....? This is where the man of sin (false prophets and christs) ruling in the Holy Temple (2nd Thess 2). Where do you find them at? Obviously, God did not talk about the physical city in 70AD nor in the future with a physical third temple.

What seems "obviously" to you, is and has been a subject of continuous debate among scholars.

 

[Lost4words]

Jesus was the 3rd Temple. Destroyed but rose again on the 3rd day.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Jesus was the 3rd Temple. Destroyed but rose again on the 3rd day.

Oh. That genius. Stick to the facts.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Luke 21:20-21

• "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
• Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it Depart Out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

The real question is what Jerusalem did God talked about here? Jerusalem is a holy city on this side of the cross which is....? This is where the man of sin (false prophets and christs) ruling in the Holy Temple (2nd Thess 2). Where do you find them at? Obviously, God did not talk about the physical city in 70AD nor in the future with a physical third temple.

Jesus made two warnings one you quoted which in 70 Ad the Christians in Jerusalem fled and were saved because they understood that the question raised was about the destruction of the temple, the 2nd coming and the end of the age. The signs Jesus gave in the Olivet discourse 1st are the surrounding of Jerusalem to flee. 2nd when you see the abomination of desolation as Daniel spoke of then let those in Judea flee... These are two separate events. The 1st referring to the time the temple was destroyed as Jesus had predicted. The 2nd to the time of his coming that is the abomination of desolation. The evidence that this is true is Israel is prepared to resume the daily sacrifices again when global leadership enforces a treaty to divide Jerusalem and will provide the return of the temple. This is lining up as we speak so the historical fulfilled idea is greatly challenged by current events.

 

[Lost4words]

Oh. That genius. Stick to the facts.

Truth. Facts can sometimes get tangled up and misconstrued

 

[disciple Clint]

Oh. That genius. Stick to the facts.

who is "That genius"

 

[Marilyn C]

Paul referred to it as "The temple of God".

How does this building qualify?

Hi parousia,

This building qualifies for it is a temple built by Israel in Jerusalem, but NOT on the sacred site. If it was on the site of Solomon`s Temple then the Greek word `Hieron` would have been used. The Apostle Paul used the word `Naos` to indicate that this place where the anti-Christ sets up his abomination, is built elsewhere.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

My wife and I went into the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. She had to go into the women's area and I into the main room. The Rabbi was reading from a scroll in Hebrew and when he finished it was rolled up and placed back in the rack with great ceremony.
In Jacob Damkani's book; Why Me? he said that the Jews take no cognizance of the scriptures, they read them and that's it.
In no way is that building the Temple, the Jews never say it is and it's design is not how the Temple should be.

Hi keras,

Very interesting that you visited that synagogue. Now all the Apostle Paul says is that the place where the anti-Christ sets up his abomination is a `naos` a place, meaning elsewhere and NOT where Solomon`s temple was. Jesus always referred to the sacred Temple as `Hieron.`

Marilyn.

 

[BABerean2]

Has anyone told the Jews that they are praying in the wrong place?

The recent book "Temple" by Bob Cornuke contains details from leading Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron which reveal that the area known as "The Wailing Wall" cannot be a part of Herod's temple.

https://www.amazon.com/Temple-Revis...8417062&sr=1-1&keywords=Temple+Robert+Cornuke


Eli is the man who re-discoverd the Pool of Siloam.
He is a respected archeologist in Israel.

There are many now who know the truth.

However, there is a great deal of politics involved in this issue within modern Israel.

The only thing more powerful than scripture is tradition.

Each years thousands of Christians take a tour of Saint Catherine's Monastery and are told that they are at Mount Sinai.
However, based on Exodus 3:1, and Exodus 3:12, the mountain of God is in Midian.
Mose's father-in-law was a priest of Midian.
Based on Galatians 4:25, Mount Sinai is in Arabia.
Midian is on the west coast of modern Saudi Arabia, and lies to the east of the Red Sea.

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[mkgal1]

I do that because that is what is plainly prophesied to happen. Ezekiel 40-48 is all about the time before Jesus Returns, when all the faithful Christians will occupy all of the holy Land.

Who are you to say what God requires of us?
He wanted offerings and sacrifices before and remember He does not change. Malachi 3:6

You're ignoring the context and timeline. Ezekiel is prophesying of Jesus' advent (not His return). Ezekiel was written prior to the building of Harod's temple - and prior to the life of Jesus.

Edit: in reading more, I now think Ezekiel's vision was what could have been for the second temple had they followed the instructions (including the instruction for repentance).

And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple” (Ezek. 43:10–11).​

 

[RACarvalho]

The only reason you need a physical third temple is because of the Futurism lie.
in 1590 Jesuits came up with Futurism, preaching that antichrist would show up in a 7 year tribulation in the future where everything from Revelation 4 onwards will happen during that week. That came from a twist of Daniel 9:27.
Daniel 9:27 (all Daniel 9 in fact) refers to Messiah but the Jesuits invert that stating that the word "Prince" there refers to the antichrist .
Now, if the antichrist is not the papacy but a single person, he will have to seat in the temple and proclaim to be God (2 Tess. 2:4) so a third physical temple is needed.
That interpretation completely ignore that:
1 - "Prince" in Daniel 9:27 is about the Messiah, and not the antichrist, in verse 25 the word "prince" is clearly stated to be the Messiah.
2 - "Temple" in 2 Tess. 2:4 is the greek word Naos (3485), meaning Sanctuary and refers to the spiritual sanctuary and not the physical building for what the word Hierou (2411 - Matthew 24:1) is used.
3 - History show us that the popery sat at the temple of God (believers started to worship the pope) and the pope proclaimed to be God on earth.
The reason Jesuits came up with that is because Protestants where showing in the history and the bible that the papacy is the antichrist foretold.
We already have 1500 years of prophecy fulfilled in history prove to us the papacy is the foretold antichrist and Futurism is a lie set to destroy the Church witnessing.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Temple is necessary for the antichrist/ man of sin to be revealed

If I may, why would a Christian usher in the anti-Christ and lead 1/3 of the Jews to their death? If God has this plan, which I do not think He does, why would he need help and where in scripture did Jesus give a mandate to deceive the Jewish people rather than lead them to the truth? These are the questions Futurists need to not only answer but need to confirm that this is the Will of the Father.
Blessings

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Everything?

Who are the Priests with the demonstrable Levitical lineage?

How did they demonstrate that lineage?

Do they (or you) know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezra 2:63)??
They are biblically necessary to discern priestly genealogy of purported Jews who lost their familial records after being scattered (which would be every and any purported Jew alive today)

So, someone who already has proven priestly genealogy (which would be no one today) needs to find them and consult with them before any Temple rituals can take place, according to the Law...

Now, since Modern Jews don't follow the Law (which Biblically makes them uncircumcised heathen in Gods eyes according to scripture) they probably don't much care.

In zech 12 we see this

The only reason you need a physical third temple is because of the Futurism lie.
in 1590 Jesuits came up with Futurism, preaching that antichrist would show up in a 7 year tribulation in the future where everything from Revelation 4 onwards will happen during that week. That came from a twist of Daniel 9:27.
Daniel 9:27 (all Daniel 9 in fact) refers to Messiah but the Jesuits invert that stating that the word "Prince" there refers to the antichrist .
Now, if the antichrist is not the papacy but a single person, he will have to seat in the temple and proclaim to be God (2 Tess. 2:4) so a third physical temple is needed.
That interpretation completely ignore that:
1 - "Prince" in Daniel 9:27 is about the Messiah, and not the antichrist, in verse 25 the word "prince" is clearly stated to be the Messiah.
2 - "Temple" in 2 Tess. 2:4 is the greek word Naos (3485), meaning Sanctuary and refers to the spiritual sanctuary and not the physical building for what the word Hierou (2411 - Matthew 24:1) is used.
3 - History show us that the popery sat at the temple of God (believers started to worship the pope) and the pope proclaimed to be God on earth.
The reason Jesuits came up with that is because Protestants where showing in the history and the bible that the papacy is the antichrist foretold.
We already have 1500 years of prophecy fulfilled in history prove to us the papacy is the foretold antichrist and Futurism is a lie set to destroy the Church witnessing.

Not sure about your Jesuit creating a futurist point of view as they Catholic Church calls the belief in the future millennium a heresy. The belief that these things are coming in an established timeline is derived from a literal reading of the texts and comparing them to come up with a timeline. No matter who and when it was 1st presented the case for it is based on the texts and not the who and when. There are many in the early church who held these views and many who opposed. this discussion has been going on a long time.

 

[parousia70]

LOL. So the Jews don't know where their temple is supposed to be. I may be laughing all night on that malarkey.

They don't even know who they themselves are!
They HAVE NO IDEA What tribe they are from, who is a descendant of Jacob and who isnt, who is descended from gentile converts and who isnt... they HAVE NO CLUE.

Of course they don't know where their own temple is supposed to be.
It would be Malarky to insist they do.

They don't even know their own tribe.

 

[parousia70]

Hi parousia,

This building qualifies for it is a temple built by Israel in Jerusalem, but NOT on the sacred site. If it was on the site of Solomon`s Temple then the Greek word `Hieron` would have been used. The Apostle Paul used the word `Naos` to indicate that this place where the anti-Christ sets up his abomination, is built elsewhere.

Marilyn.

But How is it GOD's temple?

How is the Dome of the Rock NOT God's Temple?
Why wouldn't the the Dome qualify?