People with extreme anti-science views know the least...

[Sound Doctrine]

Atheists, you can't ridicule me about my faith beyond that which I have already heard and read. The following is the atheist according to the Lord:

2 Timothy 3:1-9 - "1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

Your pseudo intellectualism is spelled out perfectly in these verses. Stay in this forum that the Holy Spirit of God may convict you of your sin, or leave. But if you leave it is back into utter darkness laden with your sins. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Although you have claimed that geological dating is 'not science', it is a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

How can you prove this? Science demands proof!

 

[essentialsaltes]

How can you prove this? Science demands proof!

Literal proof is for mathematics, but we have strong enough evidence from radiometric tests that it is simply a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Literal proof is for mathematics, but we have strong enough evidence from radiometric tests that it is simply a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

Many things such as the age of geological formations for example, are not science, in that such formations cannot be dated by any known means. Such attempts at dating using scientific equipment, which are employed in scientific method show that the radiometric dating systems, do not agree with each other, proving that dating the age of rock is non scientific. That the different radiometric dating types give differing results is fact. The results can be millions or even billions of years apart for the same rock formations, studies performed in the same labs by the same unbiased people.

 

[durangodawood]

Waste of time discussing with people who've pre-decided that their theological and ideological commitments will trump all material evidence.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yeah, you said that before. The different methods do not always give different dates. In fact, they often align quite nicely.

Once again it's worth going over our previous discussion of trends. Despite some outliers, which may or may not have explanations based on the particular methods used, we can certainly generalize the results of radiometric dating to determine that it is quite reliable.

 

[pitabread]

Many things such as the age of geological formations for example, are not science

Well, that's completely wrong. Though I guess it speaks directly to the study referred to in the OP.

 

[sjastro]

I notice they draw the obvious parallel with the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I like the John Cleese take on the D-K effect.

If you’re very, very stupid, how can you possibly realize that you’re very, very stupid? You’d have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you are.”

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Atheists, you can't ridicule me about my faith beyond that which I have already heard and read. The following is the atheist according to the Lord:

2 Timothy 3:1-9 - "1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was."

Your pseudo intellectualism is spelled out perfectly in these verses. Stay in this forum that the Holy Spirit of God may convict you of your sin, or leave. But if you leave it is back into utter darkness laden with your sins. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23.

So, rather than address the arguments in a civil manner, you prefer direct and quoted ad-hominem insults and empty threats... got it.

Is this the Christian way?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

that's just it, the "consensus".....

Ptolemy's followers were also moderate and had a view consistent with the scientific consensus.... Sadly every single one of them were wrong.....

Science is not a "consensus". When it becomes such, it is no longer really science, but fullfilling the expectations of the crowd.

Not a single scientific discovery we have ever had that turned into a viable discipline or theory, was due to the "consensus". in fact, every single science we have today overturned the then "consensus".... but how easily people forget that, in their zeal to be part of the "in crowd".....

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ptolemy's followers were also moderate and had a view consistent with the scientific consensus.... Sadly every single one of them were wrong.....

If you're referring to the Ptolomaic Model of the universe, it's true that it was wrong in terms of its underlying assumptions (geocentricity), just as Newtonian mechanics was wrong, and Einsteinian relativity probably is also. But like those models, it was also, for practical purposes, a 'correct' (though complicated) model, in that it accurately predicted the motions of celestial bodies within the observational limits of the following 1,000 years... That's an extraordinary achievement.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

So, rather than address the arguments in a civil manner, you prefer direct and quoted ad-hominem insults and empty threats... got it.

Is this the Christian way?

So, rather than address the arguments in a civil manner, you prefer direct and quoted ad-hominem insults and empty threats... got it.

Is this the Christian way?

So quoting Scripture which matches what I have run into here is uncivil? The Christian way is not through proud, arrogant behavior and high-mindedness. The following is the Christian way:

2 Timothy 3:12-17 - "12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

We are instructed to do what I do here:

2 Timothy 4:1-4 - "1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Such is what has happened to atheists, and I will fight atheism with the truth of the Scriptures and through the Lord of Salvation. While you laugh at me, God is laughing at you. The Father laughs at His enemies, for He knows whom are His own.

Psalm 59:1-8 - "6 They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. 7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear?

8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision."

 

[JackRT]

I have never seen/experienced such anti-reason in any other forum other than theology boards. It pains me to see the levels of irrationality and just disinterest in "unscriptural" evidence or realistic philosophy from posters here.

You are not the only one to have noticed this. It also seems to tie in with Denialists and conspiracy theorists.

 

[pitabread]

oh nevermind

 

[SkyWriting]

but think they know the most: study

The study involved genetically modified organisms, where there is little political bias to confuse the issue.

The more extreme the opposition, Fernbach and his co-authors found, the less people knew about the science and genetics, but the more their “self-assessed” knowledge — how much they thought they knew — increased.

“If somebody is well calibrated, those two things should be pretty highly correlated: If I know how much I know, then if I know a little I should say I know a little, and if I know a lot I should say I know a lot,” Fernbach explained. “Therefore there should be a high correlation between self-assessed and objective knowledge.

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

However, as people become more extreme, that relationship degrades and flips so that people who think they know more actually know less.

Oh, that's just like Atheists, Agnostics and Jesus!

 

[Dale]

I disagree with the author. Some geniuses have made important scientific discoveries that went completely against "scientific" consensus, yet are scientifically proven to be true. Many scientists produce science that the Bible warns us is false, as in "science falsely so-called."

Take the politically biased and unscrupulous claims by many in "science" that claim the earth's atmosphere has warmed due to increasing man-made (AGW) CO2. To start with, Dr. James Hansen, former chief scientist at NASA claimed this to be the case based totally on pushing a global crisis agenda, creating a crisis that does not really exist. His report gives the formula for calculating global temperature changes. In that calculation is a calculation of the earth's albedo. The albedo changes as the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere changes, due to natural cycles. Hansen made the variable albedo a fixed constant of some number that allows for gradual increases in atmospheric warming, then blames this on CO2.

First of all, the albedo, like the water vapor, is variable. Second, water vapor is by far the most impressive greenhouse gas. Third, CO2 only makes up 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, and if it were to increase by 100% would still not affect global temperature because it is such a tiny fraction of the atmosphere to begin with. Further, because of such infinitesimal quantities and such a short time of satellite studies, which are the only accurate way to measure the earth's changing environment, it is virtually impossible for "scientists" to evaluate whether changes are caused by man or not.

Hansen's report was never peer-reviewed and was shown to world leaders who received it with the idea that this would justify creating an invented AGW crisis. All scientific papers and reports are supposed to be peer-reviewed, Hansen's wasn't. It was garbage. The earth's atmosphere is warm now because it is natural for it to be, but it is cooling, again due to natural cycles of ocean temperature changes. The ocean temperatures drive the atmosphere. So why the AGW hoax?

Politics - the UN in its Agenda 21 are trying to remove current national borders and constitutions, to be replaced with their own. Everyone is supposed to think globally, not what is best for their country. The result is a New World Order, which George H.W. Bush kept talking about and touting. Create global crises and globally respond to them, nationalism be damned. That is their approach. Work off the emotions of the population, not with real science.

Science in its true form is man's way of trying to understand God's creation. It is false science to leave God out of the equation. The Bible (something you as an atheist don't believe in) says to beware of carefully contrived fables and science falsely so-called. This does not condemn all science, just that which is false. That which is false is that which tries to explain away God. But you see, no matter how hard you try, you can't.

You claims about climate change are complete nonsense.

I am a chemist by profession, and here is what you need to know about CO2 in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is O=C=O or Oxygen double-bond Carbon double-bond Oxygen. The carbon=oxygen double bond absorbs infrared rays at a wavelength crucial to the earth's climate. Chemists and physicists have known that since the late 19th century. Machines are in use every day that make use of the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared.

The net result is that instead of earth radiating heat into space at night, it gets trapped, raising the average temperature of earth's atmosphere.

There is no doubt that this is having an effect. The National Audubon Society has reported that all species of birds that migrate are moving their ranges north. They don't go as far south as they used to. The birds think it's too hot down south. The problem is that in many cases, there is no place for them to go.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Oh, that's just like Atheists, Agnostics and Jesus!

Not really. It would be interesting to see the analogue of the self-assessed knowledge as opposed to the objective knowledge tested by Pew.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

You claims about climate change are complete nonsense.

I am a chemist by profession, and here is what you need to know about CO2 in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is O=C=O or Oxygen double-bond Carbon double-bond Oxygen. The carbon=oxygen double bond absorbs infrared rays at a wavelength crucial to the earth's climate. Chemists and physicists have known that since the late 19th century. Machines are in use every day that make use of the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared.

The net result is that instead of earth radiating heat into space at night, it gets trapped, raising the average temperature of earth's atmosphere.

There is no doubt that this is having an effect. The National Audubon Society has reported that all species of birds that migrate are moving their ranges north. They don't go as far south as they used to. The birds think it's too hot down south. The problem is that in many cases, there is no place for them to go.

Great Mr. Chemist. Now try studying the reflectance of water vapor. (That's H2O, right?) Do you know what an albedo is? Have you never noticed clear nights when it is calm and the temperature drops, then it suddenly stops dropping because of cloud cover moving in (not because it is morning)? Hansen fudged the doggone formula. Doesn't that send you any alarms about this AGW hoax? Forget it. You know what? Just forget it.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

One thing more. God does not need salesmen. The Bible tells us that He has chosen His children from the foundation of the world. This is know as predestination/election. Our will is to not seek after God, there is none righteous, no, not one. It is God who chose His own and caused us to approach unto Him. Psalm 65:4a - "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest and causest to approach unto thee..." We who are born again are born not by blood, nor the by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but of God." We Christians are born of God. I preach the word... I can't "sell" anything. Atheists are no more in control of this than I was. Think on this: You are not born again... yet.... but in the future?....... only God knows.

 

[Go Braves]

but think they know the most: study

The study involved genetically modified organisms, where there is little political bias to confuse the issue.

The more extreme the opposition, Fernbach and his co-authors found, the less people knew about the science and genetics, but the more their “self-assessed” knowledge — how much they thought they knew — increased.

“If somebody is well calibrated, those two things should be pretty highly correlated: If I know how much I know, then if I know a little I should say I know a little, and if I know a lot I should say I know a lot,” Fernbach explained. “Therefore there should be a high correlation between self-assessed and objective knowledge.

“And indeed, that’s actually true for the people who are moderate, or people who have the attitude that is consistent with the scientific consensus,” he said.

However, as people become more extreme, that relationship degrades and flips so that people who think they know more actually know less.

Not a surprise. Another example. The most ignorant posts I've ever seen about vaccinations are from folks with the haughtiest attitudes. Just full as heck of themselves. They're the type who are music majors at colleges that accept everybody who applies but certain they know better than doctors who've been practicing for decades & specialists on account of "doing their research" by watching Vaxxed. Insufferable. Betting these folks are also the ban GMO types.