No Compromise at the Border.

[OldWiseGuy]

So, in other words, you still can't provide an example something I am misunderstanding. Why am I not surprised?

Get your SS statement and do the math yourself. In a few short years you'll recover all you've (personally) put in plus interest. The rest is gravy. You'll be amazed at how little you have actually contributed compared to what you will receive in benefits. Greatest program ever.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

You do realize that we are in this mess because of the "experts", don't you?

No, I didn't. But that's a standard line from Conservatives. I've watched the last 30 years as conservatives have pedaled this pablum about how expertise is "elitist" and not as good as common horse sense. That's usually because people who only have "horse sense" don't really understand the issues any better than a horse would.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I didn't. But that's a standard line from Conservatives. I've watched the last 30 years as conservatives have pedaled this pablum about how expertise is "elitist" and not as good as common horse sense. That's usually because people who only have "horse sense" don't really understand the issues any better than a horse would.

The world is run by experts.
The world is a mess.
...Therefore????

 

[GlabrousDory4]

The world is run by experts.
The world is a mess.
...Therefore????

Insufficient time to dismantle the fractally poor logic in this syllogism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Insufficient time to dismantle the fractally poor logic in this syllogism.

You cannot deny or debunk my extensive personal experiences.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I didn't. But that's a standard line from Conservatives. I've watched the last 30 years as conservatives have pedaled this pablum about how expertise is "elitist" and not as good as common horse sense. That's usually because people who only have "horse sense" don't really understand the issues any better than a horse would.

I am an elitist (a snob really).

One problem with experts is that they so often have a hard time agreeing with each other. If you laid all the experts end to end, they still wouldn't reach a 'conclusion'.

If you had been around these discussions you would have come across my past posts concerning the "experts" who spend millions of taxpayer dollars in their "attempts" to clean up our smelly, polluted lakes. You guessed it. The lakes are no cleaner, but the experts are certainly richer. They have many such scams going in our society.

But to the current discussion. If some "experts" say that walls/barriers don't work, why do other "experts" say that they will.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

You cannot deny or debunk my extensive personal experiences.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't impress me. I used to make my living doing designed experiments and processing data using statistics.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

I am an elitist (a snob really).

One problem with experts is that they so often have a hard time agreeing with each other. If you laid all the experts end to end, they still wouldn't reach a 'conclusion'.

Ummm, yeah sure. Whatever you say.

If you had been around these discussions you would have come across my past posts concerning the "experts" who spend millions of taxpayer dollars in their "attempts" to clean up our smelly, polluted lakes. You guessed it. The lakes are no cleaner, but the experts are certainly richer. They have many such scams going in our society.

-sigh-. Got it.

But to the current discussion. If some "experts" say that walls/barriers don't work, why do other "experts" say that they will.

I've not heard anyone say that a wall will stop drugs that normally come in through the doors. Do you know of any?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I've not heard anyone say that a wall will stop drugs that normally come in through the doors. Do you know of any?

Fifty pound bundles of pot don't usually come through the doors.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Fifty pound bundles of pot don't usually come through the doors.

"drug trafficking through a legal port of entry is how most illegal drugs make it into the US. And this kind of smuggling will be totally unaffected by a wall put in place to block illegal border crossings, showing that even the toughest border security measures may be next to worthless for dealing with illegal drugs."
Trump’s wall won’t do anything about the opioid epidemic

As for pot, well considering more than 30 states now have it legalized either medicinally or recreationally I'm guessing that isn't as big a threat these days. Just guessing, though. (I don't see a reason for a legal dispensary to be importing vast quantities using mules trekking through killing deserts...again, just guessing, I'm not that familiar with the world of drugs.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"drug trafficking through a legal port of entry is how most illegal drugs make it into the US. And this kind of smuggling will be totally unaffected by a wall put in place to block illegal border crossings, showing that even the toughest border security measures may be next to worthless for dealing with illegal drugs."
Trump’s wall won’t do anything about the opioid epidemic

As for pot, well considering more than 30 states now have it legalized either medicinally or recreationally I'm guessing that isn't as big a threat these days. Just guessing, though. (I don't see a reason for a legal dispensary to be importing vast quantities using mules trekking through killing deserts...again, just guessing, I'm not that familiar with the world of drugs.)

As long as the preferred method of illegal entry is breaching the border a fence will be needed. There is nothing on the horizon that will change that. The entry of illegal drugs is another issue.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

As long as the preferred method of illegal entry is breaching the border a fence will be needed.

Even if it comes mostly through the PORTS OF ENTRY that are in the wall?

That's like saying you are going to stop door-to-door salesmen by putting up a wall but leave a door in it.

There is nothing on the horizon that will change that. The entry of illegal drugs is another issue.

Are we supposed to hit the US Treasury up for $25billion to build a wall that won't have a significant impact on this problem?

Do you have any OTHER problems that the wall won't solve?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

As long as the preferred method of illegal entry is breaching the border a fence will be needed. There is nothing on the horizon that will change that. The entry of illegal drugs is another issue.

Tax and Spend Conservatives.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

As long as the preferred method of illegal entry is breaching the border a fence will be needed. There is nothing on the horizon that will change that. The entry of illegal drugs is another issue.

The preferred method of breaching the border nowadays is to cross legally with a visa and then let the visa expire.

By your logic, that means we don’t need the fence/wall anymore.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

The preferred method of breaching the border nowadays is to cross legally with a visa and then let the visa expire.

By your logic, that means we don’t need the fence/wall anymore.

But the Tax and Spend Conservatives want to blow up $25billion! We have to let them do this. It is what they want to do.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Anecdotal evidence doesn't impress me. I used to make my living doing designed experiments and processing data using statistics.

You should have been processing statistics using data.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The preferred method of breaching the border nowadays is to cross legally with a visa and then let the visa expire.

By your logic, that means we don’t need the fence/wall anymore.

Please read more carefully. I said the preferred method of illegally entering.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Are we supposed to hit the US Treasury up for $25billion to build a wall that won't have a significant impact on this problem?

The border guards (the only people in this mess that aren't politicized; read: have their heads up their you-know-what) want a barrier. Case closed.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Even if it comes mostly through the PORTS OF ENTRY that are in the wall?

Illegal entry doesn't come through the ports of entry.

 

[JosephZ]

The border guards (the only people in this mess that aren't politicized; read: have their heads up their you-know-what) want a barrier. Case closed.

Border Patrol agents and sector chiefs rarely requested a “wall.”

Less than one-half of 1 percent of the solutions Border Patrol agents and sector chiefs proposed for closing capability gaps along the southwest border in FY 2017 referenced a “wall.”

Border Security: Analysis of Vulnerabilities Identified by Frontline Agents