Struggling with IFB convictions

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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?
 

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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?

That has increasingly became a problem over the last 2 decades.

I grew up in an Independent Baptist church with a dear friend. Got out, got in the world. Years and years later, after rededicating my life, I returned to visit my former church. To my surprise, my friend was Pastor there.

He asked the church to stand up, hold up their KJV bibles, and recite after him, a pledge of allegiance to the KJV. Well, to say the least, I was shocked, to say the most, I refused.

I will say however, the KJV has served the church well for over 400 years, and, provided the Lord tarries, it will serve the church well for another 400 years. But "perfect"? No. Only? No.

I still use, study, teach, and preach from my KJ bible. But for serious study, I turn to the Greek.

Problem with the world today, they have took the word "Fundamental" to the extreme. A prime example of the is the Westboro Baptist group.

If it bothers you that much, look around for a church that does not hold to the radical view of KJVO.

I can say there are a number of God-fearing Baptist churches that don't hold such a radical viewpoint.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?
If you disagree with them on this, they will call you unsaved. According to the IFB, more specifically, the new-IFB, anybody who doesn't use the KJV is not able to be saved because they are not reading the true word of God. Obviously, that's not even a biblical concept.

One can have convictions about the accuracy of the KJV and the authority of it, like myself, who will only ever use the KJV and advocate for it's accuracy, both in the grammar and manuscripts it is descended and translated from; but to go so far as to say that someone isn't saved or a sanctified Christian because they read another version is zeal that is not according to knowledge.

IFB churches are great for spreading the gospel, for doctrinal teaching, for all-around zeal for a Christian to grow and mature in; however, their attitude of being the only correct denomination and the most biblical church is indeed an attitude of self-righteousness, which causes most of their members to be puffed up foolishly. Now, this is a generalization of what I've noticed amongst IFB churches, this is of course not the case for everyone of them.

I love the fact that they love soul-winning. I love the fact that they love proper doctrine. I love the fact that they are usually always close-knit, familiar communities who are actively apart of each other's lives. I love the fact that they're so willing and zealous to stand up for the truth, and to preach against heresies and wickedness for the edification of the saints.

I hate the fact that they can easily be jerks. I hate the fact that they feel they have the authority to condemn anyone who disagrees with them to hell. I hate the fact that they rail on the brethren, and others. I hate the fact that they make themselves the doctrinal authorities for all matters, as if their interpretations are best. Of course, I myself have been found to be guilty of these things before, I try to repent from them as much as possible.

There is one Lord and Christ, and one gospel that is the power of God unto salvation; I find that if I preach that faithfully, everything else falls into place. The other stuff can easily come of evil.

If I were you, I would be honest and open about how you feel. There is no reason to act against your conscience if you are indeed following Christ in faith. They may condemn you for it. They may hate you for it, but stand up for what you believe in; it's what those people respect.
 
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Thank you for your advice, I do love the church as well for those reason listed above and would hate to leave it. I do see God at work through them. I just wish people would be more willing to look more diligently past their traditions and do some research into the manuscripts and Greek and what that has to do with the versions people use. I do plan to have some more conversations about the topic. I hope it doesn't come down to me having to move churches.

The argument I have come across thus far is that new the versions words are different than the KJV therefore you have changed the word of God because KJV is the standard. However, KJV used today is not the original KJV the 1611 edition was revised and the Apocrypha removed and some editing done. Plus it is not an original but rather a translation in the first place, based on that argument we should all learn greek, Hebrew and aramic to keep it original.

If it is a manuscript corruption that is the issue, the NKJV was translated from the same Manuscripts therefore just as valid a translation. The only reason it's wording is more modern is because people simply do not speak the way they did 400 years ago.

Trying to show this to people seems almost pointless, but before I do move churches I will pray and see what happens when I bring it up.
 
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Thank you for your advice, I do love the church as well for those reason listed above and would hate to leave it. I do see God at work through them. I just wish people would be more willing to look more diligently past their traditions and do some research into the manuscripts and Greek and what that has to do with the versions people use. I do plan to have some more conversations about the topic. I hope it doesn't come down to me having to move churches.

The argument I have come across thus far is that new the versions words are different than the KJV therefore you have changed the word of God because KJV is the standard. However, KJV used today is not the original KJV the 1611 edition was revised and the Apocrypha removed and some editing done. Plus it is not an original but rather a translation in the first place, based on that argument we should all learn greek, Hebrew and aramic to keep it original.

If it is a manuscript corruption that is the issue, the NKJV was translated from the same Manuscripts therefore just as valid a translation. The only reason it's wording is more modern is because people simply do not speak the way they did 400 years ago.

Trying to show this to people seems almost pointless, but before I do move churches I will pray and see what happens when I bring it up.
I recommend talking to their pastor or a deacon; the reason being because if you talk to a lay church member about it, they will think immediately that you are in the church trying to stir up strife and contention amongst the brethren, and spread heresy. They will kick you out in 30 seconds for that if you're in one of the more hard-core IFB churches.

So, out of respect for the church and the members, and to respect the Lord and the Bible, speak to someone in leadership about your conviction; if they choose not to listen or immediately start condemning you, it might not be the place for you.

I disagree with you completely about the KJV, but that's not what this thread is about, so on that, we will agree to disagree.
 
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I disagree with you completely about the KJV, but that's not what this thread is about, so on that, we will agree to disagree.

I will speak to our pastor just see where they stand on it.

I am trying to learn and do research though on why people believe what they do in regards to KJV so if you don't mind explaining your reasoning behind your beliefs on KJV I would like to hear it.

Thank you
 
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I will speak to our pastor just see where they stand on it.

I am trying to learn and do research though on why people believe what they do in regards to KJV so if you don't mind explaining your reasoning behind your beliefs on KJV I would like to hear it.

Thank you
If you wish for me to, I will in a PM, just so that this thread doesn't get derailed by those who would seek to argue against my claim. Not that I mind people disagreeing with me, though.

Just shoot me a PM whenever you would like my reasoning.
 
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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?

A little leaven leavens the whole lump. It seems to me that you are seeing some of it.
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I won't go to KJV only churches because that to me is unbiblical.. the only authentic manuscripts are in the languages they were written in however, we can learn a lot from Jesus and the Apostles as He and they quoted from the Hebrew, Greek and the Aramaic texts; whatever best fit the meaning of whatever scriptural revelation to which He or they were referring.

As far as the KJV goes, it's 90-95% copied from the Geneva Bible. It's best as a general rule, to read from a translation that people today (yourself) can actually understand. Meaning is what is important, and as KJ English is no longer spoken so the Elizabethan language is being butchered and the Bible not understood by the very people trying to uphold it as the only true Bible.
 
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I am in a kjvo church now for the last 3 years...I prefery kjv...see versions I believe are worse than others...because there are some authors thoughts on what scripture says to him...
Also some versions take out the blood...and only begotten which I think are important



About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?
 
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It is very hard to find a church you agree with every single thing on..just have to decide what's important

QUOTE="Cm1989, post: 73145809, member: 412857"]Thank you for your advice, I do love the church as well for those reason listed above and would hate to leave it. I do see God at work through them. I just wish people would be more willing to look more diligently past their traditions and do some research into the manuscripts and Greek and what that has to do with the versions people use. I do plan to have some more conversations about the topic. I hope it doesn't come down to me having to move churches.

The argument I have come across thus far is that new the versions words are different than the KJV therefore you have changed the word of God because KJV is the standard. However, KJV used today is not the original KJV the 1611 edition was revised and the Apocrypha removed and some editing done. Plus it is not an original but rather a translation in the first place, based on that argument we should all learn greek, Hebrew and aramic to keep it original.

If it is a manuscript corruption that is the issue, the NKJV was translated from the same Manuscripts therefore just as valid a translation. The only reason it's wording is more modern is because people simply do not speak the way they did 400 years ago.

Trying to show this to people seems almost pointless, but before I do move churches I will pray and see what happens when I bring it up.[/QUOTE]
 
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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?

I saw a video on Twitter where an Andrew Sluder(I believe that is his name and he's neck deep in the KJVO and IFB movements) said that if a church preaches from the Greek and not the KJV, you need to run from that church. Its this kind of stupidity that irks me about the KJVO movement. They honestly believe the KJV corrects the Greek.

These guys couldn't blow their noses if you packed their heads full of dynamite. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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I saw a video on Twitter where an Andrew Sluder(I believe that is his name and he's neck deep in the KJVO and IFB movements) said that if a church preaches from the Greek and not the KJV, you need to run from that church. Its this kind of stupidity that irks me about the KJVO movement. They honestly believe the KJV corrects the Greek.

These guys couldn't blow their noses if you packed their heads full of dynamite. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Sluder’s a fool. To say that every King James onlyist believes as he does is a generalization, and is foolishness.
 
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About 2 years ago I moved churches from non-denominational to Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Which I didn't know much about or understand at the time other than that they were more conservatively dressed and use KJV only. I do love the church but what I am struggling with is the KJV only part now. I am very involved now in ministry and what I see is a lot of self righteous attitude of we are using the only right version and everyone else that doesn't is wrong and in sin for using a corrupt version. Now I can respect that KJV is your preferred version I also like it, but to say that it is the ONLY correct and PERFECT version which is not true in regards to some grammar errors and the like but never the less a good version is difficult for me to deal with. I love this church and don't want to hold a bad attitude with them but I disagree with the KJV only idea and how the attitude towards other believers that come with it. Has anyone else come across and learned to deal with it in a lovingly manner without having to move churches?
Don't struggle...just let go.

Yours in the Lord,

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Thank you for your advice, I do love the church as well for those reason listed above and would hate to leave it. I do see God at work through them. I just wish people would be more willing to look more diligently past their traditions and do some research into the manuscripts and Greek and what that has to do with the versions people use. I do plan to have some more conversations about the topic. I hope it doesn't come down to me having to move churches.

The argument I have come across thus far is that new the versions words are different than the KJV therefore you have changed the word of God because KJV is the standard. However, KJV used today is not the original KJV the 1611 edition was revised and the Apocrypha removed and some editing done. Plus it is not an original but rather a translation in the first place, based on that argument we should all learn greek, Hebrew and aramic to keep it original.

If it is a manuscript corruption that is the issue, the NKJV was translated from the same Manuscripts therefore just as valid a translation. The only reason it's wording is more modern is because people simply do not speak the way they did 400 years ago.

Trying to show this to people seems almost pointless, but before I do move churches I will pray and see what happens when I bring it up.
What most people consider the KJV is actually the 1679 version, it was so proliferated in Europe and the United States it became like a standard. The Strong's Concordance and even modern commentaries use the Strong's numbers that are keyed to the KJV. I remember when the NIV was still relatively new, I found an interlinear that had the KJV, NIV and the original Greek New Testament. I loved it and still like to compare various other translations, I know of a number of hard to translate passages and like to see how the different translations handle them. My wife's family were in a Baptist church that was well known for it's evangelism, several seed churches had grown out of that ministry. I was constantly hearing, why do you need all those translations. I had the interlinear and a revised standard, not an extensive collection. Explanations were impossible, the arguments continually when in circles, they had no concept that the canon of Scripture was in the original. They didn't believe me when I said the Revised Standard wasn't that different from the KJV. I tired of that and a lot of the things that went on in that church and really had few opportunities to fellowship with them. We attended a while and I lost interest, the church was somehow disbanded over some controversy regarding the new Pastor.

I've never gotten the KJV only thing, I am a KJV primary since I have always liked the New King James by Zondervan. If it's an exegetical study it has to be the KJV, that's the only way I know to get me to a lexicon definition. Just as there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the manuscripts there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the translations. I thought the Jerusalem Bible was kind of odd, I'm still not sure why their wording is so obscure, I could say the same for the RSV. I like the NIV for most of the OT because it's much clearer but the Psalms don't sound right to me in other translations, the KJV is just better.

If your running into problems like this your going to run into others. If it's not bothering you that much, I would say bring a KJV with you to church and if no one brings it up don't worry about it.
 
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Thanks all for the comments. I did bring these things up, but as many said discussions are fruitless.

I did move churches for many reasons not just KJV only b/c I can respect a conviction. In the end distance and location to family moved me to a closer church in my community. Loving it so far they are not KJV only, and are a bigger church. I knew people already attending there so it worked out perfect.
 
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