Canadian SC: Christian law school can't forbid students from gay sex

[Shiloh Raven]

That’s horrible. And happens far too often.

My father is bisexual and has tried to “pray away the gay” for 50 years. He was a minister for most of his life and is still a very devout Christian. He gave his life to god and ministering to others, yet stayed in the closet until he was “found out” because there was no way to come out to his “brothers and sisters in Christ” without being ridiculed, shamed, and shunned. Yet he tried EVERYTHING to get rid of his attraction for men. He has finally accepted it and found a church that accepts him.

I'm happy that your dad found peace with himself and he was fortunate enough to find Christians who would not shun him and condemn him. I'm sorry he had to hide in the closet for that many years.

 

[Sparagmos]

It's not against the rules to say you will know them by their fruits.
And that works both ways.
Good fruit = good tree
Bad fruit = bad tree.
By the way, i self identify as a duck.
Do you think i'm a duck?

The problem is, people can then do the same for bigots today who identify as Christians, right here on CF.

 

[essentialsaltes]

But the self identifying Christians were not?

Someone who self identifies as Hindu who marks Christian on the census is lying. Someone who self identifies as Christian who marks Christian on the census is sincere. This is not complicated.

I think many Christian Germans were fooled into following it.

Possibly, but being tricked into joining a political party does not suddenly make you non-Christian.

However, this should serve as an object lesson to other Christians who consider joining a nationalist party headed by a populist with an ambivalent connection to Christianity. It's possible they are being fooled.

I'm glad we at least agree that Uncle Bob's original statement (that spurred me to post the image) "Christians don't side with ... Nazi brownshirts." was false.

 

[Sparagmos]

No, you're just a liar. I don't believe 95% of the Germans were lying on their census forms.

Nor was their Christianity much different from American Christianity, as far as I know. “The White Ribbon” is a good (albeit disturbing) film which considers the connection between authoritarian religion and the roots of nazism in Germany.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That is the very reason why Christian business owners shouldn't be allowed to use their biblical beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against gay couples and refuse them service in their PUBLIC business.

I knew a young Christian man a few years ago who took his own life because of how vicious and cruel his evangelical Christian family and fellow church members treated him after he came out.

I'm very happy that your dad found peace with himself and he was fortunate enough to find Christians who would not shun him and condemn him. I'm sorry he had to hide in the closet for that many years.

Interesting strategy...posing at someone who won't disagree.

But us Christians already know how mean we become to someone who pushes a damnable sin, as OK, and how unloving we are while Homosexuals are some of the most loving people on the planet and don't deserve the way they are treated.

Push a damnable sin, as just fine in the sight of God, or try to minimize it as no big deal in any way on a Christian website and people get just what they deserve. We don't fall for the "poor us, mean you" strategy nor any of the others for that matter....

You'll have to do better, no one buys it.

 

[Sparagmos]

I'm happy that your dad found peace with himself and he was fortunate enough to find Christians who would not shun him and condemn him. I'm sorry he had to hide in the closet for that many years.

Me too, thank you

 

[JackRT]

Then you are saying the term 'sodomy' did not come from the city that was clearly destroyed for the act of homosexuality because men sleeping with men isn't really homosexuality because it was an act of violence in Sodom? When in fact God calls all homosexuality an abomination?

You didn't manage to create quite enough confusion there to get that one by us.

Rape of any sort is an act of violence and has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation. It is the act of rape itself that is the abomination ---it has nothing to do with sexual orientation or of love.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The problem is, people can then do the same for bigots today who identify as Christians, right here on CF.

I have been a member of this site off and on for a few years now and I have my fair share of stories of what I have encountered and had to deal on this site with since the first time I joined.

 

[essentialsaltes]

When you stand in the middle of a golf course during a thunderstorm with upraised club, calling all clouds to salute it, do not be surprised at the kind of attention you can get.

If adultery was promoted like homosexuality/relations/marriage/affirmation has been and is, and even mild opposition strongly censored, then it also would become much the lightening road as an example of immorality.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but adultery has been decriminalized and normalized for decades. Maybe you should binge-watch some Desperate Housewives.

Or watch some Jim Bakker or Jimmy Swaggart. They waved their... um, golf clubs around quite freely and no lightning struck them. People continue to send them money.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Rape of any sort is an act of violence and has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation. It is the act of rape itself that is the abomination ---it has nothing to do with sexual orientation or of love.

You aren't paying attention....at all.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Me too, thank you

You're welcome. I've been an avid advocate for gay rights for over 25 years. One of my best friends from high school is gay and I have been right at her side many times when she faced cruel opposition from Christians. I've seen firsthand how some Christians treat homosexuals and I can't stand it.

 

[Sparagmos]

Interesting strategy...posing at someone who won't disagree.

But us Christians already know how mean we become to someone who pushes a damnable sin, as OK, and how unloving we are while Homosexuals are some of the most loving people on the planet and don't deserve the way they are treated.

Push a damnable sin, as just fine in the sight of God, or try to minimize it as no big deal in any way on a Christian website and people get just what they deserve. We don't fall for the "poor us, mean you" strategy nor any of the others for that matter....

You'll have to do better, no one buys it.

Posters who agree having a convo is a strategy? That’s a leap. I’m talking to the posters who disagree with me as well.

Nazis didn’t fall for that approach either.

Fortunately this kind of bigotry is shrinking rapidly. Churches see the writing on the wall too, and will come around in this issue just as they have on others.

 

[Sparagmos]

Hey, cool down a little, will you?
What's all this nonsense about how i treat gays and transgenders?
What makes you think you know how i treat them?
What's your problem?
Problems reading?
Maybe delusional?

I used to have a friend who was born a man, and who is now a woman.
Or at least, she was when i last saw her, years ago already.
Her initial bliss of being the new person wore off in a few years.
Increasingly depressed. I felt sorry for her.
And then i found out she was trans gender.
And then eventually we never saw her again...
Hope she's okay..

I stand by what I said.

 

[Sparagmos]

Because 1. they were strangers with no family, and thus were most likely to have been killed, and 2.,, he lived among them and understood that "know them" did not mean doing I.D. checks, and thus the substitute of virgin daughters was offered. See parallel story in Judges 19.

But we do not know if Lot would actually follow thru on his promise, for in his quite evident naivety, he made have hoped that the shock of this offer would show them how important his hospitality to these strangers was.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand your explanation at all. Offering up your virgin daughters to rapists for any reason whatsoever is unconscionable. As a parent, your job is to protect your children.

 

[Sparagmos]

But the self identifying Christians were not?

Well, we were discussing WWII nazi-ism.
I think many Christian Germans were fooled into following it.

Christianity and antisemitism - Wikipedia

Christianity and antisemetism practically go hand in hand...

 

[Kenny'sID]

Posters who agree having a convo is a strategy? That’s a leap. I’m talking to the posters who disagree with me as well.

Nazis didn’t fall for that approach either.

Fortunately this kind of bigotry is shrinking rapidly. Churches see the writing on the wall too, and will come around in this issue just as they have on others.

Posters who agree having a convo is a strategy? That’s a leap.

Of course not, and it's a leap because you just made all that up, to pretend it was my point...now THAT'S the stretch. The things you people will try when desperate tickles me no end.

I said what I saw, and still do, and no, we won't feel guilty for doing what we do here.

Yes, if you know anything at all about the bible some churches will "come around". Homosexuals will be given a reprobate mind, and churches will fall away from what they originally taught due to peer pressure because they were weak to begin, with.

Not sure how anyone can call that a good thing/a win? Seeing to it that a church "comes around" and makes an abomination to God a non sin and in turn seeing to it that millions believe them and end up in Hell along with a special hot place for themselves for teaching that rot.

Nope, not a win of any kind, and you keep trying but just don't expect some of us to make it easy.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Christianity and antisemitism - Wikipedia

Christianity and antisemetism practically go hand in hand...

I think that's truly ironic considering how many Christians I have heard insisting that Christians should support Israel because Jews are said to be God's chosen people. I've heard some Christians practically praise Israel and they defend the nation of Israel with a fierce passion too.

 

[Sparagmos]

1 school out of 4 in an entire area wanted to run its private Christian school according to their religious faith.

Three secular choices.

Yes, they are going after Christian institutions for no other reason than to interfere in the practice of (mainstream) Christianity.

Then give examples of accredited Christian colleges thst don’t have rules against gay sex that “they” are interfering with.

 

[Sparagmos]

Why bother answering when neither answer will ever be acceptable to you, making your question senseless.

You're just going to have to take my word for it, lol.

If you had an explanation, you would share it.

 

[Sparagmos]

WRONG: Jews as subhuman refers to what they racially are, not behavior they do. To be analogous, Nazis would have been forbidding bar mitzvahs. Confusing race with behavior is a confusion that is part of confusing make with female.

Hitler and other Nazis spoke at length about Jews’ “behavior.”

In the case of homosexuality, the behavior stems from who they are, how they were born, jyst as you were born heterosexual.