Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

[ToBeLoved]

Hebrews 12:14 says, ..."without holiness, no man shall see the Lord" is in reference or context to obedience. The first half of Hebrews 12:14 essentially says to make peace with all men (Which is a part of seeing God, too). So I believe strive to live holy is the same as striving to live obedient. But to just strive to live obedient in some people's minds does not mean that they MUST live obedient to be saved, though. Some think that just making the effort is what counts but one does not actually have to overcome grievous sin at some point in their life.

Everyone that receives Christ perfect righteousness through Christ justifying them is holy.

The Father sees our Advocate and Saviour Jesus Christ, rather than whatever degree towards holiness we have been able to manage.

So that verse supports justification and OSAS

 

[Introverted1293]

I do believe we have to strive to live holy, and yes confess our sins daily. But we can't say to ourselves, well, I can keep sinning and then confess them later. That will show that we don't really love God. Imagine if we had this kind of attitude towards our mothers or fathers who we can see. "Well, my mom will forgive me, so I can take 20 dollars out of her purse."

I now understand what Jesus meant when he said that "if you love me you will obey my commands." I think of my own parents. When they come over to my place, I try to serve them and when they need something and I have the means to give it to them, I give it to them out of love. So, basically our love will compel us to obey him strive to live holy lives.

I don't have this love to be perfectly honest. But my desire is to have that kind of love.

 

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Dr Prince's outline on basic repentance:

Repentance
2011
I. Introduction
A. John the Baptist, as forerunner for Jesus, prepared the way by teaching
repentance.
B. Jesus Himself could not be manifested as Messiah to Israel until the hearts of the people had been prepared by repentance.
1. Mark 1:15—The first demand actually made by Jesus was to repent.
2. Luke 13:1–5—Religion (offering sacrifices, etc.) is no substitute for
repentance.
3. Luke 24:46–47—After His resurrection, Jesus ordained that repentance and remission of sins should be preached to all nations.
4. Acts 2:37–38—On the day of Pentecost, the first demand made by Peter was
“Repent, and be baptized.”
5. Acts 20:20–21—Paul’s message likewise demanded repentance toward God
and faith toward Christ.
6. Is. 53:6—We all need to repent because we have all turned to our own way.
God calls this “iniquity” (rebellion). By repentance, we turn from our own
way and submit to God.
7. Luke 13:1–5—Jesus plainly sets forth the alternatives: “Repent” or “perish.”
8. Luke 15:11–32—The prodigal son is the perfect pattern of repentance: he
made a decision to turn back to his father, and he acted on it.
9. Lev. 4:1–4—The priest bringing his sin offering typifies true repentance.
a. Laying his hand on the bullock’s head = “Confession.”
b. Killing the bullock = “Repentance.”
c. By repentance you put your own sin to death.
10. Ps. 139:20–24—David asked God to show him any enemies of God that were
within his own heart. Then he took his stand against those enemies of God,
and declared that they were also David’s enemies.
a. This is true repentance. We must do the same.
b. The devil operates through his “fifth column.” Christians cannot be
defeated by attack from without. It is the secret areas of sin and rebellion
within our own hearts that provide a “fifth column” for the devil. Only
through these can we be defeated.
© 1973 — Derek Prince Ministries–International

He appears to teach obedience (in general) is repentance. My list on repentance shows that repentance is: "Asking God for the forgiveness of your sins by way of prayer." (Which is clearly and plainly explained with Scripture). Derek has many troubling beliefs that I will not mention here. You can simply Google them for yourself to see them, friend.

 

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Everyone that receives Christ perfect righteousness through Christ justifying them is holy.

The Father sees our Advocate and Saviour Jesus Christ, rather than whatever degree towards holiness we have been able to manage.

So that verse supports justification and OSAS

I think you missed my point I was trying to say.

Hebrews 12:14 says,
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord"

You also have to follow peace with all men.... without which no man shall see the Lord, too. Following peace with all men is a holy action. This is the context of "holiness" being used in this verse, too.

 

[Dave-W]

He appears to teach obedience (in general) is repentance.

Not exactly. THis is only an outline and I note he did NOT include the original text words.

NT: Metanoia meaning to change your mind.
OT: Teshuva meaning to physically turn around and go back

TO repent is to change one's mind and follow that up with a change in behavior. So obedience FOLLOWS repentance.

 

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I do believe we have to strive to live holy, and yes confess our sins daily. But we can't say to ourselves, well, I can keep sinning and then confess them later. That will show that we don't really love God. Imagine if we had this kind of attitude towards our mothers or fathers who we can see. "Well, my mom will forgive me, so I can take 20 dollars out of her purse."

I now understand what Jesus meant when he said that "if you love me you will obey my commands." I think of my own parents. When they come over to my place, I try to serve them and when they need something and I have the means to give it to them, I give it to them out of love. So, basically our love will compel us to obey him strive to live holy lives.

I don't have this love to be perfectly honest. But my desire is to have that kind of love.

Well said. I agree.

Oh, and you are going to Thanksgiving under an uncomfortable situation?
If so, then I am proud of you, brother.
Forgive, and love them with the love of Christ, brother.
Stay strong!

 

[ToBeLoved]

The first verse is the one verse that I presented as talking about how repentance is tied to salvation. Clearly perishing by not repenting is pretty clear that it is talking about salvation.

When a person comes to God, in need of salvation and a Savior they are repenting of their sin in their desire and need for God and a Savior.

However, your OP poll is dealing with continued repentance after justification and salvation.

So, I agree with Luke 13. I have no problem with it.

Luke 13:1-5
1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

What this verse does not show however that salvation or justification can be LOST without continual repentance after salvation and justification.

 

[ToBeLoved]

We also see Simon accept the gospel, but because of his sin in trying to buy the Spirit so as to have the gifts of the Spirit, he was told to repent by Peter in the hopes that God would forgive by way of prayer (See Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

This is not correct.

Simeon was a sorcerer and into divination. After Simeon witnessed the great miracles that the Apostles were doing, Simeon wanted that power to sell or use for his evil ways. He DID NOT believe the gospel.

He did ask that he not be hexed though by whatever power the Apostles had after they turned him down to give him the power of the Holy Spirit in exchange for money, so he could then perform miracles and make money himself.

Acts 8:14-24
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

 

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Not exactly. THis is only an outline and I note he did NOT include the original text words.

NT: Metanoia meaning to change your mind.
OT: Teshuva meaning to physically turn around and go back

TO repent is to change one's mind and follow that up with a change in behavior. So obedience FOLLOWS repentance.

Ah, the "change of mind" definition for repentance. Yeah, that does not really work in the Bible, either.

Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means to have a change of mind about sin. For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

How would we know if a brother had a "change of mind" whereby we would forgive him? The most logical conclusion is that the brother was asking us for forgiveness whereby we would then forgiven them. In Acts of the Apostles 8:22, Peter tells Simon to repent by way of a prayer to God and hope that God forgives him, too.

 

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This is not correct.

Simeon was a sorcerer and into divination. After Simeon witnessed the great miracles that the Apostles were doing, Simeon wanted that power to sell or use for his evil ways. He DID NOT believe the gospel.

He did ask that he not be hexed though by whatever power the Apostles had after they turned him down to give him the power of the Holy Spirit in exchange for money, so he could then perform miracles and make money himself.

Acts 8:14-24
14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

You say Simon did not believe. But the Bible says otherwise.

"Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip,..." (Acts of the Apostles 8:13).

 

[ToBeLoved]

I think you missed my point I was trying to say.

Hebrews 12:14 says,
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord"

You also have to follow peace with all men.... without which no man shall see the Lord, too. Following peace with all men is a holy action. This is the context of "holiness" being used in this verse, too.

Right. When we practice peace and strive to be holy that is in obedience to God.

But that does not show that salvation is lost without continued repentance.

 

[Dave-W]

Ah, the "change of mind" definition for repentance. Yeah, that does not really work in the Bible, either.

Exactly. That is why BOTH Ot and NT definitions must be used TOGETHER.

 

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Confessing Your sins or glamorizing Your wicked deeds and leading the weak into the pit of fire and brimstone? Or maybe that is where some of us christians should be today on the beach to the pit of fire and brimstone called the world, reaching out a lifeline to pull out some poor souls, instead of sitting in church.
Have You ever sat in a pew and listened to some criminal drugaddicts person that recently gotten saved by Jesus but somehow by some reason some in che church are bored by the sermons and hope this new person will give them some action. The newly saved person is enthusiastic about His or Her friends and want them to get saved too but some in the congregation seem to have an inner action movie going on in their brain while they listen to the newly saveds story about their life. It is as if they rather want to live their unsaved life with drugs and crime and unsafety than having their saved life. Then I wonder what went wrong? Maybe the lack of evangelization and being involved in the church somehow.

Surely confession of sins without forsaking sin is no good. I believe confessing or repenting of one's sins (i.e. asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins) is followed by forsaking sin and obeying God's commands in the New Testament. If we are not obeying, then we are showing that are repentance was not genuine.

 

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Right. When we practice peace and strive to be holy that is in obedience to God.

But that does not show that salvation is lost without continued repentance.

I don't think you can see what that verse is saying.
Hebrews 12:14 is teaching works of faith salvation after being saved by God's grace. Granted, this is the works of the Lord being done through the believer, so the believer would never take credit for this kind of work done in their life. But a believer needs to go through the Sanctification process (i.e. to live holy) to be saved in addition to God's saving grace.

Hebrews 12:14 says that we have to make peace with all men whereby we will not see the Lord. I am sure some OSAS folk out there who have changed this verse to mean that they will be in Heaven, but they will just not be able to see him like other Christians will be able to; But we both know that this is talking about not being with God in Heaven.

 

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Exactly. That is why BOTH Ot and NT definitions must be used TOGETHER.

Not sure why you say "exactly" as if to agree with me. Are you saying you believe "repentance" is asking God for forgiveness of sin now?

 

[ToBeLoved]

You say Simon did not believe. But the Bible says otherwise.

"Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip,..." (Acts of the Apostles 8:13).

That is true.

I looked it up on Biblehub.com and it appears when it came time for the Apostles to lay hands on the new converts that they noticed Simon's heart was wicked.

Elliot's Commentary seems to think that because Simon was a sorcerer and into divination that he may have had an evil spirit and when the apostles saw that would not lay hands on him for the Holy Spirit.

That's what I think anyway

Acts 8:18-24
18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

 

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How do you know you disagree unless you watch the video? Or read his outline?

It is not an either / or thing. Of course "perish" in that verse means an unsaved death.

But repentance has a lot more traction beyond initial salvation. Not everything is about salvation. Most of the NT is NOT about how to get saved; rather it is how to live AFTER you are saved.

You posted his beliefs here. I am aware of them. I don't need to watch the video. His beliefs in other things are ultra disturbing. So I am steering clear of him with a ten foot pole. Just Google his disturbing beliefs for yourself. Use key words that would help you to identify someone who does not teach correctly and you will see what I am talking about.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't think you can see what that verse is saying.
Hebrews 12:14 is teaching works of faith salvation after being saved by God's grace. Granted, this is the works of the Lord being done through the believer, so the believer would never take credit for this kind of work done in their life. But a believer needs to go through the Sanctification process (i.e. to live holy) to be saved in addition to God's saving grace.

Hebrews 12:14 says that we have to make peace with all men whereby we will not see the Lord. I am sure some OSAS folk out there who have changed this verse to mean that they will be in Heaven, but they will just not be able to see him like other Christians will be able to; But we both know that this is talking about not being with God in Heaven.

Hebrews 12:14 is talking about sanctification (our life long walk with God walking in the spirit until death), not justification (which is Jesus Christ giving us His righteousness or Christ DECLARING us righteous).

Two different things.

Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.

Whatever the term you use 'works of faith salvation', never heard of that in the Bible. What verses do you have for that. Sounds like a unbiblical offshoot of sanctification, but sanctification doesn't save.

 

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That is true.

I looked it up on Biblehub.com and it appears when it came time for the Apostles to lay hands on the new converts that they noticed Simon's heart was wicked.

Elliot's Commentary seems to think that because Simon was a sorcerer and into divination that he may have had an evil spirit and when the apostles saw that would not lay hands on him for the Holy Spirit.

That's what I think anyway

Acts 8:18-24
18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

It's possible that his heart might have been wicked to begin with and his belief was not genuine. But it could also have been genuine in the beginning and then later became wicked when he seen the power of God and wanted that power for the wrong reasons. He did after all try to buy the Spirit so as to obtain the gifts. This is when Peter said he was wicked and not before. Peter did not say that he never truly believed and his acceptance of God was a sham. He merely condemned his sin.

 

[Dave-W]

Not sure why you say "exactly" as if to agree with me.

I agree with what I quoted: that the simple "change the mind" definition is inadequate and not workable by itself.

Are you saying you believe "repentance" is asking God for forgiveness of sin now?

Asking forgiveness and repentance are 2 related but distinct things.

I may get angry and bash your face in for doing something stupid.

Later, I may ask your forgiveness (for you to not hold my violence against me) but reserve to myself the right to do it again if you do something I see as "stupid." That is asking forgiveness but without repentance.

OR - I may just make a vow to myself I need to change how I react to something that appears "stupid." And I even tell you I will never do that again. But I do not ask you to forgive me for what I already did. That is repentance without asking forgiveness.