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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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This is the church that meets on the first day of the week. Part of the true church, the whole flock.

Acts 20:5-7
These men went on ahead and waited for us at Troas. 6 But we sailed from Philippi after the Festival of Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days. 7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? All you have provided is a scripture saying that the disciples came together for a meal because Paul was departing the next day.

Let me know how that pans out for you come judgment day when God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that if broken give us a knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day..
 
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Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? All you have provided is a scripture saying that the disciples came together for a meal because Paul was departing the next day.

Let me know how that pans out for you come judgment day when God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that if broken give us a knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11 and there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day..
We are not required to keep any day. Never have been. But to those that call themselves Israel...

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
 
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We are not required to keep any day. Never have been. But to those that call themselves Israel...

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you...

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. [links back to the origin of the Sabbath in Gensis 2:1-3]

............

You may wish to revisit your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6 by adding the context of v5 and v7. The scriptures is not telling you that God's LAW is ABOLISHED. This is proven in v7. It is telling you to die to that which has bound us. What has bound us?

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

It is sin that has bound us not God's LAW. It is the LAW of God that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11. This is emphasised in v7 for further clarity.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

By being dead to that which we were held [SIN; the FLESH] we serve in NEWNESS of the SPIRIT. This is the NEW COVENANT promise of a new heart to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Now, none of what you have posted says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY now does it Steve?

Hope this helps.
 
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Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you...

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. [links back to the origin of the Sabbath in Gensis 2:1-3]

............

You may wish to revisit your interpretation of ROMANS 7:6 by adding the context of v5 and v7. The scriptures is not telling you that God's LAW is ABOLISHED. This is proven in v7. It is telling you to die to that which has bound us. What has bound us?

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

It is sin that has bound us not God's LAW. It is the LAW of God that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11. This is emphasised in v7 for further clarity.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

By being dead to that which we were held [SIN; the FLESH] we serve in NEWNESS of the SPIRIT. This is the NEW COVENANT promise of a new heart to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Now, none of what you have posted says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY now does it Steve?

Hope this helps.
Sorry, "God's WORD" disagrees with you!

Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
 
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Sorry, "God's WORD" disagrees with you!

Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

So are you saying because you were not a slave in Egypt you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Hope this helps
 
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So are you saying because you were not a slave in Egypt you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Hope this helps
Your opinion does not agree with "God's WORD".
You are using human reasoning against "God's WORD".

Who is the "you" in the Sabbath commandment?
- those who were slaves in Egypt
- that the Lord brought out (in the Exodus)
- those the Lord has commanded to observe the Sabbath (Ex.16)

The Israelites are the only ones who fit this description.

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
 
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Your opinion does not agree with "God's WORD".
You are using human reasoning against "God's WORD".

Who is the "you" in the Sabbath commandment?
- those who were slaves in Egypt
- that the Lord brought out (in the Exodus)
- those the Lord has commanded to observe the Sabbath (Ex.16)

The Israelites are the only ones who fit this description.

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Sorry Steve, that is not true, I have only provided God's WORD and it disagrees with you. It is God's WORD not mine. Your argument is with God not me.

Here let me ask you again...

So are you saying because you were not a slave in Egypt you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Hope this helps
 
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Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?


No one says that the 4th commandment is abolished, or any of the
10 commandments.


It is the way we keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant that has changed.


We no longer stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, or picking up sticks to kindle a fire.


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15



again



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36



The way the Church observes the Sabbath under the New Covenant has changed.



Can you list the requirements for the Church today, on how we are to observe the Sabbath?


Are we commanded to assemble on the Sabbath to have a church service?


Did Jesus or His Apostle list any instructions as to how we observe the Sabbath today?


Here is something from Paul about the Sabbath.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17



Do you have any instructions from Jesus or Paul about how the Church should observe the Sabbath?



Here is another one -


On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2


Here’s another -


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5



and another


Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7


The first day of the week is when the disciples came together.




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Sorry Steve, that is not true, I have only provided God's WORD and it disagrees with you. It is God's WORD not mine. Your argument is with God not me.

Here let me ask you again...

So are you saying because you were not a slave in Egypt you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Hope this helps
Now you are making things up that I never said.
"God's WORD" disagrees with you.

The Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
 
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Now you are making things up that I never said."God's WORD" disagrees with you.

Not really Steve, what did you not say? Did you not say that God's 10 commandments are only for those who came out of Egypt in post # 704 linked?

If your saying that God's ten commandments are not for God's people then this is the same as saying that you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
The Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
Not really Steve, if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT because gentiles are now grafted in and the NEW COVENANT is with ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 11:16-27. ISRAEL is simply a name that God has given to his chosen people. Under the NEW COVENANT all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are God's ISRAEL.

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

............

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you. God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps.
 
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No one says that the 4th commandment is abolished, or any of the10 commandments. It is the way we keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant that has changed. We no longer stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, or picking up sticks to kindle a fire.You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15againNow while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36The way the Church observes the Sabbath under the New Covenant has changed.Can you list the requirements for the Church today, on how we are to observe the Sabbath?Are we commanded to assemble on the Sabbath to have a church service?Did Jesus or His Apostle list any instructions as to how we observe the Sabbath today?Here is something from Paul about the Sabbath.So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17
Do you have any instructions from Jesus or Paul about how the Church should observe the Sabbath? Here is another one -On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2 Here’s another - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5 and anotherNow on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7
first day of the week is when the disciples came together.

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1. ROMANS 14 is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath it is talking about food, eating and not eating and days that men esteem over other days. It is not talking about days that God esteems over other days and there is no mention in the entire chapter about God's 4th commandment. If there is no mention in the entire chapter of God's 4th commandment, are you reading into the chapter things that are not there?

2. DEATH PENALTY FOR BREAKING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD COVENANT CIVIL LAWS. In the OLD COVENANT under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL God's people were openly put to death for breaking most of God's 10 commandments not just God's 4th Commandment. This was to teach God's people the wages of sin [breaking God's Commmandments *1 JOHN 3:4] is death *ROMANS 6:23. These death penalties were not unique to the Sabbath but to most of God’s 10 commandments and were a part of the civil laws of Moses to help teach God’s people that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st . Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Ex 20:3; Deut 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Ex 20:4; Deut 27: 15); 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Ex 20:7; Lev 24:16); 4th yep; 5th commandment and cursing there Mother and farther (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17); 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Num. 35:31-33); 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Ex 20:14; Lev 20:10; John 8:3-5) etc. 8th commandment stealing (kidnapping Exodus 21:16). 9th Commandment lying Deuteronomy 19:15-21; 10th commandment no death.

This ceased at during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman law and at the death of Christ bringing in the NC. The death penalty is still in force for those that do not repent at the time of judgement and reject the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12).
The death penalties under the OLD COVENANT for breaking most of the ten commandment was to teach God's people the wages of sin is death. It is the same penalty under the NEW COVENANT but will be executed at the second coming to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 6:4-8.

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3. COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT not God's 10 commandments. This is a reference to the Shadow Sabbaths connected the annual feast days not God's 10 commandments.

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

Col 2:16-17, Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath day{s} plural: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

What is Paul referring to from the OLD TESTAMENT?

EZEKIEL 45:17-21, It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbath{s}, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when a Holy convocation [annual feast day] falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of the book of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

The old covenant (MOSAIC ordinances for remission of sin) was to pass away..

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10:4 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13:9 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6:55 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECHARIAH 9:9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no waterVerse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12:23 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22:19 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices.

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CONCLUSION: COL 2:16 is not talking about God's 10 Commandments or the 4th Commandment it is talking about CEREMONIAL ORDINACES written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant for remission of SIN and annual festivals and HOLY DAYS and special SABBATHS of LEV 23 that pointed to Jesus and GOd's plan of salvation.

You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath (not God's 4th Commandment) were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

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4. MISCELLANEOUS. Everying else you have posted ACTS 20:7; 1 CORINTHIANS 16:2 is about the disciples having a meal together because PAUL was departing the next day and gathering of offerings because Paul was passing through. None of these scriptures say that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day do they?
 
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QUESTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

Where does it say in God's WORD? (Scripture please)

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If you cannot answer any of the above, who should we obey God or man? Something to seriously pray about my dear friends.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If we brake any of God's commandments it is showing we do not LOVE God or our fellow man...

Thie is why Jesus says....... If you LOVE me keep my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15;15:10)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
 
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Not really Steve, what did you not say? Did you not say that God's 10 commandments are only for those who came out of Egypt in post # 704 linked?

If your saying that God's ten commandments are not for God's people then this is the same as saying that you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Not really Steve, if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT because gentiles are now grafted in and the NEW COVENANT is with ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 11:16-27. ISRAEL is simply a name that God has given to his chosen people. Under the NEW COVENANT all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are God's ISRAEL.

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you. God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps.
Were you a slave in Egypt, or not? (Deuteronomy 5:15)

I was only talking about the Sabbath. You brought up the TCs. And now you ask what I was saying about them. Yes, you are putting words in my mouth. Making things up.

The Sabbath was made for the Israelites. It is a sign between them and God. Your opinions do not agree with "God's WORD".

Were you a slave in Egypt, or not?
 
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Were you a slave in Egypt, or not? (Deuteronomy 5:15)

I was only talking about the Sabbath. You brought up the TCs. And now you ask what I was saying about them. Yes, you are putting words in my mouth. Making things up.

The Sabbath was made for the Israelites. It is a sign between them and God. Your opinions do not agree with "God's WORD".

Were you a slave in Egypt, or not?

God's WORD is for God's ISRAEL. God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:16-27.

Your trying to argue that because you did not come out of Egypt than God's 10 commandments are not for God's people. I suggest you read EXODUS 20:1-17. Where does it say in there that God's 10 commandments are only for those who come out of Egypt?

If your saying that God's ten commandments are not for God's people in the NEW COVENANT then this is the same as saying that you are now free to lie, steal, kill, commit adultery and have other God's? That does not really make much sense now does it Steve? That concept pretty much disagrees with the whole bible because if we love God and our neighbor we will not be doing these things.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. I am sure you do not believe that do you?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

JAMES 2:10-11
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Hope this helps
 
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1. ROMANS 14 is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath it is talking about food, eating and not eating and days that men esteem over other days. It is not talking about days that God esteems over other days and there is no mention in the entire chapter about God's 4th commandment. If there is no mention in the entire chapter of God's 4th commandment, are you reading into the chapter things that are not there


That’s your opinion.


Is the Sabbath a day?

Yes.


Do you esteem the Sabbath day over the other days of the week?

Yes.



Case Closed.
 
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That’s your opinion.
Is the Sabbath a day?Yes.Do you esteem the Sabbath day over the other days of the week?
Yes.Case Closed.

Where does is say anywhere in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? Where does it say anywhere in the bible that God's 4th commandment from the ten commandments has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? (scripture please?).

ROMANS 14 is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath it is talking about food, eating and not eating and days that men esteem over other days. It is not talking about days that God esteems over other days and there is no mention in the entire chapter about God's 4th commandment. If there is no mention in the entire chapter of God's 4th commandment, are you reading into the chapter things that are not there?

How can you close a case that was never opened?
 
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This ceased at during the time of Christ


Ok so now I have asked for you to present scriptures from Christ where he commands us to assemble on the Sabbath.


The Sabbath is about resting from work.


Pastors and Teachers receive a wage for working.

Their work is to Teach and Pastor the flock of God.

Why would God call His ministers to work on the Sabbath.

That would be breaking the Sabbath.


As you can see from the scriptures I gave, the disciples gathered on the first day of the week.


Not as a commandment from Christ but as was their custom.

Paul ministered all night and never corrected them.


Please answer my questions with scripture.


Can you list the requirements for the Church today, on how we are to observe the Sabbath?


Are we commanded to assemble on the Sabbath to have a church service?


Did Jesus or His Apostle list any instructions as to how we observe the Sabbath today?





On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:2




Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Acts 20:7


The first day of the week is when the disciples came together.




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Where does is say anywhere in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? Where does it say anywhere in the bible that God's 4th commandment from the ten commandments has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? (scripture please?).

ROMANS 14 is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath it is talking about food, eating and not eating and days that men esteem over other days. It is not talking about days that God esteems over other days and there is no mention in the entire chapter about God's 4th commandment. If there is no mention in the entire chapter of God's 4th commandment, are you reading into the chapter things that are not there?

How can you close a case that was never opened?

The context is about about the law.

As you well know.


Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 13:8-14:5


Again is the Sabbath a day?

Yes!


Is the Sabbath a day you esteem above the other days of the week?

Yes.


If you want to observe the Sabbath as a special day, then great.


Where the problem comes in is if you think it’s a sin not to observe the Sabbath As the law of Moses dictated.


Then you are trying to be justified
(Made righteous before God) by the works of the law.


So here’s the question -


Do you believe it’s a sin to go to church on Sunday rather than Saturday?



JLB
 
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The context is about about the law.

As you well know.

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 13:8-14:5

Again is the Sabbath a day?

Yes!

Is the Sabbath a day you esteem above the other days of the week?

Yes.

If you want to observe the Sabbath as a special day, then great.

Where the problem comes in is if you think it’s a sin not to observe the Sabbath As the law of Moses dictated.

Then you are trying to be justified
(Made righteous before God) by the works of the law.

So here’s the question -

Do you believe it’s a sin to go to church on Sunday rather than Saturday?

JLB

Your just repeating yourself brother and are trying to read into the the scriptures something that it is not talking about. To come up with your interpretation of ROMANS 14 you have to read it into the chapter. Please show me the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment?

Where does is say anywhere in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment? Where does it say anywhere in the bible that God's 4th commandment from the ten commandments has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? (scripture please?).

ROMANS 14 is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath it is talking about food, eating and not eating and days that men esteem over other days. It is not talking about days that God esteems over other days and there is no mention in the entire chapter about God's 4th commandment. If there is no mention in the entire chapter of God's 4th commandment, are you reading into the chapter things that are not there?

If you cannot find the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about God's Sabbath then what you are presenting is not biblical.

Hope this helps.
 
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