WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

[JLB777]

"His" means Jesus not Moses, right?

Yes sir.

 

[klutedavid]

Read the scriptures what do they say and who's WORDS are they? How can you believe and depend on the Son if you do not depend and believe on his Word?

No one is saved or do they remain in a justified state before God by following after God's LAW. The role of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11; PSALMS 119:172. They make nothing perfect but show us who we all are, sinners in need of a Savior. They lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and lead us to depend soley on the WORD of GOD for salvation.

The FRUIT of true faith however is LOVE and LOVE results in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. If your faith does not have the fruit of OBEDIENCE that works by LOVE, JAMES says it is dead and not saving faith *JAMES 2:18-20;26.

No one is in a justified state before GOD if they are continuing in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son neither do they know GOD or have his Spirit and are in danger of the judgment to come. *HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; ACTS 2:38; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

We are told in the last days many will have a form of Godliness but will deny the power thereof from such turn away 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5.

God's power is to save us from sin it is not for us to continue in sin. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will die because we reject the gift of God's dear son and deny God's power to save us from our sins. *ROMANS 6:23; JOHN 8:31-36

Is love of others your goal as a Christian, or is your goal the perfection of your flesh?

 

[Karola]

My role is to correct all factions and press them into one faith, one baptism, one ultimate doctrine.

Ah, so you have transcended factions, and only involve yourself in disputes to point others in the direction you have attained to.
What are the works of the flesh again? don't limit it to just one verse

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Is love of others your goal as a Christian, or is your goal the perfection of your flesh?

It is only in LOVE I share God's WORD. He must increase but I must decrease. Many are called but few are chosen but God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to a KNOWLEDGE of the truth through his WORD to be saved *2 PETER 3:9.

 

[klutedavid]

I've not heard of branding goats.

There are only two authentic livestock, sheep and goats. Sheep move in one flock but goats separate themselves, and stand on high places.
Goats also head butt anything that gets too close.

 

[Aldebaran]

There are only two authentic livestock, sheep and goats. Sheep move in one flock but goats separate themselves, and stand on high places.
Goats also head butt anything that gets too close.

I wonder if we should be comparing ourselves to sheep. After all, like sheep, we have all gone astray. At this point, we're supposed to be wise as serpents, but gentle as doves. If we try to be sheep, we'll just keep going astray.

 

[klutedavid]

Ah, so you have transcended factions, and only involve yourself in disputes to point others in the direction you have attained to.
What are the works of the flesh again? don't limit it to just one verse

Not limiting, just highlighting the fact, that Paul mentioned three distinct deeds of the flesh.

Disputes, dissension, factions.

Church history is a grinding history of disputes and factions, wars and inquisitions. Even today there are even more Christian factions, a never ending increase in divisions. So many points of dispute and it is impossible to even mention them all.

Surely you understand what I am saying.

 

[klutedavid]

I wonder if we should be comparing ourselves to sheep. After all, like sheep, we have all gone astray. At this point, we're supposed to be wise as serpents, but gentle as doves. If we try to be sheep, we'll just keep going astray.

So are we exerting the Spirit or the works of the flesh. Will Christ find real faith when He returns or a shattered, blood stained tapestry of division, factions, and disharmony?

 

[JLB777]

Christians must keep the Royal Law of love of Christ. if, they do so. They will automatically be keeping the 10 Commandments of Moses also.

I would tend to agree with this for the most part.


Another way of saying this is “obeying the truth”.


The truth is Jesus, His Spirit, His Gospel and everything Hd taught.


Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23


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But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:5-8

• but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

JLB

 

[Karola]

Not limiting, just highlighting the fact, that Paul mentioned three distinct deeds of the flesh.

Disputes, dissension, factions.

Church history is a grinding history of disputes and factions, wars and inquisitions. Even today there are even more Christian factions, a never ending increase in divisions. So many points of dispute and it is impossible to even mention them all.

Surely you understand what I am saying.

I understand you started a discussion with me, then were not prepared to answer questions based on what you wrote

'Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.''''



In the above you specifically state it is sin to create differing denominations. OK fine. In your view they are factions and divisions. That is your definition of sin, not mine. So why could you not answer three simple questions based on what you wrote? Why deflect from answering?


Some may say you create another faction by not being part of any particular denomination. Some on the internet believe they are above denominational links, they have transcended them, as they do not anyway teach the truth the individual believes they know. Happens all the time on the internet. Has the individual truly better, or more knowledge than all the denominations, or are they possibly possessed by pride?

 

[Strong in Him]

Anything you do that is not based on loving others, is nothing else but sin.

Jesus told us to love our neighbours as we love ourselves.
Loving ourselves means caring for ourselves, taking time to relax, rest, thinking and praying about how we can serve God, studying Scripture and thinking about our faith, growth and walk with God. We love ourselves first, which is not a sin - then we love our neighbours, and enemies, in exactly the same way.

 

[klutedavid]

I understand you started a discussion with me, then were not prepared to answer questions based on what you wrote

'Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.''''



In the above you specifically state it is sin to create differing denominations. OK fine. In your view they are factions and divisions. That is your definition of sin, not mine. So why could you not answer three simple questions based on what you wrote? Why deflect from answering?


Some may say you create another faction by not being part of any particular denomination. Some on the internet believe they are above denominational links, they have transcended them, as they do not anyway teach the truth the individual believes they know. Happens all the time on the internet. Has the individual truly better, or more knowledge than all the denominations, or are they possibly possessed by pride?

I answered your question, but I will spell it out.

So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?

A denomination is a faction, there has only ever been one body of Christ, one church. Of course it is a deed of the flesh, to be joined to a factional group.

You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?

If your intent is to create division, then yes, that is a grievous sin. If your intent on the internet is to preach Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection. Then you are blessed.

What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

As long as you are not involved in factional behavior, then you are not guilty of the work of the flesh.

The world is deeply divided, the church has no division.

 

[klutedavid]

Jesus told us to love our neighbours as we love ourselves.
Loving ourselves means caring for ourselves, taking time to relax, rest, thinking and praying about how we can serve God, studying Scripture and thinking about our faith, growth and walk with God. We love ourselves first, which is not a sin - then we love our neighbours, and enemies, in exactly the same way.

A perfect faith is a perfect love towards others.
We lose our lives day by day, that others may grow in Christ. We lead people to Christ and we die to our own self interests and passions. We die to self, love is outward not inward.

Christ lost everything but rules the heavens and the earth. The apostles lost all but gained eternal life; they were hated, scorned, brutally treated.

Real faith will cost you your life.

 

[Karola]

Not limiting, just highlighting the fact, that Paul mentioned three distinct deeds of the flesh.

Disputes, dissension, factions.

Church history is a grinding history of disputes and factions, wars and inquisitions. Even today there are even more Christian factions, a never ending increase in divisions. So many points of dispute and it is impossible to even mention them all.

Surely you understand what I am saying.

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I answered your question, but I will spell it out.

A denomination is a faction, there has only ever been one body of Christ, one church. Of course it is a deed of the flesh, to be joined to a factional group.

If your intent is to create division, then yes, that is a grievous sin. If your intent on the internet is to preach Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection. Then you are blessed.

As long as you are not involved in factional behavior, then you are not guilty of the work of the flesh.

The world is deeply divided, the church has no division.

OK, so in your view if you join a church denomination you commit sin for you have joined a faction. That is your definition of sin.

You do know, in these debates, the majority come here believing they are preaching the truth of Jesus Christ, and they will all quote reams of scripture to do it. And the result is disputes and divisions. And they think they are preaching the truth others need to know, that is what God wants them to do, they are no different from you at all.
You involve yourself in disputes, and factions for you, as does everyone else side with, and have affinity with one group with opinions against another.
There are too many people on the internet, who quote scripture glibly to others and believe what they are quoting does not apply to them, for they are only here to lead others into the light. I repeat, it results in factions and disputes, and you are no more above that than is anyone else

 

[Karola]

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[LoveGodsWord]

Thanks for proving my point.

Proving your point? I doubt it, but that was funny. So back to the OP, did you have any scriptures to share?

 

[klutedavid]

Hello Karola.

You said.

OK, so in your view if you join a church denomination you commit sin for you have joined a faction. That is your definition of sin.

This is what Paul said, 'disputes, dissension, factions'. That is not my opinion, not my viewpoint.

You do know, in these debates, the majority come here believing they are preaching the truth of Jesus Christ, and they will all quote reams of scripture to do it.

Most would have some difficulty presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ, without adding additional denominational doctrine.

For example, how many doctrines does your named church require for membership?

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body (one church) and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all, and in all.

There was ever only one church.

And the result is disputes and divisions. And they think they are preaching the truth others need to know, that is what God wants them to do, they are no different from you at all.

Factional disputes appear in ChristianForums, but there are others threads on CF that are not factional.

I preach the belief in Jesus Christ crucified, and the Christ subsequently raised on the third day. (1 Corinthians 15)

You obviously have a problem with that simple gospel.

You involve yourself in disputes, and factions for you, as does everyone else side with, and have affinity with one group with opinions against another.

I am not a member of a church or a church organization. I can fellowship with any church.

I do not hold Christian opinions or any additional doctrine other than the essentials.

There are too many people on the internet, who quote scripture glibly to others and believe what they are quoting does not apply to them, for they are only here to lead others into the light. I repeat, it results in factions and disputes, and you are no more above that than is anyone else

Be careful with your accusations, I have already told you that I have, a mere handful of doctrine.
I am free of accusation because I make no additional claims. I never follow anyone's teaching.

 

[klutedavid]

It is only in LOVE I share God's WORD. He must increase but I must decrease. Many are called but few are chosen but God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to a KNOWLEDGE of the truth through his WORD to be saved *2 PETER 3:9.

So what is the truth?

 

[Karola]

Hello Karola.

You said.

This is what Paul said, 'disputes, dissension, factions'. That is not my opinion, not my viewpoint.

Most would have some difficulty presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ, without adding additional denominational doctrine.

For example, how many doctrines does your named church require for membership?

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body (one church) and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all, and in all.

There was ever only one church.

Factional disputes appear in ChristianForums, but there are others threads on CF that are not factional.

I preach the belief in Jesus Christ crucified, and the Christ subsequently raised on the third day. (1 Corinthians 15)

You obviously have a problem with that simple gospel.

I am not a member of a church or a church organization. I can fellowship with any church.

I do not hold Christian opinions or any additional doctrine other than the essentials.

Be careful with your accusations, I have already told you that I have, a mere handful of doctrine.
I am free of accusation because I make no additional claims. I never follow anyone's teaching.

It is just you and the bible right?
If I have a problem with Jesus Christ crucified and raised on the third day, quote me where I have stated that.
As for accusations, it is you accusing others of sin if they belong to any particular denomination. The greatest error is normally found where it is just the individual and the bible.
As you have made accusations against me(in love of course) I will tell you the truth. People come on the internet to share what they think they know, and to teach others the knowledge they believe they know. If they knew as much as they thin k they know, they would not be on the internet, they would have a large and grateful following outside of cyberspace. If you really want to help people, don't come here, where those you enter debate with will not change their minds. People come here with cherished beliefs that give them a security and they will leave here with them.
Now I actually agree with you, factions and disputes are of the flesh, which is why, many times I have left these kind of websites, actually asking staff to ban me, for in truth it does no good for your Christian walk. But I succumb to the flesh at times and return for a short while.
I am sure most will make excuses for the disputes and factions they enter into here, yourself included, but it is mainly the flesh/ego, coming here to proclaim to others the knowledge people think they have, it just becomes a scripture quoting contest, you may think you are immune from all of this, as do others, but you are not in truth

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So what is the truth?

The answer was in the post you were responding to. EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *MATTHEW 4:4.

JOHN 17:17 [17], Sanctify them through the truth: thy word is truth.