WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

[Saint Steven]

And the same applies to anyone today who believes you can only be in a justified state if you obey the law

Right. There is no such thing as self-justification when it comes to righteousness. Regardless of the claims of those who have put themselves under the law.

 

[Saint Steven]

Indeed. What is it you do not agree with me about? It seems you are disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake.

I generally disagree as a matter of principle.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Right. There is no such thing as self-justification when it comes to righteousness. Regardless of the claims of those who have put themselves under the law.

You are only "UNDER THE LAW" if you are guilty of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I generally disagree as a matter of principle.

Indeed that is what I thought you are disagreeing for the sake of a disagreement.

 

[Karola]

Right. There is no such thing as self-justification when it comes to righteousness. Regardless of the claims of those who have put themselves under the law.

Very true, and if you tell people they can only be in a justified/righteous state if they obey the law, you will reap the result of romans7:7-13

 

[Saint Steven]

Indeed. What is it you do not agree with me about? It seems you are disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake.

Are you the king of redundancy king?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is a re-post from the previous page as I thought it relavent here.

No one is saved or do they remain in a justified state before God by following after God's LAW. The role of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11; PSALMS 119:172. They make nothing perfect but show us who we all are, sinners in need of a Savior. They lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and lead us to depend soley on the WORD of GOD for salvation.

The FRUIT of true faith however is LOVE and LOVE results in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. If your faith does not have the fruit of OBEDIENCE that works by LOVE, JAMES says it is dead and not saving faith *JAMES 2:18-20;26.

No one is in a justified state before GOD if they are continuing in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son neither do they know GOD or have his Spirit and are in danger of the judgment to come. *HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; ACTS 2:38; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

We are told in the last days many will have a form of Godliness but will deny the power thereof from such turn away 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5.

God's power is to save us from sin it is not for us to continue in sin. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will die because we reject the gift of God's dear son and deny God's power to save us from our sins. *ROMANS 6:23; JOHN 8:31-36

 

[klutedavid]

I don't believe you sin by joining any particular denomination, though I imagine you must believe it is a sin for you have then joined a faction. Will you answer my questions now please.
So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

Anything you do that is not based on loving others, is nothing else but sin. We are all saved ultimately by the grace of God, there are no exceptions to this rule.

Christ died for me and Christ died for you, Christ died to reconcile us both. To transfer us both from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of the Son.

You cannot join a factional denomination of Christianity for that is impossible. There is only one kingdom of the Son, the kingdom that you live and breath within. To think of joining a divisional group is an illusion, that is a political fantasy.

One God, one Christ, one church, one doctrine.

 

[Saint Steven]

Indeed that is what I thought you are disagreeing for the sake of a disagreement.

No. Now you are making things up.

 

[Saint Steven]

Indeed that is what I thought you are disagreeing for the sake of a disagreement.

I disagree wholeheartedly to disagree.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No. Now you are making things up.

After I asked you what it is you disagree with me about you posted this..

I generally disagree as a matter of principle.

 

[klutedavid]

I don't believe you sin by joining any particular denomination, though I imagine you must believe it is a sin for you have then joined a faction. Will you answer my questions now please.
So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

So do you believe that there are divisions in the kingdom of the Son?

 

[Aldebaran]

Anything you do that is not based on loving others, is nothing else but sin. We are all saved ultimately by the grace of God, there are no exceptions to this rule.

How can this be? When I eat my breakfast in the morning, it's not based on loving others. It's based on fulfilling one of my own needs. It certainly isn't a sin.

 

[Karola]

Are you the king of redundancy king?

Anything you do that is not based on loving others, is nothing else but sin. We are all saved ultimately by the grace of God, there are no exceptions to this rule.

Christ died for me and Christ died for you, Christ died to reconcile us both. To transfer us both from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of the Son.

You cannot join a factional denomination of Christianity for that is impossible. There is only one kingdom of the Son, the kingdom that you live and breath within. To think of joining a divisional group is an illusion, that is a political fantasy.

One God, one Christ, one church, one doctrine.

As you wrote the following, could you answer my three questions please:

''''Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.''''


So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

 

[Saint Steven]

Very true, and if you tell people they can only be in a justified/righteous state if they obey the law, you will reap the result of romans7:7-13

Trying to be justified by the law is an impossible task. Dangerous business too.

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[Saint Steven]

After I asked you what it is you disagree with me about you posted this..

What's so hard to understand? Maybe you need to pray about it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What's so hard to understand? Maybe you need to pray about it?

Why? I have no problem with it.

 

[klutedavid]

How can this be? When I eat my breakfast in the morning, it's not based on loving others. It's based on fulfilling one of my own needs. It certainly isn't a sin.

Such a clever reply.

Not loving others is simply conforming to the deeds of the flesh.

 

[Saint Steven]

As you wrote the following, could you answer my three questions please:

''''Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.''''


So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

That's an interesting question. Though, I'm not sure if you mean to address it to me. Maybe we can compare answers.

Though creating factions and divisions is wrong in general, there is a place for it when it is a matter of principle. Some of the church splits that have happened were very positive in the long run. God was separating the wheat from the chaff. Another good outcome is that God calls individuals and groups to have a different focus. If someone I know is following God when they leave my church, I give them a blessing and my full support. The church is bigger than my congregation or denomination. (not that I am big on denominational loyalty) Does that make sense?

 

[Saint Steven]

Why? I have no problem with it.

Maybe that's your problem.