WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

[Saint Steven]

Not at all. You simply misrepresent what people say because you have no scriptures for your teachings. Shame on you.



Indeed. This is what God's WORD says not me. It is not difficult to understand. If you find it difficult maybe you can pray about it.

JAMES 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ACTS 17:30-31
[30], And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now commands all men everywhere to repent:
[31], Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

There is a growing in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD. When we are first Christians we do not know everything right away. As we continue in God's WORD we are his disciples and we learn everyday to be more and more like Jesus. That means putting away sin as it is revealed to us thorugh God's WORD.

2 PETER 3:18 [18], But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.

JOHN 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Thinking you know everything right away as soon as you first become a babe in Christ is not biblical.



Sorry I cannot take credit for it. It is God's WORD not min *JAMES 4:17; ACTS 17:30-31.
I am not sure what it is you find difficult to understand, maybe you can pray about it.

I misrepresent what people say? By using direct quotes? Is that what you mean? Shame on me? For what? Calling you on your inconsistencies? Your direct quotes were NOT made up. They were a DIRECT representation of what you said.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree that there can be sin that we are not knowledgeable about. (that God may decide to not hold us accountable for) Or that we can sin unknowingly. But my point is that these are still sin. We can't claim that sin isn't sin unless we know it is sin.

The flip side of that coin is the sins we are knowledgeable about that God does not hold us accountable for. I don't recall the references, but these have been pointed out to me before. One was Job, Abraham was another, Moses was a murderer, Rahab a liar, etc.

Furthermore, 1John1:7 begins with the word "but", which indicates a contrasting statement. What is it in contrast to? Also notice that the reference in verse seven is to sin (singular/in general) not sins (plural/individual). Our lack of knowledge does not mean that these are not sin. (not sure if you claiming that or not) LGW is.

1 John 1:5-7
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Does this sound like the scripture you can't find? It is the only one that comes to mind.

Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[Saint Steven]

Does this sound like the scripture you can't find? It is the only one that comes to mind.

Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

That works. It is in reference to the old covenant. Those living prior to the new covenant could not be held responsible for not receiving it. Since it had not been offered to them.

 

[1stcenturylady]

That works. It is in reference to the old covenant. Those living prior to the new covenant could not be held responsible for not receiving it. Since it had not been offered to them.

And here is another one in Romans 7

For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

 

[Karola]

And here is another one in Romans 7

For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

I was alive too once, (before I made a commitment to God at a young age) before the law came to me, because there was no condemnation then. But once the law did come, sin(consciousness) sprang to life and I died/felt condemned. The commandment I believed would give me life(if I obeyed it) instead brought death(for I could not keep it)

I had tried to attain heaven as saul the Pharisee tried to attain it

 

[Saint Steven]

And here is another one in Romans 7

For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Yes, and verse 13 in context.

… Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, and verse 13 in context.

… Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

There you go that was not hard now was it? Good to see we are in agreement.

 

[Karola]

Yes, and verse 13 in context.

… Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

And the same applies to anyone today who believes you can only be in a justified state if you obey the law

 

[1stcenturylady]

And the same applies to anyone today who believes you can only be in a justified state if you obey the law

That depends of which law you are speaking about. What about the commandment to believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ? What about loving your neighbor? 1 John 3:23 To break one, you break the other.

 

[Karola]

That depends of which law you are speaking about. What about the commandment to believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ? What about loving your neighbor? 1 John 3:23 To break one, you break the other.

I thought it would be understood, the law being referred to was the moral law. Of course believing on the name of Christ was not being included in rom7:13, nor by me! Saul the Pharisee understood the commandment to love your neighbour. He is referring to the moral law. If you read the rest of rom ch7 it all concerns thou shalt not covet.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And the same applies to anyone today who believes you can only be in a justified state if you obey the law

No one is saved or do they remain in a justified state before God by following after God's LAW. The role of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11; PSALMS 119:172. They make nothing perfect but show us who we all are, sinners in need of a Savior. They lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and lead us to depend soley on the WORD of GOD for salvation.

The FRUIT of true faith however is LOVE and LOVE results in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. If your faith does not have the fruit of OBEDIENCE that works by LOVE, JAMES says it is dead and not saving faith *JAMES 2:18-20;26.

No one is in a justified state before GOD if they are continuing in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son neither do they know GOD or have his Spirit and are in danger of the judgment to come. *HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; ACTS 2:38; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

We are told in the last days many will have a form of Godliness but will deny the power thereof from such turn away 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5.

God's power is to save us from sin it is not for us to continue in sin. If we continue in known unrepentant sin we will die because we reject the gift of God's dear son and deny his power to save us from our sins. *ROMANS 6:23; JOHN 8:31-36

 

[klutedavid]

Can anyone give me a list of what might be sins of ignorance for born again believers?

Murder?
Stealing?
Bearing false witness?
Failing to love others?
Committing adultery?
Unkind thoughts about others?
Taking the Lords name in vain?
Lust?
Not loving God?
Etc
Through which law written in our minds and placed on our hearts may we not become conscious of sin?

Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.

Generating church doctrines and preaching divisive arguments against other assemblies or churches.

Focusing on specific verses in the scripture in order to divide a group of Christians, from one another. Interpretations of the scripture and even church tradition, are employed to emphasize distinctions between Christians.

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now agree and that there be no divisions among you...

Today the Church is deeply divided into an innumerable number of factions, denominations, and divisions. This is the visible church that the world observes, a splintered array of churches. Churches that in some cases are so deeply opposed to one another, that reconciliation is impossible.

John 17:22
The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one.

 

[Karola]

Here is an easy sin to observe and a very serious sin. This sin has caused wars, brutality, exclusion by even race, split families, caused divorce, e.t.c.

Creating factions, divisions within the Christian world, generating denominations that differ from one or more, other denominations in Christianity.

Generating church doctrines and preaching divisive arguments against other assemblies or churches.

Focusing on specific verses in the scripture in order to divide a group of Christians, from one another. Interpretations of the scripture and even church tradition, are employed to emphasize distinctions between Christians.

1 Corinthians 1:10
Now agree and that there be no divisions among you...

Today the Church is deeply divided into an innumerable number of factions, denominations, and divisions. This is the visible church that the world observes, a splintered array of churches. Churches that in some cases are so deeply opposed to one another, that reconciliation is impossible.

John 17:22
The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one.

So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

 

[klutedavid]

No one is saved or do they remain in a justified state before God by following after God's LAW. The role of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:9-11; PSALMS 119:172. They make nothing perfect but show us who we all are, sinners in need of a Savior. They lead us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by faith and lead us to depend soley on the WORD of GOD for salvation.

The FRUIT of true faith however is LOVE and LOVE results in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. If your faith does not have the fruit of OBEDIENCE that works by LOVE, JAMES says it is dead and not saving faith *JAMES 2:18-20;26.

No one is in a justified state before GOD if they are continuing in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because they have rejected the gift of God's dear son neither do they know GOD or have his Spirit and are in danger of the judgment to come. *HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; ACTS 2:38; HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

We are told in the last days many will have a form of Godliness but will deny the power thereof from such turn away 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5.

Hello LGW.

Can you explain the following a bit more deeply.

The FRUIT of faith however is LOVE and LOVE results in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. If your faith does not have the fruit of OBEDIENCE, JAMES says it is dead and not saving faith *JAMES 2:18-20;26.

 

[klutedavid]

So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

Do you agree with what I wrote?

 

[Karola]

Do you agree with what I wrote?

I don't believe you sin by joining any particular denomination, though I imagine you must believe it is a sin for you have then joined a faction. Will you answer my questions now please.
So you commit sin if you join any particular denomination, for then you are part of a faction?
You commit sin if you debate on the internet, for that produces division?
What if you do not belong to any denomination, are you off the hook?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I thought it would be understood, the law being referred to was the moral law. Of course believing on the name of Christ was not being included in rom7:13, nor by me! Saul the Pharisee understood the commandment to love your neighbour. He is referring to the moral law. If you read the rest of rom ch7 it all concerns thou shalt not covet.

I know.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello LGW.

Can you explain the following a bit more deeply.

Hello David, I was still editing this post before you picked it up. Try reading it again and look at the connecting scriptures that go with it.

 

[Saint Steven]

There you go that was not hard now was it? Good to see we are in agreement.

I'm not agreeing with you. This scripture says sin is sin.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm not agreeing with you. This scripture says sin is sin.

Indeed. What is it you do not agree with me about? It seems you are disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake.