WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

[Karola]

As you are confused as to what I believe let's leave it there.

Well you could always explain, how, by Christians being able to unknowingly break the law in their hearts and minds, that does not mean, through the law they may or may not become conscious of sin

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So it is unbiblical to quote scripture that shows in Acts ch 15, and years later in Acts ch 21, the leaders of the Christian church gave, and reiterated the instruction that gentile coverts were asked to follow four laws, avoiding the Levitical unclean foods was not mentioned.

I guess it proves the only thing that really matters is defending denominational beliefs, at all costs!

Nothing wrong with the scripture. It is your interpretation of it that is the problem.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well you could always explain, how, by Christians being able to unknowingly break the law in their hearts and minds, that does not mean, through the law they may or may not become conscious of sin

Why make things difficult God's WORD is very clear

JAMES 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

 

[Karola]

Nothing wrong with the scripture. It is your interpretation of it that is the problem.

I just quoted it, no need to interpret it really is there.

 

[Karola]

Why make things difficult?

Bye, your response speaks volumes

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I just quoted it, no need to interpret it really is there.

No you quoted it with your own interpretation added to it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Bye, your response speaks volumes

Why? I have only provided God's WORD. It is God's WORD not mine.

 

[Karola]

Why make things difficult God's WORD is very clear



ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

Your version of scripture:

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law you may or may not receive the knowledge of sin.



JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of al(providing her is knowingly sinning). [

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin(that is not unknown) transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the(known) law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror that may or may not be used to show us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27​

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your version of scripture:

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law you may or may not receive the knowledge of sin.



JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of al(providing her is knowingly sinning). [

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin(that is not unknown) transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the(known) law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror that may or may not be used to show us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27​

Nope sorry I cannot take any credit for it. It is God's WORD not mine. Although your the one adding to it something you have done not me. I will leave that between you and God.

 

[Karola]

Now listen, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.’ 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, ‘If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.’ 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. James4:17

The above is speaking of what God desires an individual to do in their life, taking up the particular cross given to them and following after it. If the individual does not do this, it can in this regard be considered sin for them

 

[Karola]

Nope sorry I cannot take any credit for it. It is God's WORD not mine. Although your the one adding to it something you have done not me. I will leave that between you and God.

There can be no usefull or stimulating conversation to be had with you, so I will place you on ignore.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now listen, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.’ 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, ‘If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.’ 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. James4:17

The above is speaking of what God desires an individual to do in their life, taking up the particular cross given to them and following after it. If the individual does not do this, it can in this regard be considered sin for them

Indeed I quoted this earlier for you. [JAMES 4:17]

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There can be no usefull or stimulating conversation to be had with you, so I will place you on ignore.

Indeed it is hard to hear what you do not wish to hear. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Steve, Now your making things up I have never said. Salvation is indeed a free gift and there is nothing that you can do to earn it. OBEDIENCE is the fruit of Faith in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you do not have it you do not know God and are still in your sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

How do you measure "OBEDIENCE"?

At what point have you been obedient enough to "qualify" for grace?
Could you have been more obedient? (sure) Were you obedient enough? (who knows?)

Your whole claim is a doctrinal house of cards. You have tried to engineer a statement that does not use the word "works", but implies exactly that!

You are trying to make the outcome of faith a prerequisite for salvation. The cart before the horse. You obviously don't believe we can be saved in the here and now. Which disagrees with "God's WORD". The term "have been" is past tense.

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How do you measure "OBEDIENCE"?

At what point have you been obedient enough to "qualify" for grace?
Could you have been more obedient? (sure) Were you obedient enough? (who knows?)

Your whole claim is a doctrinal house of cards. You have tried to engineer a statement that does not use the word "works", but implies exactly that!

You are trying to make the outcome of faith a prerequisite for salvation. The cart before the horse. You obviously don't believe we can be saved in the here and now. Which disagrees with "God's WORD". The term "have been" is past tense.

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

Your making stuff up again Steve no one is saying to you. Salvation is indeed a free gift and there is nothing that you can do to earn it. OBEDIENCE is the fruit of Faith in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you do not have it you do not know God and are still in your sins *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

 

[Saint Steven]

I grew up believing I was saved by grace through faith, I did nothing at all to earn it/be placed in a saved state apart from repenting and asking Christ to be my Lord and Saviour. But after that, if I wanted to remain a Christian/remain in a saved state, I must obey the law/not commit sin. And for me then, that meant obeying the letter of it. I then ended up exactly as Paul described of himself as a Pharisee(rom7:7-11) I could quote it word for word as my own personal experience. For I had tried to inherit eternal life as Saul the Pharisee tried to attain it, so I got the same result he got

And now?
What do you believe now?

 

[Karola]

How do you measure "OBEDIENCE"?

At what point have you been obedient enough to "qualify" for grace?
Could you have been more obedient? (sure) Were you obedient enough? (who knows?)

Your whole claim is a doctrinal house of cards. You have tried to engineer a statement that does not use the word "works", but implies exactly that!

You are trying to make the outcome of faith a prerequisite for salvation. The cart before the horse. You obviously don't believe we can be saved in the here and now. Which disagrees with "God's WORD". The term "have been" is past tense.

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

I like the NIV version of Rom1:5

Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

 

[Karola]

And now?
What do you believe now?

A few years later God opened my eyes to grace. It truly was a miracle, so entrenched was I as described.
I realised then, Jesus was my righteousness before the Father, I had none of my own, once I believed that the sin started to decrease, whereas before, it had only increased

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

Law written on the heart and mind is not disputable, in other words, you cannot choose whether to follow it or not. Other things are disputable, in regard to you may choose whichever view to take concerning them:
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarrelling over disputable matters.
Romans14:1

Two disputable matters are mentioned in the chapter:

One person considers one day more sacred/holy than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. verse5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. verse14

All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. verse20

I don't believe "the law written on our hearts" means we can't choose to do otherwise. If we walk in the flesh, we certainly won't obey the law written on our hearts. God never removes the choice. He expects us to make the right one by walking with the Spirit.

I agree with you in regards to the Scriptures you shared. So why are you quarreling with the guy over the two issues Paul said not to quarrel with him over? If he is convinced and acts on that conviction, great for him. But, if we don't believe what he believes and we are convinced of the opposite and act on that conviction, then what he says, in those regards, are irrelevant to us, right?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I like the NIV version of Rom1:5

Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

This is my experience to. Maybe we are saying the same things? You can see it in my testimony I posted earlier.