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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

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Good to repeat this. Not one seventh day Adventist was firstly convicted from within they must follow a specific Saturday sabbath. They only came to that conclusion by firstly reading what is written in ink, that is not where the law is for the believer. Which proves, the Spirit of the living God did not write, as written the fourth commandment on any believers heart or mind
 
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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

Firstly I believe God has his people in EVERY CHURCH as long as they are living up to all the KNOWLEDGE God has revealed to them through his WORD.

JOHN 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

However God is calling his people out from following man made traditions to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

JOHN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

WHO IS GOD'S CHURCH?

IS GOD'S CHURCH A BUILDING or a CHURCH ORGANISATION?

Before we look at who God's WORD says is God's true Church let's start off by looking at the GREEK meaning of the word Church which is ἐκκλησία which means a calling out or meeting.

This links in very nicely with

MATTHEW 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

A Church therefore is the people the BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. They are the called out and Jesus is in the midst of them.

WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REVELATION 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Notice God's people keep ALL of God's Commandments through FAITH in Christ?

NOTE: God's saints keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of God. It is these people that are a remnant that the devil is making war with. They are called God's saints and these are the ones that have right to the tree of life.

How many Church's do you see keeping all of God's Commandments?

What are your thoughts?

You believe John knew the answer. So do I. When John used the word "commandments" don't you think it would be advisable to know what HE means?

1 John 2:
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 3
16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Note what "His commandments" are in 1 John 2:3 and 1 John 3:22! Those are His Church!

It is very clear what the scriptures are talking about. God's 10 commandments are the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; and the standard of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's people who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD keep all of them through faith in God's WORD. *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATIONS 12:17; 14:12; 22:14.

I agree that LOVE is the fulfilling [ESTABLISHING] of God's LAW it is not the doing away with it.

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD'S LAW.

ROAMNS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

God's true Church keep all of God's commandments through faith in God's WORD

Hope this helps.

And yet, Acts 15 met. Peter said: "And God, who knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." (Acts 15:8-11)

So you both agree that Love fulfills the Law.

I would hope we all agree that if we are part of God's true church, we have His Holy Spirit.

I would also hope that we could agree that our expectation is that we follow the Holy Spirit's leading, according to the Scriptures. Did you ever notice how the Holy Spirit will often lead us to do things we don't want to do and sometimes things that make no sense to us? But, the Holy Spirit never violates love. Sometimes love is different than what we think it is or should be.

If we are following the Holy Spirit's leading we will "remain in His love" and we won't fulfill the desires of our flesh.

But, if we choose to put ourselves under the yoke of the law, then we have to live by it all again. It is hard to love God while simultaneously feeling like I am walking through a minefield and have to fear that my next step might be my last one. And, if I become an expert at walking through that minefield, I may get the mis-impression that God owes me something for my excellence and look around me at all those who don't do as excellently as me and think I'm something I'm not in the eyes of God?

I can't go there. I like my walk with God--a walk that involved Him choosing me first and Him leading me in the way everlasting. One step at a time with Him. No rulebook, His true Law is written on my heart. It is just standard operating procedures for the new creation that chooses to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh.
 
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So where is your scripture that states:
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin?
Can we revise your statement then?
The law is a mirror that may or may not make you conscious of sin/reveal your sin

I like the way God's WORD puts it...

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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And yet, Acts 15 met. Peter said: "And God, who knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." (Acts 15:8-11)

So you both agree that Love fulfills the Law.

I would hope we all agree that if we are part of God's true church, we have His Holy Spirit.

I would also hope that we could agree that our expectation is that we follow the Holy Spirit's leading, according to the Scriptures. Did you ever notice how the Holy Spirit will often lead us to do things we don't want to do and sometimes things that make no sense to us? But, the Holy Spirit never violates love. Sometimes love is different than what we think it is or should be.

If we are following the Holy Spirit's leading we will "remain in His love" and we won't fulfill the desires of our flesh.

But, if we choose to put ourselves under the yoke of the law, then we have to live by it all again. It is hard to love God while simultaneously feeling like I am walking through a minefield and have to fear that my next step might be my last one. And, if I become an expert at walking through that minefield, I may get the mis-impression that God owes me something for my excellence and look around me at all those who don't do as excellently as me and think I'm something I'm not in the eyes of God?

I can't go there. I like my walk with God--a walk that involved Him choosing me first and Him leading me in the way everlasting. One step at a time with Him. No rulebook, His true Law is written on my heart. It is just standard operating procedures for the new creation that chooses to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh.

Indeed CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation neither is it one of God's 10 commandments *ACTS 15:1-2. No one has God's Spirit while knowingly breaking any of God's Commandments *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and is why we need to be born again to love another *1 JOHN 3:3-10.
 
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No God's LAW is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and it is this Word that we are to live by *MATTHEW 4:4. To those who have been born again God's 10 commandments are no longer written on stone. They are written in the fleshly tables of the heart to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who walk in God's Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16. They are no longer the 10 Commandments but exceeeding great and precious promises *2 PETER 1:4.

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Well obviously you don't think it is EVERY word that God has spoken, or you'd be telling us to obey the Jewish law. So you DO mean only the 10 commandments, which are now written on our hearts?
 
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I like the way God's WORD puts it...

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Would you like to answer the question now in the post you responded to?

So where is your scripture that states:
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin?
Can we revise your statement then?
The law is a mirror that may or may not make you conscious of sin/reveal your sin
 
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Right.
Well obviously you don't think it is EVERY word that God has spoken, or you'd be telling us to obey the Jewish law. So you DO mean only the 10 commandments, which are now written on our hearts?

No I mean what I said earlier we are to live by every WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God. What has pointed to the new is fulfilled in the new. We live by it in the new. It is LOVE that is written in the heart of stone that changes the life in those who are born again. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12
 
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Would you like to answer the question now in the post you responded to?

So where is your scripture that states:
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin?
Can we revise your statement then?
The law is a mirror that may or may not make you conscious of sin/reveal your sin

The scriptures were posted I see you did not like them. God's WORD is very clear however it is through God's 10 commandmetns that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27
 
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The scriptures were posted I see you did not like them. God's WORD is very clear however it is through God's 10 commandmetns that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
You wrote, and I quote:

If you have God's LAW written on your heart you will not KNOWINGLY break it.

So you obviously believe you can unknowingly break the law in your heart, you may not be conscious of sin when you break that law.
Therefore, without any scriptural basis under the new covenant, you believe:

Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin
The law is a mirror that may or may not make us conscious of sin/be aware of our sin
 
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Its the same with the Levitical laws concerning clean/unclean foods. No seventh day Adventist became convicted to follow those laws from within, only by reading law written in ink. Paul plainly tells us all food is clean for the new covenant believer, but sda refuse to accept it, for they(partially) follow the written code. If it is sin for believers to eat the Levitical unclean foods, the leaders of the first century Christian church gave gentile converts a licence to sin(Acts ch15)
 
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You wrote, and I quote:

If you have God's LAW written on your heart you will not KNOWINGLY break it.

So you obviously believe you can unknowingly break the law in your heart, you may not be conscious of sin when you break that law.
Therefore, without any scriptural basis under the new covenant, you believe:

Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin
The law is a mirror that may or may not make us conscious of sin/be aware of our sin

Nope not at all. There is a difference between known sin in a believers life and unknown sin or something that a believer may not know is sin until God reveals it to him in God's appointed time.

ACTS 17:30-31
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

JAMES 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27
 
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Its the same with the Levitical laws concerning clean/unclean foods. No seventh day Adventist became convicted to follow those laws from within, only by reading law written in ink. Paul plainly tells us all food is clean for the new covenant believer, but sda refuse to accept it, for they(partially) follow the written code. If it is sin for believers to eat the Levitical unclean foods, the leaders of the first century Christian church gave gentile converts a licence to sin(Acts ch15)

ROMANS 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How can you know God's WORD if you do not have God's WORD? How can you have faith if you do not know God's WORD?

Open up a new thread if you wish to discuss the dietry laws. I will be happy to comment further.
 
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Good to repeat this. Not one seventh day Adventist was firstly convicted from within they must follow a specific Saturday sabbath. They only came to that conclusion by firstly reading what is written in ink, that is not where the law is for the believer. Which proves, the Spirit of the living God did not write, as written the fourth commandment on any believers heart or mind

I agree with you and Jesus that "the sabbath was created for man and not man for the sabbath." Jesus himself was chastised for working on the sabbath:
"And therefore* did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them: 'My Father worketh hitherto*, and I work.' Therefore* the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:16-18)

Mark 2:23-28 23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath."


So when one takes the stance that ALL have to live by the sabbath, they are in effect standing there with the Jews accusing Jesus of sinning. And the Father obviously disagrees with those who take that stance, because if He didn't, Jesus would not be the sinless Lamb and we'd still be in our sin.

That being said, God may direct individuals to maintain a sabbath or that sabbath. So, I don't agree that God would never write it on anyone's heart. But, I also don't believe because one feels an urge to honor that sabbath, that one has a right to enforce it on others who don't feel that leading. That is creating a yoke. Peter and James apparently were honoring the sabbath and other laws of Moses, because there weren't any issues with them going into the temple, like there were with Paul going in. Do you know for certain that they were sinning against the Holy Spirit by honoring that sabbath? We all have different purposes in the body of Christ, just like body parts have different purposes.
 
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I agree with you and Jesus that "the sabbath was created for man and not man for the sabbath." Jesus himself was chastised for working on the sabbath:
"And therefore* did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them: 'My Father worketh hitherto*, and I work.' Therefore* the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:16-18)

Mark 2:23-28 23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath."


So when one takes the stance that ALL have to live by the sabbath, they are in effect standing there with the Jews accusing Jesus of sinning. And the Father obviously disagrees with those who take that stance, because if He didn't, Jesus would not be the sinless Lamb and we'd still be in our sin.

That being said, God may direct individuals to maintain a sabbath or that sabbath. So, I don't agree that God would never write it on anyone's heart. But, I also don't believe because one feels an urge to honor that sabbath, that one has a right to enforce it on others who don't feel that leading. That is creating a yoke. Peter and James apparently were honoring the sabbath and other laws of Moses, because there weren't any issues with them going into the temple, like there were with Paul going in. Do you know for certain that they were sinning against the Holy Spirit by honoring that sabbath? We all have different purposes in the body of Christ, just like body parts have different purposes.

Jesus never broke God's 4th commandment and doing good on the Sabbath is not breaking it.

In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2; Luke 6:1-2).

Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matthew 12:12)

Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

Exodus 20
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Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
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Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
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But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
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For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Nope not at all. There is a difference between known sin in a believers life and unknown sin or something that a believer may not know is sin until God reveals it to him in God's appointed time.

ACTS 17:30-31
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

JAMES 4:17 Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The Law is indeed also a mirror to how us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by faith. *JAMES 1:23.

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW. If we break any one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. *HEBREWS 10:26-27
Acts 17:30 refers to the old covenant, and James4;17 does not refer to the law written in your mind and heart.
However, as you believe Christians can unknowingly break the law in their heart and mind, you have to believe:
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin.
Not scriptural I am afraid under the new covenant
 
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ROMANS 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How can you know God's WORD if you do not have God's WORD? How can you have faith if you do not know God's WORD?

Open up a new thread if you wish to discuss the dietry laws. I will be happy to comment further.
Yep, the bible is written in ink, and we read the bible, but the law God desires us to follow is not a law written in ink for the believer, but one written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God.
You are welcome to comment anywhere about clean/unclean foods, but if it is sin for believers to eat the Levitical unclean foods, the first century Christian church gave believers a licence to sin, that must be unarguable
 
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ROMANS 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How can you know God's WORD if you do not have God's WORD? How can you have faith if you do not know God's WORD?

Open up a new thread if you wish to discuss the dietry laws. I will be happy to comment further.

I love God's Word, but if you want to be under The Law, go for it. I am convinced by the God and Father of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through the counseling, comforting and guiding of the Holy Spirit (who leads me into all Truth) and the Word of God that I am not under The Law. You won't convince me otherwise.
 
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I love God's Word, but if you want to be under The Law, go for it. I am convinced by the God and Father of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through the counseling, comforting and guiding of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God that I am not under The Law. You won't convince me otherwise.

Your only "UNDER THE LAW" if you stand before God and are guilty of breaking it.

ROMANS 3:19-20
[19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

None have God's Spirit while knowingly breaking God's LAW *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 10:26-27. In order to receive God's Spirit you need to be born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4
 
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I agree with you and Jesus that "the sabbath was created for man and not man for the sabbath." Jesus himself was chastised for working on the sabbath:
"And therefore* did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them: 'My Father worketh hitherto*, and I work.' Therefore* the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:16-18)

Mark 2:23-28 23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath."


So when one takes the stance that ALL have to live by the sabbath, they are in effect standing there with the Jews accusing Jesus of sinning. And the Father obviously disagrees with those who take that stance, because if He didn't, Jesus would not be the sinless Lamb and we'd still be in our sin.

That being said, God may direct individuals to maintain a sabbath or that sabbath. So, I don't agree that God would never write it on anyone's heart. But, I also don't believe because one feels an urge to honor that sabbath, that one has a right to enforce it on others who don't feel that leading. That is creating a yoke. Peter and James apparently were honoring the sabbath and other laws of Moses, because there weren't any issues with them going into the temple, like there were with Paul going in. Do you know for certain that they were sinning against the Holy Spirit by honoring that sabbath? We all have different purposes in the body of Christ, just like body parts have different purposes.
Law written on the heart and mind is not disputable, in other words, you cannot choose whether to follow it or not. Other things are disputable, in regard to you may choose whichever view to take concerning them:
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarrelling over disputable matters.
Romans14:1

Two disputable matters are mentioned in the chapter:

One person considers one day more sacred/holy than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. verse5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. verse14

All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. verse20
 
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