THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Yes. I am familiar with the passage.
I suppose you think I am picking verses out of context with no knowledge of their whole-passage meaning.

- The Pharisees caught Jesus disciples violating the Sabbath. This qualifies as "any instance of the Apostles breaking the Sabbath day", therefore I win. (hooray)
- Jesus explains by citing another unlawful act which implicates himself. (David and his companions)
- In a synoptic passage he also uses the example of the priests desecrating the Sabbath with their work.
- Then Jesus gives an insight that a Sabbatarian would never teach. Man was not made for the Sabbath.

Sabbath was made for man which is what he was showing, it was only by tradition that people came to think you could do no good on the Sabbath day(that man was made for the Sabbath). That is to say you could not do the Lord's work, or in this case feed yourself when hungry/starving. But as was shown there was precedent to be blameless for these things. The part where he said they were guiltless.

Now if Christ had broken the Law(and was not guiltless as he said and we are told) then he is not the messiah.

So do you believe he broke the law? Or was he guiltless as he said?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

It was a question. Why do you treat the Mosaic law as if it was not God-breathed? (inspired)

Again I never said that it wasn't the word of God. Only that it was written by Moses's own hand in ink by the Instruction of God. Then afterward man introduced their own traditions through the Pharisees.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Mosaic law. Exodus chapter twenty and Deuteronomy chapter five. Were you a slave in Egypt? Maybe you don't remember.

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

I agree, the Moral law was in effect at the same time as the Mosaic law. Scripture has said as much, and I have admitted as much.

No but I was a slave to sin before Christ, if you were wondering.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree, the Moral law was in effect at the same time as the Mosaic law. Scripture has said as much, and I have admitted as much.

No but I was a slave to sin before Christ, if you were wondering.

Its going to be a hard discussion for you brother StephenDiscipleofYHWH. The other stephen and some of his friends believes God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished therefore has no knowledge of sin *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

MAy God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[klutedavid]

That's a GREAT point.
Most people don't understand that the books in our new testament were chosen from all of the writings of the early church. They chose a set of books to consider, and then the accepted texts were canonized into our New Testament. There was a council that voted them in or out. The book of James almost didn't make it into the Bible. It had many negative votes.

Many seem to have the idea that the writings of the early church happened after "the close" of the new testament writings. That's not how it happened.

Yes, the opposite is true of course.

Thus, while there was a good measure of debate in the Early Church over the New Testament canon, the major writings were accepted by almost all Christians by the middle of the 3rd century. (wikipedia)

Athanasius, a 4th-century bishop of Alexandria and a significant theologian, delimited the canon and settled the strife between East and West. On a principle of inclusiveness, both Revelation and Hebrews (as part of the Pauline corpus) were accepted. The 27 books of the New Testament—and they only—were declared canonical. (Encyclopedia Britannica, N.T. canon)

So it took around two hundred years to assemble the New Testament canon.

 

[Saint Steven]

Sabbath was made for man which is what he was showing, it was only by tradition that people came to think you could do no good on the Sabbath day(that man was made for the Sabbath). That is to say you could not do the Lord's work, or in this case feed yourself when hungry/starving. But as was shown there was precedent to be blameless for these things. The part where he said they were guiltless.

Now if Christ had broken the Law(and was not guiltless as he said and we are told) then he is not the messiah.

So do you believe he broke the law? Or was he guiltless as he said?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Jesus said he was Lord even of the Sabbath.
It was his call to set it aside.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's a GREAT point.
Most people don't understand that the books in our new testament were chosen from all of the writings of the early church. They chose a set of books to consider, and then the accepted texts were canonized into our New Testament. There was a council that voted them in or out. The book of James almost didn't make it into the Bible. It had many negative votes.

Many seem to have the idea that the writings of the early church happened after "the close" of the new testament writings. That's not how it happened.

Yes and no one rejects the decision of the church council that circumcision is no longer necessary. There were no scriptures to refer to when they made the decision.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes and no one rejects the decision of the church council that circumcision is no longer necessary. There were no scriptures to refer to when they made the decision.

Yes. Asking men to observe the Sabbath was one thing, but circumcision, that gets personal. It was a definite, "Hey, can we talk about this?" moment. You have to draw the line somewhere. Gentiles were not to be under the law. No circumcision and no Sabbath.

Acts chapter fifteen (the Jerusalem Council) came after Acts chapter ten (the house of Cornelius).

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Its going to be a hard discussion for you brother StephenDiscipleofYHWH. The other stephen and some of his friends believes God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished therefore has no knowledge of sin *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

MAy God help you as you seek him through his Word.

May God help and guide you as well brother.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Jesus said he was Lord even of the Sabbath.
It was his call to set it aside.

Brother,
Show where the Lord said the words"The Sabbath day is Abolished". If you can't do this brother then there is no way I can accept your point of view, and no matter what I say or what scripture I use you will not accept mine.

I love you brother may the Lord someday bring you to the truth and light of his word.

 

[JLB777]

1. Did he preach Christ crucified on this day? Did he Study the Doctrine of God, God's Holy word on this day? Were two or more Gathered in the Lord's name? Did he do any work other than that of the Lord's on this Sabbath day?

Did the Church gather in synagogues to worship Jesus ?


Did Christ or His Apostles command the Church to gather in synagogues on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.


Did Christ forbid the Church from gathering on any other day of the week to worship Jesus.


Are some people supposed to work on the Sabbath, ministering will others rest?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Show where the Lord said the words"The Sabbath day is Abolished".

The Sabbath as a day of rest is not abolished.

The way the Sabbath is observed under the law of Moses is what is abolished.


Unless you have some New Testament scriptures that command those who work on the Sabbath to be put to death, then hopefully you can see the truth.


JLB

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

The Sabbath as a day of rest is not abolished.

The way the Sabbath is observed under the law of Moses is what is abolished.


Unless you have some New Testament scriptures that command those who work on the Sabbath to be put to death, then hopefully you can see the truth.


JLB

I agree the way those who were under the Mosaic law kept the Sabbath is done away with. That is to say the Traditions added to the Sabbath law were done away. We now keep the Sabbath day as intended, and as described in the New Testament.

No New Testament Scripture says that about any of God's laws. Our punishment for sin is eternal damnation, the Second death.

 

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Did the Church gather in synagogues to worship Jesus ?


Did Christ or His Apostles command the Church to gather in synagogues on the Sabbath to worship Jesus.


Did Christ forbid the Church from gathering on any other day of the week to worship Jesus.


Are some people supposed to work on the Sabbath, ministering will others rest?




JLB

They gathered in the Lord's name, so he was present. I believe you have already read the quote on that one.

We as Christians can gather anywhere we want to on the Sabbath(or not Gather at all for that matter) so long as we are doing the Lord's work on this day and not our own.

Not at all, though he did set aside this day of rest as the Sabbath day. Any other day of the week we may gather for the Lord but at the same time we can also work for our own personal/monetary gain.

Doing the Lord's work(no matter what it is) is exactly what we are all supposed to be doing on this day. Some preach, some teach, some study, some do good deeds helping the elderly(or anyone else in need) Glorifying the Lord the whole time asking for nothing, but it is a day of rest from our own personal works which we do every other day for our own gain and not for the sake of God alone.

 

[JLB777]

I agree the way those who were under the Mosaic law kept the Sabbath is done away with. That is to say the Traditions added to the Sabbath law were done away. We now keep the Sabbath day as intended, and as described in the New Testament.

I agree with you.

Let’s use what Jesus and His Apostles commanded us to do concerning the way we are to observe the Sabbath.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5


And again


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


Here Paul gives us instructions concerning the Sabbath.


The Sabbaths in the law was to point us to Christ, Who is the substance of the Sabbath.


If you would like to examine some scriptures as to how men of God went about keeping and observing the Sabbath before the law of Moses, then we could study those scriptures as well.

I would like that Abraham would be a good example to study since the Lord said this about him -


And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis 26:4-5



JLB

 

[JLB777]

No New Testament Scripture says that about any of God's laws. Our punishment for sin is eternal damnation, the Second death.

The New Testament is filled with admonition and warning concerning the commandments.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5

Obeying His commandments is how we love God and love His children.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:3


JLB

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree with you.

Let’s use what Jesus and His Apostles commanded us to do concerning the way we are to observe the Sabbath.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5


And again


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


Here Paul gives us instructions concerning the Sabbath.


The Sabbaths in the law was to point us to Christ, Who is the substance of the Sabbath.


If you would like to examine some scriptures as to how men of God went about keeping and observing the Sabbath before the law of Moses, then we could study those scriptures as well.

I would like that Abraham would be a good example to study since the Lord said this about him -


And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis 26:4-5

JLB

Hello JBL,

*Where does it say in God's WORD that Jesus is a Sabbath? (Scripture please).

*Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

There is no mention of God's 4th Commandment in ROMANS 14. It is talking about days that men esteem over others not days that God esteems and the focus is about eating and not eating on these day.

*Where is the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about the God's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

You are correct Genesis 26:5 is a good scripture about God's people following his LAWS.
If you cannot find any scriptures to the questions above then it is something to think about don't you think?

Hope this is helpful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The New Testament is filled with admonition and warning concerning the commandments.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5

Obeying His commandments is how we love God and love His children.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:3


JLB

Indeed, then there is no excuse for anyone to break God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments written with the finger of God on two tables of stone and spoken personally by God to his people. *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16.

 

[JLB777]

Indeed, then there is no excuse for anyone to break God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments written with the finger of God on two tables of stone and spoken personally by God to his people. *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16.

If you fail to put to death those who work on the Sabbath then you are violating His commandment concerning the Sabbath.

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15


Anyone who attempts to keep any part of the law of Moses and doesn’t keep all the law is under a curse.


JLB

 

[JLB777]

Hello JBL,

*Where does it say in God's WORD that Jesus is a Sabbath? (Scripture please).

*Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

There is no mention of God's 4th Commandment in ROMANS 14. It is talking about days that men esteem over others not days that God esteems and the focus is about eating and not eating on these day.

*Where is the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about the God's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

You are correct Genesis 26:5 is a good scripture about God's people following his LAWS.
If you cannot find any scriptures to the questions above then it is something to think about don't you think?

Hope this is helpful.

Here is what I said -

The Sabbaths in the law was to point us to Christ, Who is the substance of the Sabbath.


Here is the scripture that validated what I said.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


JLB