Glow surrounds Solar System (fishbowl boundary?)

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Simply put, the "elements" of abiogenesis mechanisms are a series of credible chemical reactions driven by physical conditions.

The fable of abiogenesis involves what things were like long long long ago on earth. Your use of present forces and nature to model what it was like (and omission of God and creation) tells us what you believe, nothing else.

 

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They look at how it is on earth and the fishbowl area. ....

24 August 2018 dad: A lie about the meaning of circular reasoning (again?) and a possible lie that he knows anything about the tests of the fine structure constant.

30 August 2018 dad: Repeats a lie about the testing of the fine structure constant being circular
The test is to see if there is a difference of spectra from distant stars and galaxies from local spectra.

 

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Try to phrase your fables and claims appropriately.....

30 August 2018 dad: A "based on certain beliefs" lie about the Sun being a hot gas (plasma).
Sun.

30 August 2018 dad: An "arbitrary classification...faith" of stars lie.
Stellar classification.

30 August 2018 dad: A "Fusion is your explanation of what stars are all about" ignorance.
Nuclear fusion powers stars such as the Sun in science. It would be deluded to deny the evidence that stars are powered by fusion (there are extremely deluded people who do just that and more!).

 

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The fable of abiogenesis involves what things were like long long long ago on earth. Your use of present forces and nature to model what it was like (and omission of God and creation) tells us what you believe, nothing else.

30 August 2018 dad: "fable of abiogenesis", laws of physics being different in the past delusions.
The Earth did not exist > 4.6 billion years ago. The Earth did not have life until ~ 4 billion years ago. Thus life has an origin on Earth. This is called abiogenesis .

We have good evidence that the laws of physics have not changed in the Solar System from what they were in the past. We know that gravity has not changed much because Earth has been in the habitable zone of the Sun for the ~4 billion years since life formed. We know that nuclear physics, etc. has not changed much because the Sun has acted as models predict, e.g. has not frozen or fried the Earth! The Oklo natural nuclear fission reactor confirmed nuclear physics back to 1.7 billion years ago.

10 items of scientific evidence that time runs about the same rate in far space as it does in the Solar System.

 

[dad]

... a lie about the testing of the fine structure constant being circular
The test is to see if there is a difference of spectra from distant stars and galaxies from local spectra.

No. Once the light gets here it is here. It operates the way it has to here. It tells us what it is like here.

 

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"based on certain beliefs" lie about the Sun being a hot gas (plasma).
Sun.

What you think abot the origins of the sun and how it works is riddled with beliefs.

30 August 2018 dad: An "arbitrary classification...faith" of stars lie.
Stellar classification.

Point out to us something in your link that shows classification of stars is anything but arbitrary.

Nuclear fusion powers stars such as the Sun in science.

Prove it.

From YOUR link

"The Sun is roughly middle-aged; it has not changed dramatically for more than four billion[a] years, and will remain fairly stable for more than another five billion years. It currently fuses about 600 million tons of hydrogen into helium every second, converting 4 million tons of matter into energy every second as a result. This energy, which can take between 10,000 and 170,000 years to escape from its core, is the source of the Sun's light and heat. In about 5 billion years, when hydrogen fusion in its core has diminished to the point at which the Sun is no longer in hydrostatic equilibrium, the core of the Sun will experience a marked increase in density and temperature while its outer layers expand to eventually become a red giant."

Total baloney and bad religion.

 

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No. Once the light gets here it is here. It operates the way it has to here. It tells us what it is like here.

7 September 2017 dad: A "It tells us what it is like here" delusion.
We measure the light from stars and galaxies here. That light has travelled to us from those stars and galaxies. This tells us about the light that was emitted by this stars and galaxies in far space. !
We compare the spectra of this light emitted from far away stars and galaxies to light emitted here on Earth. The differences give us any change in the fine structure constant.

 

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What you think abot the origins of the sun and how it works is riddled with beliefs......

7 September 2018 dad: A "riddled with beliefs" lie about the formation and working of the Sun.
Nebula hypothesis !
Sun !

 

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Prove it.
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Total baloney and bad religion

7 September 2018 dad: A "Prove it" lie when I linked to the Wikipedia Sun article that he quotes from.

7 September 2018 dad: A deluded "Total baloney and bad religion" statement after he quotes valid science which is not religion.

1. The Sun has "not changed dramatically for more than four billion years" because the Earth has had life for up to 4 billion years !
2. The Sun is powered by fusion and we can calculate the amount of fusion that produces its output, thus about 600 million tons of hydrogen into helium every second.
3. Light from that fusion eventually escapes from the Sun as anyone with eyes can see !
   The fusion produces gamma rays. These are absorbed by plasma and reemitted. This scatters the light and makes a long zigzag path to the solar surface. Thus "between 10,000 and 170,000 years to escape from its core".
4. Children know that heating a gas makes it expand.
   This is analogous to what will happen in the future. When the Sun starts to run out of hydrogen to burn, it will cool and collapse because of a little thing called gravity. That will allow other, hotter fusion mechanisms to begin and dominate. The Sun will expand and become a red giant.
5. The red giant phase is temporary.
   

   It is calculated that the Sun will become sufficiently large to engulf the current orbits of Mercury and Venus, and render Earth uninhabitable. After this, it will shed its outer layers and become a dense type of cooling star known as a white dwarf, which no longer produces energy by fusion, but still glows and gives off heat from its previous fusion.

Sun

The Sun is roughly middle-aged; it has not changed dramatically for more than four billion[a] years, and will remain fairly stable for more than another five billion years. It currently fuses about 600 million tons of hydrogen into helium every second, converting 4 million tons of matter into energy every second as a result. This energy, which can take between 10,000 and 170,000 years to escape from its core, is the source of the Sun's light and heat. In about 5 billion years, when hydrogen fusion in its core has diminished to the point at which the Sun is no longer in hydrostatic equilibrium, the core of the Sun will experience a marked increase in density and temperature while its outer layers expand to eventually become a red giant.

 

[dad]

We measure the light from stars and galaxies here.

Got that right! HERE!

That light has travelled to us from those stars and galaxies. This tells us about the light that was emit

It tells us absolutely nothing about what time is like there! That means you have no possible way to determine distances to stars.

We compare the spectra of this light emitted from far away stars and galaxies to light emitted here on Earth. The differences give us any change in the fine structure constant.

No you do not. You look at all light HERE. Only here. Always here. Never anywhere else. You measure here. The light from anywhere else is only seen here. The rules of what spectra mean are understood from only here and what light means/does/behaves here.

I kid you not.

 

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7 September 2018 dad: A "riddled with beliefs" lie about the formation and working of the Sun.
Nebula hypothesis !
Sun !

Sorry if you actually think you KNOW how the sun and it's interior and past work/worked. No way.

 

[dad]

1. The Sun has "not changed dramatically for more than four billion years" because the Earth has had life for up to 4 billion years !

Says you based on squat. You lived what, sixty or seventy years? You are in no position to tell us what went on in some unknown past. You have godless theories that have no possible way of being proven.

Never.

1. The Sun is powered by fusion and we can calculate the amount of fusion that produces its output, thus about 600 million tons of hydrogen into helium every second.

Producing stuff does not mean fusion existed for billions of years! Nor does it mean the interior of the sun is as your religion claims. Nor does it mean the sun was created as your religion claims.

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   [*]Light from that fusion eventually escapes from the Sun as anyone with eyes can see !
   The fusion produces gamma rays. These are absorbed by plasma and reemitted. This scatters the light and makes a long zigzag path to the solar surface. Thus "between 10,000 and 170,000 years to escape from its core".

   False.

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   You express a belief. Nothing about any zig or zag is evidence for what your fables claim.

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   Children know that heating a gas makes it expand.

   Naturally gas expands when heated and we expect this in the exterior of the sun. Nothing at all to do with your godless fable.

1. This is analogous to what will happen in the future. When the Sun starts to run out of hydrogen to burn, it will cool and collapse because of a little thing called gravity. That will allow other, hotter fusion mechanisms to begin and dominate. The Sun will expand and become a red giant.

   False prophesy! Really.

1. The red giant phase is temporary.

Sun

In your religion maybe. That is a total fabrication and not based on knowledge or fact.

 

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Looks like we have:
A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies ("Glow surrounds Solar System (fishbowl boundary?)")

1. 15 August 2018 dad: Abysmal ignorance yet again about what science is (ever changing is good, not guesses, not a "belief set").
2. 15 August 2018 dad: A lie about science which does not "conform the universe" to any "philosophy and belief set".
3. 15 August 2018 dad: Repeats his science is religion ("religiously to it's beliefs") lie.
4. 15 August 2018 dad: A "fishbowl philosophy" lie because he knows that physics has been tested outside of the Solar System.
5. 20 August 2018 dad: "Circular nonsense" lie about the search for variation in the fine structure constant.
6. 20 August 2018 dad: A "Speaking of the sun, your idea of that is wrong" delusion.
7. 20 August 2018 dad: An insulting "Satanistic cunning fable manufacturing elements of what is included as science" rant.
8. 24 August 2018 dad: A lie about the meaning of circular reasoning (again?) and a possible lie that he knows anything about the tests of the fine structure constant.
9. 24 August 2018 dad: A "Reciting a fable doesn't make it true" lie and his fishbowl delusion.
10. 24 August 2018 dad: A delusion that chemistry and physics are is religious beliefs!
11. 30 August 2018 dad: Repeats a lie about the testing of the fine structure constant being circular
12. 30 August 2018 dad: A "based on certain beliefs" lie about the Sun being a hot gas (plasma).
    
13. 30 August 2018 dad: An "arbitrary classification...faith" of stars lie.
    
14. 30 August 2018 dad: A "Fusion is your explanation of what stars are all about" ignorance.
15. 30 August 2018 dad: "fable of abiogenesis", laws of physics being different in the past delusions.
16. 7 September 2017 dad: A "It tells us what it is like here" delusion (it is light emitted from stars!).
17. 7 September 2018 dad: A "riddled with beliefs" lie about the formation and working of the Sun.
18. 7 September 2018 dad: A "Prove it" lie when I linked to the Wikipedia Sun article that he quotes from.
19. 7 September 2018 dad: A deluded "Total baloney and bad religion" statement after he quotes valid science which is not religion.

Also see: A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies ("Influences of stars on earth..such as neutrinos")

 

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Looks like we have:
A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies ("Glow surrounds Solar System (fishbowl boundary?)")

1. 15 August 2018 dad: Abysmal ignorance yet again about what science is (ever changing is good, not guesses, not a "belief set").

1. https://www.christianforums.com/thr...ishbowl-boundary.8076970/page-2#post-73063319 Your opinion.

1. 15 August 2018 dad: A lie about science which does not "conform the universe" to any "philosophy and belief set".

It interprets data using certain criteria. The results are beliefs..added to beliefs..added to beliefs...etc.

1. 15 August 2018 dad: Repeats his science is religion ("religiously to it's beliefs") lie.

   Beliefs and rituals make it religion.

1. 15 August 2018 dad: A "fishbowl philosophy" lie because he knows that physics has been tested outside of the Solar System.

No. Only here in the fishbowl actually. Besides, time is not physics.

1. 20 August 2018 dad: "Circular nonsense" lie about the search for variation in the fine structure constant.

   What makes up the FSC is well known and you were told what that was. Things like 'C'. To assume these things are the same in the far universe demands evidence which you lack.

1. 20 August 2018 dad: A "Speaking of the sun, your idea of that is wrong" delusion.

Glib little statement of faith changes nothing.

1. 20 August 2018 dad: An insulting "Satanistic cunning fable manufacturing elements of what is included as science" rant.

The bible tells us about who created and who lies. Measure the origin fables of creation by science up to the bible and see what they resemble.

1. 24 August 2018 dad: A lie about the meaning of circular reasoning (again?) and a possible lie that he knows anything about the tests of the fine structure constant.

If you have some tests of the FSC that apply to deep space do post them. Until then, I guess keep pretending you are refuting my posts!

1. 24 August 2018 dad: A "Reciting a fable doesn't make it true" lie and his fishbowl delusion.

? You think reciting ones does make it true then??

1. 24 August 2018 dad: A delusion that chemistry and physics are is religious beliefs!

   When you try to apply them to the unknown reaches of creation, they lose significance.
   

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   [*]30 August 2018 dad: A "based on certain beliefs" lie about the Sun being a hot gas (plasma).

   Prove the inside of the sun is like that.

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1. 30 August 2018 dad: "fable of abiogenesis", laws of physics being different in the past delusions.

Claiming they were the same as now or that they were not as a science claim requires real evidence. You have none.

1. 7 September 2017 dad: A "It tells us what it is like here" delusion (it is light emitted from stars!).

   And seen here! Always here. Only here.

1. 7 September 2018 dad: A "riddled with beliefs" lie about the formation and working of the Sun.

Pretend you can prove how the sun was formed all you like.

1. 7 September 2018 dad: A "Prove it" lie when I linked to the Wikipedia Sun article that he quotes from.

   You thought the article proved something? Ha.

1. 7 September 2018 dad: A deluded "Total baloney and bad religion" statement after he quotes valid science which is not religion.

Rather than calling it NOT baloney you need to defend it.

Also see: A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies ("Influences of stars on earth..such as neutrinos")

No thanks. Some of us realized long ago your dated little spam posts are empty of content, and merely an attempted show of intellectualism.

 

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1. Your opinion. ...

Mostly repeated irrelevancy, ignorance and a lie.
24 September 2018 dad: Repeats abysmal ignorance about what science is.
15 August 2018 dad: Abysmal ignorance yet again about what science is (ever changing is good, not guesses, not a "belief set").

24 September 2018 dad: A lying "If you have some tests of the FSC that apply to deep space do post them" question when I posted them.
24 August 2018 dad: A lie about the meaning of circular reasoning (again?) and a possible lie that he knows anything about the tests of the fine structure constant.

 

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1. 24 September 2018 dad: Repeats abysmal ignorance about what science is.

1. Your opinion of what origin sciences are is just that, your opinion. You have not shown the basic foundations of origin claims to be anything more than beliefs.

24 September 2018 dad: A lying "If you have some tests of the FSC that apply to deep space do post them" question when I posted them.

No. You did not. You posted off target spam nonsense.

24 August 2018 dad: A lie about the meaning of circular reasoning (again?) and a possible lie that he knows anything about the tests of the fine structure constant.

Looking at what the FSC is based on, it is circular and absolutely not applicable except by faith to deep space. Go ahead, demonstrate otherwise. I double dare you.

 

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Your opinion of what origin sciences are is just that, your opinion.

4 October 2018 dad: A "Your opinion of what origin sciences are" lie when evolution is science and abiogenesis is science.

 

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You posted off target spam nonsense.

4 October 2018 dad: Multiple "posted off target spam nonsense" lies.
He lied on 15 August 2018 dad: A "fishbowl philosophy" lie because he knows that physics has been tested outside of the Solar System.
when he knew about my list of
10 items of scientific evidence that time runs about the same rate in far space as it does in the Solar System.

I added a clear test of physics of light emitted from stars outside of the solar system, e.g. whether the fine structure constant changes (Time-variation of fundamental constants).
It is a lie that this is off topic.
It is a lie that this is spam.
It is a lie that this is nonsense.
It is a blatant lie that the FSC test is circular when it is obviously linear:

1. The fine structure constant controls the fine structure of spectra.
2. A change of the fine structure of spectra will show that the fine structure constant varies.
3. Analyze light from distant stars.
4. If the spectral fine structure changes then we have evidence of FSC changing. If the spectral fine structure does not change then we have upper limits for the variation of the FSC.
5. A 2008 result is that spectral fine structure is the same in distant stars as it is here and thus gives "an upper bound on time variation of 10−17 per year".

A growing list of items of unaddressed ignorance, fantasy and some lies ("Glow surrounds Solar System (fishbowl boundary?)")

 

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The proton-to-electron mass ratio has an upper bound of 10−7 over a period of 7 billion years.

 

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The gravitational constant has an upper bound of less than 10−10 per year over the last 9 billion years.