ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[Saint Steven]

I am quite confident that the correct answer is nowhere.

Exactly my point. Thanks.

The title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the new testament. It's that important.

 

[expos4ever]

Exactly my point. Thanks.

The title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the new testament. It's that important.

It's also important to look at extra-Biblical sources. Now I suspect that some of a fundamentalist persuasion will howl in protest. From my reading - and I concede I am no expert - I understand that second-temple period Jews treated the Law of Moses as basically a unified whole.

Another key point is this: even if we understandably can "categorize" elements of the Law as "ceremonial" vs "moral" (for example), this gives us precisely zero warrant to think that references to "the Law" are specific to a particular sub-category. Without a powerful supporting case, such selectivity is entirely unjustified.

On another note: It appears that LGW does indeed make a case as to why the 10 really are "special". However, I find his arguments hard to follow. Assuming you have been carefully following things, perhaps you can explain to me what his argument is, even if, of course, you don't buy it.

 

[Saint Steven]

It's also important to look at extra-Biblical sources. Now I suspect that some of a fundamentalist persuasion will howl in protest. From my reading - and I concede I am no expert - I understand that second-temple period Jews treated the Law of Moses as basically a unified whole.

Another key point is this: even if we understandably can "categorize" elements of the Law as "ceremonial" vs "moral" (for example), this gives us precisely zero warrant to think that references to "the Law" are specific to a particular sub-category. Without a powerful supporting case, such selectivity is entirely unjustified.

On another note: It appears that LGW does indeed make a case as to why the 10 really are "special". However, I find his arguments hard to follow. Assuming you have been carefully following things, perhaps you can explain to me what his argument is, even if, of course, you don't buy it.

In short, mention of any of the Ten in the NT is taken as full support. No consideration is given to context. PM me for a complete answer. Thanks.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Exactly my point. Thanks.

The title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the new testament. It's that important.

Now Steve,

Are you trying to make an argument that if the words 'the ten commandments" are not used in a scripture despite the context of the scriptures talking about the 10 Commandments and naming them then they cannot be the ten commandments?

Well none of that is true at all. The scripture and within chapter context shows what laws are being discussed. EVERYONE of the scriptures posted to you in post # 662 linked click me, from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures states examples of at least one or more of the 10 Commandments.

So the topic and CONTEXT of proof is the 10 COMMANDMNENTS and there is a lot of scripture in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT that proves that if we break any of the 10 COMMANDMNENTS we commit sin.

Just because the word "the Ten Commandments" is not used within the scripture does not mean the scripture is not talking about the 10 Commandments as shown in every scriptures in post # 662 linked click me.

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are claiming things as the Ten Commandments for which you have no proof. Where does the Bible define "the law", or "God's law", or the "whole law" as the Ten Commandments?

I am sorry brother your arguing with God's WORD not mine if you disagree please prove it and respond to all the scriptures example provided from the OLD and NEW testament showing that to break any of God's 10 Commandments is sin. If you disagree simply stating your own words over God's WORD does not make God's WORD disappear.

Please see post # 662 linked click me.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That doesn't explain why the scriptures that I quote are NOT God's word, while the scriptures you quote ARE God's word?

Yes it does. The scriptures provided show that God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Your teaching and belief is that God's 10 Commandments are abolished. God's WORD does not teach this.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Just? You "just" present the "Word of God". You know that's not true. You put your own spin on it and then declare it is "God's WORD". Which is not true. Additionally you threaten other posters with God's judgement if they don't accept your opinions without question.
Just? I don't think so.

Sorry Steve, none of that is true. God's WORD disagrees with you in post # 662 linked click me. They are God's WORD'S not mine. If you disagree then prove it with scripture. So far you have provided your own words over God's WORD and have not adressed any scripture posted except to say it does not say what it says. Let me know when you have some scripture to share and prove your claims your making.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

May God help you as you as you seek him through his WORD

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oy.

Let's talk about Romans 7:7

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Is Paul referring to one of the 10 commandments here? Indeed he is.

Does this mean that the term "Law" here denotes the 10 commandments?

To borrow a phrase from Paul: Certainly not.

The Law is the Law of Moses. Period. Full stop. For the Jew, the Law of Moses was a monolothic thing - one block of 613 edicts from God that they are to follow.

Yes, Paul says that the Law - the Law of Moses - gave (past tense!) him knowledge of sin.

But that certainly does not mean the Law of Moses - including the 10 - are still in force and there is no other way for Paul to gain knowledge of sin!

In fact, not but 2 seconds earlier Paul has declared we no longer serve the Law! And, to boot, that we are now under the Spirit! One does not need a degree from Harvard to realize that the Spirit has the ability to do the job of letting us in on what is sin.

Also, the fact that Paul picks an example that happens to be one of 10 commandments does not mean he is magically changing the fact that "the Law" is all 613 elements of the Law of Moses!

Verily, all this causeth me to rend my garments......

Hello expos4ever,

Nice to see you again. I was not sure if this post was for me or not as I thought you did not want to discuss God's WORD with me?

I am sorry brother we will have to agree to disagree on this post you have made where you are trying to argue that because the words "the Ten Commandments" are not used it cannot be talking about the ten commandments.

As shown earlier, there are many laws in the bible. It is the scripture and chapter context and topic of discussion that determins the subject matter and what laws are being discussed. If the scriptures and subject matter is the Ten commandments you can know that the writer is talking about the ten commandments. The scripture topic and subject matter is posted in every scripture posted ealier and there is too many of them.

If you are trying to teach that breaking any of God's 10 Commandments is not sin please adress post #662 above linked click me. All your doing is arguing with God's WORD. All the scriptures provided in this post cite breaking specific example of the 10 Commandments as being SIN in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. To argue against this is to argue with God as it is his WORD not mine. You have been provided too many scriptures in the linked post yet you provide none to prove that breaking God's 10 Commandments is not sin.

Who should we beleive? The Word of God of the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God? Let me know when you have some scriptures to share.

Hope this is helpful

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

[Saint Steven]

Now Steve,

Are you trying to make an argument that if the words 'the ten commandments" are not used in a scripture despite the context of the scriptures talking about the 10 Commandments and naming them then they cannot be the ten commandments?

Well none of that is true at all. The scripture and within chapter context shows what laws are being discussed. EVERYONE of the scriptures posted to you in post # 662 linked click me, from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures states examples of at least one or more of the 10 Commandments.

So the topic and CONTEXT of proof is the 10 COMMANDMNENTS and there is a lot of scripture in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT that proves that if we break any of the 10 COMMANDMNENTS we commit sin.

Just because the word "the Ten Commandments" is not used within the scripture does not mean the scripture is not talking about the 10 Commandments as shown in every scriptures in post # 662 linked click me.

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

No, the context has always been of paramount importance in my comments. You don't have a leg to stand on, yet claim that "God's WORD disagrees" with me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, the context has always been of paramount importance in my comments. You don't have a leg to stand on, yet claim that "God's WORD disagrees" with[FONT=verdana,Arial,sans-serif] [/FONT]me.

That is not true Steve, that is why you were provided scriptures to your posts showing how you left out context from your interpretation of the scritpures. I do not stand on my legs. My stand is on the Word of God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[Saint Steven]

Sorry Steve, none of that is true. God's WORD disagrees with you in post # 662 linked click me. They are God's WORD'S not mine. If you disagree then prove it with scripture. So far you have provided your own words over God's WORD and have not adressed any scripture posted except to say it does not say what it says. Let me know when you have some scripture to share and prove your claims your making.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

May God help you as you as you seek him through his WORD

The burden of proof is on you, not me. Here's the problem you need to solve.

In your scriptural examples, the scope of commandments is in reference to the whole law (all 613 commandments). None of your examples is limited to the Ten. Do you have any examples that are statements specifically about the Ten, and nothing else? (context must confirm)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The burden of proof is on you, not me. Here's the problem you need to solve.

In your scriptural examples, the scope of commandments is in reference to the whole law (all 613 commandments). None of your examples is limited to the Ten. Do you have any examples that are statements specifically about the Ten, and nothing else? (context must confirm)

Well that is not true Steve, the scripture examples provided to you were specific to the 10 commandments not the 613. Each scripture example from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT was quoting one of more of the 10 Commandments.

Here is the thing. You have provided scripture proof in every scripture quoted in post #662 above linked click me, which cites at least one of more of the 10 commandments showing scripture context that states breaking God's 10 commandments is sin.

All you have are your own words in response trying to argue that because the words "the Ten Commandments" are not used in a scripture therefore the scripture cannot be referring to the Ten commandments despite the scripture quoting them and showing that the ten commandments are being referred to and breaking any one of them is sin.

You have been provided scripture proof you choose to ignore them. If you disagree then make your case and respond to post #662 above linked click me, where the scripture proof as already been provided.

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[Saint Steven]

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Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you.

You add that to the end of all your posts to me. It is simply not true. What makes your scripture quotes "God's WORD" and my scripture quotes not God's word?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You add that to the end of all your posts to me. It is simply not true. What makes your scripture quotes "God's WORD" and my scripture quotes not God's word?

Hi Steve, your asking the same question that has already been answered elswhere. Do you have any scriptures to share?

 

[Saint Steven]

Well that is not true Steve, ...

You add that to the beginning of your posts to me. How is it that your posts are true and my posts are not true?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You add that to the beginning of your posts to me. How is it that your posts are true and my posts are not true?

Steve it is only a precursor to what is to follow. The reason why is in the scriptures provided within the post that disagree with what you have stated.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hi Steve, your asking the same question that has already been answered elswhere. Do you have any scriptures to share?

I have already shared tons of scripture. Somehow you have determined that my scriptures are not "God's WORD", only your scriptures are.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have already shared tons of scripture. Somehow you have determined that my scriptures are not "God's WORD", only your scriptures are.

Not at all. All scripture is God's WORD but you need to consider prayerful context in order to have the correct interpretation. In earlier posts to you we have provided the context scriptures that you have not considered in your interpretation of the scriptures you posted that you believe support your teachings that God's 10 Commandments are abolished. God's WORD shows this interpretation of the scriptures is not true.

Hope this helps.

 

[Saint Steven]

Not at all. All scripture is God's WORD but you need to consider prayerful context in order to have the correct interpretation. In earlier posts to you we have provided the context scriptures that you have not considered in your interpretation of the scriptures you posted that you believe support your teachings that God's 10 Commandments are abolished. God's WORD shows this interpretation of the scriptures is not true.

Hope this helps.

Who is "we"?

So, you are claiming that my scripture posts are invalid due to a lack of "prayerful context"? That's ridiculous.

Hope this helps.

 

[Saint Steven]

Steve it is only a precursor to what is to follow. The reason why is in the scriptures provided within the post that disagree with what you have stated.

Well now, that is not true.