God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

[RealityCheck01]

Adam's firmament was only miles wide since it fit into Lake Van, Turkey, which is only 75 miles wide....

15 August 2018 Aman777: Give the Biblical statement of the size of the firmament being only 75 miles wide.
Genesis lists features around the Garden of Eden

Genesis 2:10–14 lists four rivers in association with the garden of Eden: Pishon, Gihon, Chidekel (the Tigris), and Phirat (the Euphrates). It also refers to the land of Cush—translated/interpreted as Ethiopia, but thought by some to equate to Cossaea, a Greek name for the land of the Kassites.[22] These lands lie north of Elam, immediately to the east of ancient Babylon, which, unlike Ethiopia, does lie within the region being described.[23] In Antiquities of the Jews, the first-century Jewish historian Josephus identifies the Pishon as what "the Greeks called Ganges" and the Geon (Gehon) as the Nile.[24]

Ethiopia is hundrreds of mles from the Tigris, etc. Presumably the author of Genesis would know that. God certainly knew how big the Earth was and the structure of the universe he created!

There is no physical firmament at all. God creates this firmament to divide some water from some other water. Hebrew astronomy has the standard ancient "sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets and stars embedded in it" cosmology. This is wrong. The Earth orbits the Sun. The planets orbit the Sun. Planets, stars and galaxies have vastly different distances from the Sun.

 

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

God's Timeline
14+ Billion years ago God makes Adam's Earth Gen 1:9-10 Day 3
14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4 Day 3
13.8 Billion years ago The Big Bang of our Cosmos occurs. Day 3
4.53 Billion years ago The present Earth is formed Gen 2:4 Day 5
3.77 Billion years ago Universal Common Ancestor appears in water Gen 1:21 Day 5

5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4 Day 5

11 Thousand years ago Noah brings Human (descendants of Adam) civilization to planet Earth on the Ark. Gen 8:4 Noah's grandsons marry prehistoric people and produce today's Humans Day 6

Soon, Jesus returns at Armageddon, rules Earth for a thousand years, and the 6th Day/Age ends Gen 1:31
The 7th Day, the Age of Joy, begins Gen 2:1-3 Amen?

How about this:
Day 1 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates light.
Day 2 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God forms the sky.
Day 3 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God forms the land, seas, and plants.
Day 4 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates the sun, moon, and stars.
Day 5 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates the fish and the birds.
Day 6 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates land animals and mankind.
Day 7 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God rests.

Straight from the Bible. Why believe in evolution?

 

[RealityCheck01]

...Why believe in evolution?

Obviously because there is enormous evidence for evolution and that timeline is physically impossible. The age of the universe is 13.8 billion years. The age of the Earth is 4.6 billion years. We have trees older than 7000 years. Carbon dating gives reliable dates for organic material as older than 7000 years. Anyone who can count can count ~55,000 annual layers in ice cores and analysis gives up to 70,000 years.

You even have the date off by 1000 years. Estimates include around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC.

 

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

Obviously because there is enormous evidence for evolution and that timeline is physically impossible. The age of the universe is 13.8 billion years. The age of the Earth is 4.6 billion years. We have trees older than 7000 years. Carbon dating gives reliable dates for organic material as older than 7000 years. Anyone who can count can count ~55,000 annual layers in ice cores and analysis gives up to 70,000 years.

You even have the date off by 1000 years. Estimates include around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC.

Contrary to popular belief, radiometric dating may not be entirely accurate. Here's why: https://answersingenesis.org/geolog...ometric-dating-problems-with-the-assumptions/
Also, my calculations are based entirely on the Bible, and in some cases, the Septuagint Bible, which adds one hundred years to each descendant of Shem between the flood and Abraham, as compared to the Masoretic Text. Other calculations take archaeological estimates into account, which, like radiometric dating, is a historical science, not an observable science. There is a difference. Historical sciences make guesses about the past because one cannot observe what actually happened.

 

[Aman777]

"Metallic-like," or metallic?

Because I got to tell you, if there were large chunks of metal or metal-like substances in or under Lake Van, they would have been found by now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromagnetic_survey

Let me guess -- they have been found, but there's a massive scientific conspiracy (orchestrated by ol' Beelzebub himself, no less) to hide this discovery?

The Hebrew word for firmament is raqiya'. It comes from the Hebrew root raqa` which means:

The KJV translates Strong's H7554 in the following manner: spread... (6x),stamp (2x), stretch (1x), beat (1x), made broad (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to beat, stamp, beat out, spread out, stretch
   
   
   1. (Qal)
      1. to stamp, beat out
         one who beats out (participle) (Piel) to overlay, beat out (for plating)
   2. (Pual) beaten out (participle) (Hiphil) to make a spreading (of clouds)

The word indicates a spreading, a beating out, like a metallic object, BUT since it's not from our planet, it's not certain if it is actually metallic or some other material.

Child's play for a magnetometer... if there was a huge, wok-shaped piece of firmament under the lake...

When the Lake was drilled, they didn't drill the northern portion of the Lake. If they had, we might have a piece of an object from another Universe. Someone should scan the Lake with a magnetometer. Thanks for your insight.

 

[Aman777]

Repeating a fact less fantasy is not good, Aman777.
Genesis chapter one speaks of yowm which means day time or a day or a year or a period of time and includes "night", "evening", "morning" and "one day".
15 August 2018 Aman777: A "yown" is billions of years fantasy when the full context in Genesis gives 24 hour days.

Since we STILL live on the 6th Day/Age of creation and the beginning of this Day was when Jesus made the beasts of the field and birds and brought them to Adam to name Gen 2:19 AND since Jesus will rule and reign on the present Earth for a thousand years, it should be obvious that each Day/Age is much longer than supposed. Genesis 1:28-31 is future since the events have NEVER taken place in the past. Can you tell us when mankind had dominion/rule over Angels? Of course not. Or when ALL animals, including bears and lions, were vegetarians? Waiting...

 

[Aman777]

15 August 2018 Aman777: A "sons of God (Prehistoric people) diverged from Chimps" lie.
Homo sapiens and chimpanzees are "cousins". They diverged from a common ancestor that was not Homo sapiens or chimpanzees.

Be nice or I will report you calling me a liar. Humans (descendants of Adam) were NOT made of flesh originally and they were made long BEFORE the plants, herbs and ANY other living creature, on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 You are mistaken since it is impossible that Humans could have descended from the common ancestor of Apes, which were made on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Please correct your misinformation.

 

[Aman777]

15 August 2018 Aman777: Fantasy and ignorance about the first stars and Genesis (the first stars had no elements higher than iron, Earth is made on the 3rd day, "luminaries" are made on the 4th day).

Misleading since Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day Gen 1:9-10 but the Stars of our Earth were NOT made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 You are confusing Adam's Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood, 2Pet 3:6 with the present Earth.

The first, second and more generations of stars were already lit ! Fusion produces light. That light escapes stars.

Not according to Scripture and Astronomy since the FIRST Stars did NOT appear until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang.
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question55.html

Results from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) released in February 2003 show that the first stars formed when the universe was only about 200 million years old.

Genesis does not state where the materials for the Earth came.

Sure it does since God created air, dust and water BEFORE the first day. Gen 1:1 Everything which was made by Jesus was made from these 3 creation elements. Try again?

 

[Aman777]

You even have the date off by 1000 years. Estimates include around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC.

False, since that is the dating given by Archbishop James Ussher of Armaugh, Ireland in the mid 1600s. The date was printed in the margins of the KJV of the Bible and stayed there for 300 years until the 1950s, IOW, it's an old religious view which cannot be supported by Scripture, science, nor history.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The Hebrew word for firmament is raqiya'. It comes from the Hebrew root raqa` which means:

The KJV translates Strong's H7554 in the following manner: spread... (6x),stamp (2x), stretch (1x), beat (1x), made broad (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to beat, stamp, beat out, spread out, stretch
   
   1. (Qal)
      1. to stamp, beat out
         one who beats out (participle) (Piel) to overlay, beat out (for plating)
   2. (Pual) beaten out (participle) (Hiphil) to make a spreading (of clouds)

The word indicates a spreading, a beating out, like a metallic object, BUT since it's not from our planet, it's not certain if it is actually metallic or some other material.

I can think of plenty of things that can be spread or beaten out -- the idea that it's metallic is yours, not God's.

That makes you, not God, dead wrong, because if there were large metallic chunks of the size that you, not God, require in or under Lake Van, we would've found them a long time ago.

When the Lake was drilled, they didn't drill the northern portion of the Lake. If they had, we might have a piece of an object from another Universe. Someone should scan the Lake with a magnetometer. Thanks for your insight.

Already done -- it started decades ago, and has been ongoing ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magsat

http://geomag.org/models/wdmam.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/magnetic-map-shows-earth-youve-never-seen-it-180962612/


Unfortunately for you, not God, no anomalies were discovered anywhere near Lake Van.

Now, of course, you can always claim that since your firmament is from "another Universe..." it's invisible to us mere mortals...

 

[Aman777]

Nothing personal but all of your views are Un-Scriptural.

How about this:
Day 1 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates light.

More like 23 Billion years ago when God the invisible Spirit spoke and YHWH/Jesus came forth from the Father into the physical world. Jesus is that Light.

Day 2 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God forms the sky.

God formed the "firmament" or solid boundary of Adam's world on the 2nd Day, called it "Heaven" and placed it under WATER Gen. 1:6-8 with water above and below it. Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10

Day 3 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God forms the land, seas, and plants.

You forgot that BEFORE the plants herbs and rain, Lord God/Jesus made Adam from the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7

Day 4 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates the sun, moon, and stars.

This was AFTER He made other "Heavens", the present Heaven and the 3rd Heaven of 2 Cor 12:2. Science confirms that it was millions of years in man's time, from the beginning of our cosmos until the first Stars appeared.

Day 5 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates the fish and the birds.

You forgot that God also created and brought forth from WATER, "every living creature that moveth". Gen 1:21

Day 6 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God creates land animals and mankind.

Later, Jesus made Eve from Adam's rib. Gen 2:22 Then BOTH Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" Gen 1:27 which is to be born again Spiritually in Christ, Who is the only Image of the invisible Spirit of God. Col 1:15

Day 7 (approx. 7,000 years ago): God rests.

Since God is STILL creating people in Christ Spiritually, His rest or "ceasing creating" from ALL of His work is FUTURE.

Straight from the Bible. Why believe in evolution?

Evolution is the biggest satanic ever forced upon our children since Adam was made the 3rd Day, which was long BEFORE He made "every living creature that moveth" including Apes, from Water on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

I can think of plenty of things that can be spread or beaten out -- the idea that it's metallic is yours, not God's.

That makes you, not God, dead wrong, because if there were large metallic chunks of the size that you, not God, require in or under Lake Van, we would've found them a long time ago.



Already done -- it started decades ago, and has been ongoing ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magsat

http://geomag.org/models/wdmam.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/magnetic-map-shows-earth-youve-never-seen-it-180962612/


Unfortunately for you, not God, no anomalies were discovered anywhere near Lake Van.

Now, of course, you can always claim that since your firmament is from "another Universe..." it's invisible to us mere mortals...

Nice try but measuring the magnetic field and the fluctuations of it is NOT measuring metalic objects. Try again?

From the site:>>Most of the field is generated at depths greater than 3000 km by the movement of molten iron in the outer core. The remaining 6% is partly due to electrical currents in space surrounding Earth, and partly due to magnetised rocks in the upper lithosphere – the rigid outer part of Earth, consisting of the crust and upper mantle.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Nice try but measuring the magnetic field and the fluctuations of it is NOT measuring metalic objects. Try again?

I guess someone needs to learn that large chunks of metal affect magnetic fields. What's the matter -- you never placed a chunk of steel next to a compass?

 

[Strathos]

If they dig up that area and find what you're describing, then I'll start taking your ideas seriously. Deal?

 

[Aman777]

If they dig up that area and find what you're describing, then I'll start taking your ideas seriously. Deal?

Amen. I've been telling TV Evangelists and Scientists seeking grants, where to find the most valuable treasure on Earth for years. Depending on the greed of those who beg for money daily is certain to bring forth the discovery of Adam's firmament. Amen?

 

[DogmaHunter]

God's Timeline
14+ Billion years ago God makes Adam's Earth Gen 1:9-10 Day 3
14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4 Day 3
13.8 Billion years ago The Big Bang of our Cosmos occurs. Day 3
4.53 Billion years ago The present Earth is formed Gen 2:4 Day 5
3.77 Billion years ago Universal Common Ancestor appears in water Gen 1:21 Day 5

5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4 Day 5

11 Thousand years ago Noah brings Human (descendants of Adam) civilization to planet Earth on the Ark. Gen 8:4 Noah's grandsons marry prehistoric people and produce today's Humans Day 6

Soon, Jesus returns at Armageddon, rules Earth for a thousand years, and the 6th Day/Age ends Gen 1:31
The 7th Day, the Age of Joy, begins Gen 2:1-3 Amen?

Mere stories and assertions don't refute well tested scientific theories.

 

[Aman777]

I guess someone needs to learn that large chunks of metal affect magnetic fields. What's the matter -- you never placed a chunk of steel next to a compass?

Get the large highly detailed image of Earth's magnetic field. Zoom in to Lake Van, Turkey and copy the anomaly, please. Then we all can learn. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Mere stories and assertions don't refute well tested scientific theories.

Be more specific but remember that I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, science and history. Can you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Amen. I've been telling TV Evangelists and Scientists seeking grants, where to find the most valuable treasure on Earth for years.

Years, you say? What has been their response?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Get the large highly detailed image of Earth's magnetic field. Zoom in to Lake Van, Turkey and copy the anomaly, please. Then we all can learn. Amen?

There is no anomaly... that's the point.

There's nothing down there, which means you're wrong. Amen?