LDS LDS Temple Weddings are anti-family

[He is the way]

If that's the case, then why have there been so many changes to it since the original 1830 edition? Why wouldn't the Holy Ghost have gotten right in the first place?

Even LDS sources admit that these changes have taken place, though they attempt to explain them away, and are anyway not as scrupulous about tracking the many, many changes (some say almost 4,000, some say 1,500 "potential changes", while admitting also 105,000 [yes, that is the number] "places of variation"; obviously these numbers vary according to what you count as a change, and how you tally those) as others are, for obvious reasons.

Almost all are spelling and punctuation errors. I am surprised you didn't know that. However there were typesetting errors and a few man made errors:

(Book of Mormon | Preface Title Page:1 - 2)

1 Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile—Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation—Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.
2 An abridgment taken from the Book of Ether also, which is a record of the people of Jared, who were scattered at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people, when they were building a tower to get to heaven—Which is to show unto the remnant of the House of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever—And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations—And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment–seat of Christ.

 

[drstevej]

Who said this? Where was it said?

The LDS Temple wedding is the proof of this. No family member is permitted to attend a temple wedding unless he or she has been vetted and approved as "worthy" by the men of the religion. How can such a religion claim to be pro-family when they routinely and proudly exclude blood related family members from a wedding?

Spoiler: ANSWER

The first post of this thread. Can we get back to the OP topic?

 

[dzheremi]

Alright. In keeping with the request that we get back to the topic, I'll forego answering HITW's latest reply. The links are there and the reader may judge the information found therein, which comes from both pro-Mormon (LDS.org, FairMormon) and dreaded anti-Mormon (UTLM) sources.

 

[dzheremi]

Soooo...those Mormon temple wedding ceremonies...they're pretty wacky, eh?

Here's an interesting article on the development, effect, and unevenness of application of the Mormon temple ceremony policy from slate.com, about how even though Mormons can't let you come to their ceremony in their temple, they can (maybe) still have a secular civil ceremony that their heathen non-Mormon friends and family can attend, so everyone wins (yay!). Some choice quotes:

"A sealing is an ordinance established by Joseph Smith in the early days of the church. According to Smith, whatever is bound or sealed in a special ceremony on Earth will be bound or sealed in heaven. The point of the sealing today is to establish a covenant for a marriage that survives death. It’s considered absolutely crucial to salvation, to the point where Mormons not only perform it for themselves, but do proxy sealings for dead ancestors because no one can enter the most exalted realms of heaven without it."

"Over time, the policy of exclusion has become so important that 'young Mormons think it’s a commandment, and they think they’re breaking a commandment and doing something sinful if they get married outside the temple,' says Bodie. 'Rejecting and excluding your inactive or nonmember family is a mark of being a good Mormon,' because the alternative is so shameful."

“'If you marry civilly first, the assumption is that you weren't sufficiently worthy to get married in the temple,' says Mary Ellen Robertson, executive director of the Sunstone Education Foundation, a nonprofit organization in Salt Lake City dedicated to the study of Mormonism."

(Says Wendy Reynolds of Kenmore, WA.) “It wasn't a big deal because I knew all along that I wouldn't be able to go. I didn't think it was strange until I was getting married myself and had to leave several of my closest friends and the majority of my family off the ceremony list. I was married 20 years ago, and I have never recovered from this.”

"The modesty of the goal of Family First Weddings baffles some outsiders: Why not make temple weddings open to everyone? I was essentially asked as I wrote this story. But that would be analogous to, say, Catholics asking their church to let a non-Catholic administer the Eucharist, or to let anyone who wants to visit every area of a cloistered monastery: It invalidates doctrine and violates not only concepts of holiness but something fundamental about the commitments and blessings inherent in joining a church."

 

[He is the way]

If that's the case, then why have there been so many changes to it since the original 1830 edition? Why wouldn't the Holy Ghost have gotten it right in the first place?

Even LDS sources admit that these changes have taken place, though they attempt to explain them away, and are anyway not as scrupulous about tracking the many, many changes (some say almost 4,000, some say 1,500 "potential changes", while admitting also 105,000 [yes, that is the number] "places of variation"; obviously these numbers vary according to what you count as a change, and how you tally those) as others are, for obvious reasons.

It is amazing that someone has taken the time to go through the Book of Mormon so thoroughly to check for all of these errors. Of the 105,000 how many of these are perceived errors? There are about 900 different English translations of the Bible with too many perceived errors to count. How did God let this happen? It should also be noted that as of 2015 the Book of Mormon had been translated into 110 languages. The original Book of Mormon (not the 1830 printed Book of Mormon) had no punctuation. The original Bible text had no capitalization or punctuation either.

 

[He is the way]

Who said this? Where was it said?

Spoiler: ANSWER

The first post of this thread. Can we get back to the OP topic?

Temple marriage is about eternal bonds being formed as opposed to earthly till death do you part.

 

[Rescued One]

Temple marriage is about eternal bonds being formed as opposed to earthly till death do you part.

Well, each person on earth faces the judgment as an individual.

Matthew 10
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[Rescued One]

The sealings must be performed in our earthly bodies:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Stop doing it for decayed bodies and skeletons.

 

[He is the way]

Stop doing it for decayed bodies and skeletons.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


(New Testament | Matthew 22:32)

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

 

[Rescued One]

The sealings must be performed in our earthly bodies:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


(New Testament | Matthew 22:32)

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Sorry, you said, "The sealings must be performed in our earthly bodies:"

Skeletons aren't earthly bodies; they're skeletons. Earthly bodies have flesh and blood.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Alma 34:33
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

 

[He is the way]

Sorry, you said, "The sealings must be performed in our earthly bodies:"

Skeletons aren't earthly bodies; they're skeletons. Earthly bodies have flesh and blood.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Alma 34:33
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

That is my point. It will be a long after we die that the judgment occurs. If a person does not preform the required ordinances in this life they won't have them in the next life until someone else performs them by proxy for them. They may have to wait for hundreds or thousands of years. That is a long time to be held back. Then if they still do not accept those proxy ordinances they will continue to be held back and miss out on what they could have had. The passage in Alma and is about repentance. It is important to repent while we are still alive.

 

[dzheremi]

Forgive me for being a simpleton, but if you were dead already then why would it matter how much time it takes for something to happen? Unless you believe the dead have calendars, date books, day planners, and watches down in the grave, then that kind of point makes very little sense, and certainly does not seem to be a very good justification for doing any of these 'ordinances' on behalf of the dead.

"Oh no! It's going to take 429 years (or whatever) for someone to get to this person's name on the list of dead people to be baptized by proxy! That's terrible! By then they'll be even more dead! And that's really going to matter...for some reason...!"

 

[He is the way]

 

[mmksparbud]

This is the exact description of Mormonism!!! They have taken the placebo of JS instead of the power of truth of the scriptures that Jesus read, believed, practiced and taught. They have taken the "Holy Spirit of the burning bosom" in place of the Holy Spirit of the scriptures. Near death experiences are in all faiths---as has been pointed out. The Hindu have theirs in accordance to their believes, the Buddhists--all of them according to what they have heard. I had mine---and I did not see anything. I went to sleep and then I woke up---just as Jesus said--sleep.

 

[Peter1000]

Soooo...those Mormon temple wedding ceremonies...they're pretty wacky, eh?

I'm surprised that you would use the word wacky to describe a Mormon temple wedding. I have seen a lot of wacky drunken weddings before, but a Mormon wedding in a temple is the opposite of wacky. So maybe you need to ask a good active Mormon about that before you use terms like wacky.

Not sure what you mean by uneven application of the Mormon temple ceremony policy. It is not uneven, it exists for all who marry in the temple.
If you do not hold a temple reccommend, you cannot attend the wedding. You can attend the reception after the wedding and that lasts all night, have a good time with the happy couple.

"A sealing is an ordinance established by Joseph Smith in the early days of the church. According to Smith, whatever is bound or sealed in a special ceremony on Earth will be bound or sealed in heaven. The point of the sealing today is to establish a covenant for a marriage that survives death. It’s considered absolutely crucial to salvation, to the point where Mormons not only perform it for themselves, but do proxy sealings for dead ancestors because no one can enter the most exalted realms of heaven without it."

The power that Jesus gave Peter to bind or loose on earth and it will be bound or loosed in heaven is a real power. Peter was given the keys of the KOH. These keys have been lost since Peter died, and were restored to the earth by Peter himself when he was sent by Jesus Christ to JS and gave him the binding and loosing powers again. Otherwise JS could not do anything and have it be accepted by heaven.

It is essential to salvation that these keys be used as you go through the salvation process, and although the temple wedding is essential for the highest form of salvation, it is not essential for lower forms of salvation.

Before and during the time of the millenium, there will be a lot of work to get people ready for salvation. Remember that only a few of billions and billions of people have even heard of the name Jesus. All have to be given the chance to hear and accept. It will be a monumental work, that I suspect you will be actively engaged in, being a good Christian.

“'If you marry civilly first, the assumption is that you weren't sufficiently worthy to get married in the temple,' says Mary Ellen Robertson, executive director of the Sunstone Education Foundation, a nonprofit organization in Salt Lake City dedicated to the study of Mormonism."

If you marry civilly first there is no assumption at all. It is because you are not willing to take upon yourself and live the higher principals of the gospel of Jesus Christ at this time.
Mary Ellen Robertson is the director of Sunstone. Sunstone is not dedicated to the study of Mormonism, it is dedicated to expose what they think is the real Mormonism and to eradicate it.

(Says Wendy Reynolds of Kenmore, WA.) “It wasn't a big deal because I knew all along that I wouldn't be able to go. I didn't think it was strange until I was getting married myself and had to leave several of my closest friends and the majority of my family off the ceremony list. I was married 20 years ago, and I have never recovered from this.”

Give me a break, she got married in the temple 20 years ago and still has not recovered from not having some of her friends at the wedding. That is too much to even listen too. Go get another life if you still haven't recovered after 20 years. Seriously let it go and get another marriage and get those friends that could not come to your temple wedding and have another wedding so they can be there this time.

Your last paragraph is logical.

 

[Peter1000]

This is the exact description of Mormonism!!! They have taken the placebo of JS instead of the power of truth of the scriptures that Jesus read, believed, practiced and taught. They have taken the "Holy Spirit of the burning bosom" in place of the Holy Spirit of the scriptures. Near death experiences are in all faiths---as has been pointed out. The Hindu have theirs in accordance to their believes, the Buddhists--all of them according to what they have heard. I had mine---and I did not see anything. I went to sleep and then I woke up---just as Jesus said--sleep.

Except that Jesus did not say sleep to the thief on the cross or about himself.

Where is paradise, where is the spirit prison? Let me know.

 

[Peter1000]

Forgive me for being a simpleton, but if you were dead already then why would it matter how much time it takes for something to happen? Unless you believe the dead have calendars, date books, day planners, and watches down in the grave, then that kind of point makes very little sense, and certainly does not seem to be a very good justification for doing any of these 'ordinances' on behalf of the dead.

"Oh no! It's going to take 429 years (or whatever) for someone to get to this person's name on the list of dead people to be baptized by proxy! That's terrible! By then they'll be even more dead! And that's really going to matter...for some reason...!"

You are simple if you think that when you die, you do not continue to live as a spirit being. And if you are in a spirit prison, that Jesus visited when he went to the spirit world after his death, you would want to explore all possible reasons to get out of that prison as soon as possible, right?
It is proper ordinances administered by proper authority, with the power to bind and loose in heaven that can get them out of spirit prison, if they do what is necessary to be let out.

Jesus opened the way when he was in the spirit world for 3 days after his death, and one of the things he did was preach unto the spirits in spirit prison. Why do you think he preached unto them. It was to present them with the name of Jesus Christ their Redeemer and start the process of repentance so they could leave their prison and go into the paradise portion of the spirit world. Remember he told the thief on the cross he would be with him in paradise.

We know very little about the spirit world from the Bible, but we are told of 2 places. Paradise and spirit prison. Through JS and revelations from Jesus Christ we know a whole lot more.

A dead, rotting body may not have a calendar, but a living spirit may, I haven't seen their spirit abode, but I would not think that they are unaware of time passing.

You can make fun all you wish, but the truth is the truth and it will stand regardless of your knowledge or understanding.

 

[Peter1000]

Sorry, you said, "The sealings must be performed in our earthly bodies:"

Skeletons aren't earthly bodies; they're skeletons. Earthly bodies have flesh and blood.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Alma 34:33
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

I'm sorry but statements like the skeleton statement make me believe that you know very little about Mormonism, or you were being funny. Were you trying to be funny?

 

[Peter1000]

Stop doing it for decayed bodies and skeletons.

Again are you trying to be funny? If not, were you really a Mormon one time?

 

[Peter1000]

Who said this? Where was it said?

Spoiler: ANSWER

The first post of this thread. Can we get back to the OP topic?

You have to just get over it. Jesus Christ is the one that said, only members of the church with a temple recommend can go into a my temple. If you do not have a recommend, you can not come in. That's it. You want in, get a temple recomment, all people can do that if they wish. So go for it, or stop complaining.