the self replicating watch argument

[Dan1988]

How do you know it's your way?
And that's bad exactly why?

As an ex Roman Catholic I can say that the Church never preached Gods word faithfully.

They teach that there's no salvation outside of their Church, but the bibles says there's n o salvation outside of Christ. I could list many more contradictions, just as Martin Luther did when he nailed them to the door of the Roman Catholic authority in those days.

Only those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit can understand the scriptures correctly. The rest have a false view.

 

[Dan1988]

Yes, of course, the species I was referring to were fully complete animals. Evolution doesn't predict that intermediates are half animals.

Again, why do we find the jawbones getting more and more like mammals over the course of many millions of years? Do you care to speculate on why this is what we find?




Ok, but if animals adjust to their environment for millions of years, won't that be a heck of a lot of adjustments?

No, you cant place environmental adjustment in the same basket as evolution from one species to another, they are entirely different things.

so the fact remains that nobody has ever demonstrated or proven that evolution is a fact. it will always remain, nothing more than a fancy wishful theory.

 

[Dan1988]

31 July 2018 Dan1988: "Pagans" idiocy and a "red blood cells still present in the bone cavity" + "no answers" lie.
We have found dinosaur fossils dated to 68 and 76 million years ago. A few of these fossils contain preserved soft tissues that anyone with 2 brain cells can tell is also millions of years old. Think about it, Dan1988: Are the contents of an egg older, younger or the same age as the shell? Does it matter if the egg is fresh or hard boiled? What about a fossil of a species that died out 65 million years ago and its contents?

It is a lie that red blood cells have been found (structures speculated to be their remains have been found). It is a lie that no one has tried to explain the discovery.

From 2013: Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained is Mary Schweitzer (part of the team that made the discovery) explaining this - released iron acts as a preservative.

Yes I know all about the heretic named Mary Schweitzer, she succumbed to the brainwashing and pressure by her Pagan associates and went against what she knew to be the truth. She will burn in hell for it, so don't worry about that witch and her wicked lies.

 

[Skreeper]

Yes I know all about the heretic named Mary Schweitzer, she succumbed to the brainwashing and pressure by her Pagan associates and went against what she knew to be the truth. She will burn in hell for it, so don't worry about that witch and her wicked lies.

Congratulations! You've just reached the rank of Fanatic. Please enjoy your new status.

 

[Dan1988]

Repeated igorance so I will start recording this for prosperity and ease of reference:
31 July 2018 Dan1988: Ignorance that science making itself better is a problem !
A reason that science underpins the lifestyle that we enjoy is that science improves. We no longer use bloodletting to equalize "humors" to treat diseases. We have computers and the Internet ! We have medical advances that have extended lifetimes. etc.

Our understanding of the universe is advanced enough so that it is extremely hard to correct or invalidate much of "the whole of science". Any new scientific theory will want to reproduce the vast agreement with empirical evidence supporting existing theories. The best way to do that is to extend the existing theories. The new scientific theory will then reduce to the old theories in appropriate limits.
On the other hand there are specialized scientific theories that are overturned almost daily. QM itself is robust but the QM treatment of a system changes.

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A fantasy that God created the physical world in such a way that scientists cannot understand, etc.
Scientists understand how the "physical world" of the Earth and Solar System and galaxies were created. Scientists create specks of dust. There is no scientific evidence that the universe was created. The real physical world started in a hot dense state almost 14 billion years ago. We can describe that universe down to a very small time

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A fantasy that scientists have to be able to change how the universe works?
What scientists do is observe what the universe has to teach them and explain it using science and especially mathematics. They do not change how the universe works. They change the laws of physics to give an ever better approximation to how the universe works.

Sorry but I still have ZERO respect for scientists, because we are still stuck on square one. They have failed to discover a basic things like a cure for cancer and many other diseases.
They have't discovered how to influence the weather to produce rain or in any other way. They haven't discovered how to utilize the planets resources to make provisions for everyone to have enough to eat and drink.
I could just keep going for a month listing all the failures and exposing them as absolutely retarded to the max.
They haven't discovered any solution to the scourge of drug addiction, war, disease, pollution, crime or any other problem. All they give us are theories on everything but nothing of any worth while substance.

 

[Dan1988]

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A "firm and steadfast in their ignorance"/"circular reasoning" lie about scientists and argument by insults.
The history of science, especially in the last 400 years, is the reduction of ignorance by gathering empirical evidence and using deductive reasoning.

When you insult Christian and non-Christian scientist. you show that you have no argument at all, Dan1988. 400 years ago, the vast majority of scientists in the West were Christian. It was Christian geologists that noted that geological formations would take millions of years to form. It was Christian biologists who first thought abut the origin of species. Charles Darwin was a Christian during his early career but says he became closer to an agnostic in 1879. Gregor Mendel was a Augustinian friar and abbot. etc.
Today, a estimate would be that a third of scientists are Christians.

You need to understand the difference between a true believer and a hypocrite. Many call themselves Christian, but they are no more Christian than my dog.

There's no such thing as a former christian, true Christians are Holy Saints who posses the truth. They can never go back to the vomit of lies and wickedness.

 

[Skreeper]

Sorry but I still have ZERO respect for scientists, because we are still stuck on square one. They have failed to discover a basic things like a cure for cancer and many other diseases.
They have't discovered how to influence the weather to produce rain or in any other way. They haven't discovered how to utilize the planets resources to make provisions for everyone to have enough to eat and drink.
I could just keep going for a month listing all the failures and exposing them as absolutely retarded to the max.
They haven't discovered any solution to the scourge of drug addiction, war, disease, pollution, crime or any other problem. All they give us are theories on everything but nothing of any worth while substance.

I just love the irony of you typing this on a electronic device which uses quantum mechanics and other fancy physics to post your incoherend drivel on the internet.

 

[Dan1988]

31 July 2018 Dan1988: An insult and ignorant fantasy that science is a debate between "Pagan scientists" and Christian scientists.
What Christian and non-Christian scientists have learned is that it is useless to debate "scientists" when there is massive evidence for evolution. What they get are things like the Gish gallop. So they do not.

For the "massive evidence for evolution" to stay afloat, one needs to swallow the theory as a fact. Then use circular reasoning to keep it afloat. When you force people to accept a flawed theory, then you can keep feeding them the rest of the straw to build the straw man

 

[Dan1988]

I just love the irony of you typing this on a electronic device which uses quantum mechanics and other fancy physics to post your incoherend drivel on the internet.

Let me remind you that Christians own science, we are it's founders. Your Pagan imposers hijacked it and added your voodoo science to it and that has caused science to stagnate

 

[RealityCheck01]

Yes I know all about the heretic named Mary Schweitzer, ....

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A heretic lie and insults rather then rational argument
This is Mary Higby Schweitzer. She does not usually discuss her religious faith.
However, there is this interview: I love that you are a Christian and work in paleontology. How did you end up in the field? (raised Catholic).

 

[RealityCheck01]

Sorry but I still have ZERO respect for scientists, because we are still stuck on square one. They have failed to discover a basic things like a cure for cancer and many other diseases. ....

31 July 2018 Dan1988: Idiotically discards all of science because cancer and other diseases are hard to cure as if other medical treatments did not exist !
He has obviously never heard of smallpox and its eradication or the treatments for specific cancers or diabetes is not a death sentence or HIV/AIDS is not a death sentence, etc. etc.

 

[RealityCheck01]

You need to understand the difference between a true believer and a hypocrite.

31 July 2018 Dan1988: Needs to understands the futility of argument by insult and where he is posting.
This is a Christian forum. There are Christians of various denominations here. There are Christians who believe in a young Earth. There are Christians who believe in a old Earth. There are Christians who deny science. There are Christians who tolerate science. There are Christians who trust science.
Insulting all denominations except a "true believer" denomination as hypocrites is insulting a proportion of the members here as well the Christian scientists who have worked on evolution.

 

[RealityCheck01]

For the "massive evidence for evolution" to stay afloat, one needs to swallow the theory as a fact. Then use circular reasoning to keep it afloat. When you force people to accept a flawed theory, then you can keep feeding them the rest of the straw to build the straw man

31 July 2018 Dan1988: "swallow the theory as a fact" lie, "circular reasoning" lie , "force people to accept a flawed theory" lie.
No scientific theory is accepted as fact as you have stated in several posts. Any scientific theory can be discarded. Evolution has a massive body of evidence supporting it so it would take extraordinary evidence to falsify evolution. That is the proverbial "rabbit in the Permian" discovery.
The above alone makes "circular reasoning" a lie because evolution is not a fact, it is a supported scientific theory.
Education does not force people to accept a supported scientific theory like evolution.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Let me remind you that Christians own science, we are it's founders.

31 July 2018 Dan1988: Repeated "Pagan" gibberish and shoots himself in the foot with a slightly two-faced "Christians own science" assertion.
It was those Christians that established that the Earth is at least millions of years old.
It was those Christians that established the facts and theory of evolution.

Also an ignorant and slightly two-faced statement.
Science has been around for thousand of years from the Egyptians onwards. It is modern science and the current scientific method that was started by Christians, e.g. Galileo Galilei.
He has stated that he has "ZERO respect for scientists" but now he likes Christians as scientists !

Are these the Christians he insults by calling then hypocrites?
31 July 2018 Dan1988: Needs to understands the futility of argument by insult and where he is posting.

 

[Dan1988]

31 July 2018 Dan1988: "swallow the theory as a fact" lie, "circular reasoning" lie , "force people to accept a flawed theory" lie.
No scientific theory is accepted as fact as you have stated in several posts. Any scientific theory can be discarded. Evolution has a massive body of evidence supporting it so it would take extraordinary evidence to falsify evolution. That is the proverbial "rabbit in the Permian" discovery.
The above alone makes "circular reasoning" a lie because evolution is not a fact, it is a supported scientific theory.
Education does not force people to accept a supported scientific theory like evolution.

Every brilliant scientists who dares to challenge the the mob will be treated as an outcast, and his career will go nowhere. He will be treated like a heretic only because he wants to share the truth with others.

The universities don't n want thinkers, they only accept swallows and regurgitates

 

[RealityCheck01]

Your Pagan imposers hijacked it and added your voodoo science to it and that has caused science to stagnate

31 July 2018 Dan1988: Insult and an ignorant fantasy that science has been hijacked and has stagnated.
Science (and hopefully scientists) does not care where scientific evidence or theories come from so a "hijack" fantasy is irrelevant and probably untrue: List of Christians in science and technology.
Stagnation is a blatant fantasy. The research into evolution has been ongoing (probably increasing), not stopping. We have made strides in physical sciences, e.g. the discovery of the Higgs boson.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Every brilliant scientists who dares to challenge the the mob will be treated as an outcast, and his career will go nowhere. He will be treated like a heretic only because he wants to share the truth with others.

The universities don't n want thinkers, they only accept swallows and regurgitates

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A lying heretic and outcast rant.
He has cited Mary Higby Schweitzer who did "challenge the the mob", is not an outcast, is not a heretic and her career is normal.

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A "accept swallows and regurgitates" lie about universities.
There is a small element of truth for undergraduate studies where learning the basics is emphasized. However, postgraduates learn how to pick science apart and to think critically about what they learn. For example, part of my thesis was tearing some work back to basics and then rebuilding to show why two results were different.

 

[doubtingmerle]

No, you cant place environmental adjustment in the same basket as evolution from one species to another, they are entirely different things.

so the fact remains that nobody has ever demonstrated or proven that evolution is a fact. it will always remain, nothing more than a fancy wishful theory.

What is the difference? If animals pile on adjustment after adjustment for millions of years, won't the final result be significantly different from the starting point?

 

[Dan1988]

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A lying heretic and outcast rant.
He has cited Mary Higby Schweitzer who did "challenge the the mob", is not an outcast, is not a heretic and her career is normal.

31 July 2018 Dan1988: A "accept swallows and regurgitates" lie about universities.
There is a small element of truth for undergraduate studies where learning the basics is emphasized. However, postgraduates learn how to pick science apart and to think critically about what they learn. For example, part of my thesis was tearing some work back to basics and then rebuilding to show why two results were different.

Mary discovered the soft tissue in the bone cavity and that was evidence that the bone was only thousands of years old and not millions.
But her superiors worked on brainwashing her and causing her to go against her better judgement and abandon her conscience, in order to remain in the mob. She was not given the liberty to believe what her eyes told her, she had to embrace the lie to be accepted.

 

[Dan1988]

What is the difference? If animals pile on adjustment after adjustment for millions of years, won't the final result be significantly different from the starting point?

If you take a domestic pig and set it free in the wild, it will quickly grow long hair and tusks so it will look different but it's still the same pig. It will never become another species like kangaroo, God has created many different species which cannot change what they are. They can only experience small changes to adapt to their environment but they will never change from their particular species