#walkaway

[Liza B.]

Yeah many of them are Trump supporters now. They've also been telling their conservative friends that they will send a message this midterm election, so they're trying to get Republicans to stay home. They want to get out there and vote and show everyone that the Democrat Party is losing support. I expect to see a huge increase in the black vote for Republicans this year.

I've seen some people posting: "Stay Home. #WeGotThis" It looks like there are a lot of black people on board to help Trump these midterms.

And there could be two parts to this: black voters who admit publicly they will vote for Trump, and black voters who are not admitting it but--seeing friends and family support--will pull that lever privately anyway.

As I said, support like this is often exponential. Now, it's time for conservatives to show we have something better to offer.

 

[LostMarbels]

I watched it.

She mostly uses her mother as some example for the entire left and gripes about her behavior and projects on to millions of others. She also admits plainly she herself was never a liberal so I don't know how much I can trust her opinion to not be biased against the left from the git go.

She mentions all the same typical right-wing talking points about the left that they've been saying for years now. Nothing I've never heard before so if she's just waking up to these claims now, I feel bad for her missing out on so much all these years.

I have been discussing these topics with you and others on CF for over a decade. I originally joined Sep 11, 2004 as Dirtydeak. Point being, there comes a time when you have to realize that maybe the message was not for you. And likewise, I have to except that some will never understand a single point I make. Some individuals might not even attempt to see my veiw point, instead, they seek contention. After years of banging our heads, maybe it is better to just accept the fact that you will not agree with me regardless of what I post, and just move on.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I have been discussing these topics with you and others on CF for over a decade. I originally joined Sep 11, 2004 as Dirtydeak. Point being, there comes a time when you have to realize that maybe the message was not for you. And likewise, I have to except that some will never understand a single point I make. Some individuals might not even attempt to see my veiw point, instead, they seek contention. After years of banging our heads, maybe it is better to just accept the fact that you will not agree with me regardless of what I post, and just move on.

I'm not sure why you take my post so personally. I didn't say anything about you.

If you don't want to address any of the points I've raised about the video you shared then that's okay with me. It's you who seems unwilling to look at this with any objectivity.

 

[LostMarbels]

I'm not sure why you take my post so personally. I didn't say anything about you.

If you don't want to address any of the points I've raised about the video you shared then that's okay with me. It's you who seems unwilling to look at this with any objectivity.

Objectivity is one thing. This is beyond an honest look into information presented. You are self admittedly of the mindset that Trump is evil, I am wrong, and I believe your goal is to continually try and point out that 'fact'. That is not a conversation. And it is not objective. I just want you to be honest to your self, and if you cannot even look into the topics presented, or are so hard-set against any stance that may be against your own there is no conversation to be had. Its just an argument that can never be won.

Look at your response to @Liza B. :

Yeah like this self-admitted non-liberal in this video here.

How many more non-leftists like her can the left afford to lose?!

No substantiating facts. No effort at all to be based in reason or to even be in relation to her. comment.

Instead, you spit out : "How many more non-leftists like her can the left afford to lose?!" In this comment I hear: "how stupid are you? This women isn't even a liberal! How is that effecting the left!"

She talks about the politics of Progressives being a religion and I couldn't agree more and have said as much. It operates very much like a religion and an extremely fundamentalist one at that. Just observe the online shaming, mobbing, and ostracization after you've committed a "sin" in the Church of Social Justice.

This is leading to a LOT of people walking away.

Your mockery is part of what she is addressing. Another thing to note, in the American political spectrum, progressives are liberal. Liberals are Democratic. You have to see the connection there. Since we know you know that, your dismissive stance of that fact has to be on purpose.

There is no way, of having a 'objective' conversation with an individual that purposely and willfully dismisses facts in-order to twists the others meaning. Again... that action is part of why #walkaway is gaining momentum.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Objectivity is one thing. This is beyond an honest look into information presented. You are self admittedly of the mindset that Trump is evil,

Nonsense. I don't think in terms of good and evil. I've never said Trump is evil. Not once, not ever.

Further proof you're not even listening but imagining an argument that doesn't exist.

I am wrong, and I believe your goal is to continually try and point out that 'fact'. That is not a conversation. And it is not objective. I just want you to be honest to your self, and if you cannot even look into the topics presented, or are so hard-set against any stance that may be against your own there is no conversation to be had. Its just an argument that can never be won.

Look at your response to @Liza B. :



No substantiating facts. No effort at all to be based in reason or to even be in relation to her. comment.

Liza has me on ignore (I hope you see some of the irony in that). My comments to her are more simply because I can and know she won't respond.

Do you need time stamps? She literally, in the first minute of the video admits she was never a liberal.

Instead, you spit out : "How many more non-leftists like her can the left afford to lose?!" In this comment I hear: "how stupid are you? This women isn't even a liberal! How is that effecting the left!"

Well.... How is it affecting the left if a person who plainly says they're not on the left makes a video talking about how much they disagree with leftists?

Honestly now... Did we even watch the same video?

Your mockery is part of what she is addressing. Another thing to note, in the American political spectrum, progressives are liberal. Liberals are Democratic. You have to see the connection there. Since we know you know that, your dismissive stance of that fact has to be on purpose

She says she was never a liberal.

There is no way, of having a 'objective' conversation with an individual that purposely and willfully dismisses facts in-order to twists the others meaning. Again... that action is part of why #walkaway is gaining momentum.

Again... Person on the right talking about how people are abandoning the left...

Sorry. You guys aren't an objective source in this. Your hatred of the left clouds your proper judgment.

 

[LostMarbels]

 

[GoldenBoy89]

They them, they they them. Very divisive video made by yet another person who plainly admits they aren't on the left.

How many more rightwing videos are you going to share?

 

[LostMarbels]

All of em if I can.

 

[SummerMadness]

I can't speak for the right-wing, but the black Trump movement is here, like the Blacks for Trump group, there are so many of them, and they're voting in 2018. They keep pushing the same idea though. Conservatives stay home. #WeGotThis They really want to show the Democratic Party that they are fully walking away and you can't have that if conservatives are showing up to vote too, so they're telling people to stay home and let them handle this midterms.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

All of em if I can.

That's sorta my point... These are pro-rightwing videos you're sharing.

I honestly don't doubt there are people upset with the behavior they perceive from Democrats lately. I don't doubt they are genuine in their commentary. Notice I said perceived. A lot of the reaction seems to be to an exaggerated, hyper militant version of the left that isn't at all what mainstream leftists and Democrats are like. That's one big red flag I get from these.

I just think this whole "movement" is more being pushed by the right than by anyone actually on the left. It seems to be more wishful thinking on their part than a genuine attitude emerging on the left, at least from my experiences and in the circles I hang around in.

A lot of the videos I've seen are from people on the right giving their support to the movement, which makes sense why they would. I get it... What more would conservatives want than for their political rivals to have an internal struggle in gaining support?

I'm just saying that if something seems too good to be true... Think hard and ask yourself if it really is true, or if you just would really like it to be.

 

[SummerMadness]

I just think this whole "movement" is more being pushed by the right than by anyone actually on the left. It seems to be more wishful thinking on their part than a genuine attitude emerging on the left, at least from my experiences and in the circles I hang around in.

Well, I'm not part of the right-wing and I can assure you this movement is real. I'm seeing lots of posts by Walk Away movementers stating: Stay home Conservatives. #WeGotThis

I'm not sure if that hashtag campaign has taken fire yet, but it's certainly looking like a lot of the Walk Away people I'm seeing are pushing that.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well, I'm not part of the right-wing and I can assure you this movement is real. I'm seeing lots of posts by Walk Away movementers stating: Stay home Conservatives. #WeGotThis

I'm not sure if that hashtag campaign has taken fire yet, but it's certainly looking like a lot of the Walk Away people I'm seeing are pushing that.

I don't know. I hate to be so dismissive but I think this would be trending more and more within left-wing circles if it really were a left-wing movement that is forming. That is, something that is naturally arising within the left and not being forced into existence by the right.

With the speed at which trends spread now thanks to social media, why is it taking so long for this "movement" to really gain traction? Why is it only people on the right talking about it? Why are there no celebrity #walkaways? At least one of the lesser known ones would have mentioned something about this by now.

Something's a bit off about this #walkaway campaign.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know. I hate to be so dismissive but I think this would be trending more and more within left-wing circles if it really were a left-wing movement that is forming. That is, something that is naturally arising within the left and not being forced into existence by the right.

With the speed at which trends spread now thanks to social media, why is it taking so long for this "movement" to really gain traction? Why is it only people on the right talking about it? Why are there no celebrity #walkaways? At least one of the lesser known ones would have mentioned something about this by now.

Something's a bit off about this #walkaway campaign.

Trump's support amongst black men has gone up from 5-6% to around 10-11%.

Although that doesn't seem significant, its crucial to the left ever since they abandoned the white working class vote.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Because I see solutions. They are just not popular with the current establishment.

Well don't keep us all waiting, let's hear these grand solutions.

I'm not liberal, so you don't need my prior approval.

 

[LostMarbels]

I can't speak for the right-wing, but the black Trump movement is here, like the Blacks for Trump group, there are so many of them, and they're voting in 2018. They keep pushing the same idea though. Conservatives stay home. #WeGotThis They really want to show the Democratic Party that they are fully walking away and you can't have that if conservatives are showing up to vote too, so they're telling people to stay home and let them handle this midterms.

Uhhuh.... How abouts we help a bit seeings that we cant trust our future to any movement in of itself. Including #walkaway.

We need to remain active, vigilant, and unmoved in purpose. If they want to jump aboard they're welcome, but I hardly imagine were foolhardy enough to trust others to vote for us.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I generally respect your posts but honestly, this one is way, way, way off the track here.

I mean wow. In short that post was WAY "Internet Atheist Warrior" and you're almost never Internet Atheist Warrior.

If someone is going to make a claim like "judeo christian values will fix this".....and offer nothing in the way of actual solutions....

Then why do you seem to expect me to qualify the statement that "judeo christian values aren't going to help anyone "?

Shouldn't you ask him to qualify his statement first?

I mean, if I told you I was going to feed the poor in the world with the miracles of mathematics...and someone else said there's no way that's going to happen....which of those two statements should be backed up first?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I generally respect your posts but honestly, this one is way, way, way off the track here.

1. Judeo-Christian values haven't done anything for ANYONE? Wow, that's a statement. Back it up?

2. You can't make a case that Christianity has done anything in history? Well we had child-sacrificing pagan religions before Christianity, maybe that was better? Example one.

3. Example two: is it better that the nuclear family is falling apart since those values have been relaxed?

4. I heard a woman on television yesterday who had seven abortions already at the age of 25. Two of them were late term abortions. Maybe those babies were better off since the "relaxing" of Judeo-Christian values?

I mean wow. In short that post was WAY "Internet Atheist Warrior" and you're almost never Internet Atheist Warrior.

If you want to do a quick comparison...

Guatemala is 90% Christian...about half catholic and half evangelical protestants. They also outlawed abortion in 1973. Now, about half the children are starving....there's far too many people and not enough jobs. Disease, poverty, and violence are rampant.

Sweden on the other hand is 80% not religious or straight up atheist. They enjoy some of the highest standards of living in the world...in just about every measure.

So when I say judeo christian values aren't going to help...this is exactly what I mean. Jesus doesn't put food on plates....he doesn't stop violence and death...he's not coming anytime soon to save his faithful, and they're fleeing his most religious nations.

So if you want me to not be Mr Internet Atheist....don't make some ridiculous suggestions about how christianity is going to fix anything. It's had 2000 years now and frankly, it hasn't helped anyone. Science has helped a great many people....and it could probably help more if christianity just got out of the way.

So please, come up with real solutions but let go of the whole "christian values" schtick...it's obviously not working.

 

[SummerMadness]

Uhhuh.... How abouts we help a bit seeings that we cant trust our future to any movement in of itself. Including #walkaway.

We need to remain active, vigilant, and unmoved in purpose. If they want to jump aboard they're welcome, but I hardly imagine were foolhardy enough to trust others to vote for us.

I'm just telling you what I'm seeing. But I assume if this movement is real, you should put your faith in it because the left is hemorrhaging the black vote.

 

[LostMarbels]

I'm just telling you what I'm seeing. But I assume if this movement is real, you should put your faith in it because the left is hemorrhaging the black vote.

Thanks. I appreciate your effort to keep pushing it at least.

 

[Liza B.]

If someone is going to make a claim like "judeo christian values will fix this".....and offer nothing in the way of actual solutions....

Then why do you seem to expect me to qualify the statement that "judeo christian values aren't going to help anyone "?

Shouldn't you ask him to qualify his statement first?

I mean, if I told you I was going to feed the poor in the world with the miracles of mathematics...and someone else said there's no way that's going to happen....which of those two statements should be backed up first?

You said "Judeo Christians values NEVER helped anyone". That's what you said. Yes, they absolutely have. So have all the other major religions of the world through massive charities. How can you deny it? That's not even rational to be honest. ???

Seriously, to deny "treat others the way you wish to be treated", just for one example, "Never helped anyone" does not seem rational to me. Now, if you're saying we should STILL not install Christianity as a theocracy, that's fine. But to say this value "never helped anyone"?