Are 'White Lies' ever okay?

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In The Name of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit Amen.

Could you please Holy Saint Nicholas please pray for all Parents on earth for their conversions and salvation, could you please pray for Jesus and Holy Spirit to reignite their hearts souls minds to their sins and to make a good repentance of sins to our Lord jesus Christ now and regularly and before passing over Amen.

Please Holy Heaven, Holy Angels, Holy Saints, Holy Martyrs Holy Souls in heaven of God The Most Highs please pray for parents for their conversions and salvation.
 
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I've been reading through former threads on lying, but those situations always seem life or death, like 'if I'm hiding fugitives is it okay to lie to the bad guys' kind of scenarios.

I've read some scripture that says to either tell the truth or be silent- but I had a situation recently where it was difficult to do either.

So say in a hypothetical situation, someone gets you a Christmas present that you already bought for yourself a few weeks ago. After Christmas, you haven't touched it and they ask you if you've used it yet- but you've used yours.

According to the scripture, you can either stay silent, which would be awkward and confusing, or you can tell the truth- no, and you won't use it because you bought it yourself.

The third option is a half-lie half-truth; you've used the item, but not the one they got for you.

Both biblical options have the potential to hurt the other person's feelings, which is why I'm struggling to come up with an answer for this.

Any opinions on this? I know the situation is small and somewhat silly, but that's when a lot of 'white lies' come around. I know white lies are still lying, but what would the correct option be when the truth can come off as hurtful?

I do not believe lying is acceptable to the Lord. I'd not by lying if I were hiding Jews in the attic during the Nazi reign either - I'm a terrible liar! I'd simply say with full conviction...There is no one in here with us...do you see anyone other than my family?

No, since I am a consistent person, I did not believe it was right to lie about Santa Claus either and we never did. We told this story the same as other stories we read. We did tell them when they were young to not say anything to other kids because some parents tell their kids Santa brought the gifts, and they never did. Not once.
 
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there was a lot of discussion on adoption forums to not lie whatsoever to an adopted child because of establishing trust and bonding/attachment

so a lot of us AP's chose to not do the Santa thing

Santa vs no Santa thread on one adoption forum went on for pages!
I get that sis and appreciate it. I was using it as an example. I do think a better example is the Jews and WW2. You have Jews hiding in your home, you are doing this because you know if found they will be killed. So, you offer them safety. The SS show up and ask if you are hiding Jews. The answer "yes" gets them killed and maybe you for hiding them in the first place. An answer of "no" is a lie, but the lie is saving lives. So... which answer do you think God would prefer... a lie that saves lives, or a truth that gets good and innocent people killed?
 
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In response Saint Steven to your query on Holy Saint Nicholas

https://www.roman-catholic-saints.com/

Our Lord Jesus Christ said to Holy Saint Marie Chambon and to His thousands of Holy Saints now in Heaven:

"Call upon Holy Heaven and all of My Saints, Holy Martyrs, holy Souls in Heaven, all of Holy Heaven to pray with you and for you"

This is for all Holy causes and all of them are Patron Saints on Holy causes one is able to pray for daily.

For instance Holy Saint Nicholas is the Patron Saint of Children. One is able to pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, to Holy Spirit and to Most Holy Mother Mary calling upon Holy Saint Nicholas to pray with me and for Children and or for that Holy cause prayed at that time.

Often I include Holy Saint Joseph, The Foster Father of our Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour, Holy Saint Anna, Holy Saint Joachim, Holy Saint Ezra, Holy Saint Aaron, Holy Saint John, Holy Saint Peter, Holy Saint Melchizedek for our Lords Priests and Religious, Holy Saint David, Holy Saint Stephen, Holy Saint Faustina, Holy Saint Veronica, Holy Saint Elizabeth, Holy Saint Zechariah, Holy Saint Ezekhiel , Holy Saint Jeremiah, Holy Saint Catherine of Sienna, Holy Saint Simon Stock, Holy Saint Dominic, Holy Saint Gertrude, Holy Saint Therese, Holy Saint Gemma Galgani, Holy Saint Catherine Emmerich, and in and through our Lord Jesus Christ they are praying with me, for the cause, and for myself lastly.

Yes I attended Holy Confession this afternoon to our Lord Jesus Christ in and through Holy Spirit - our Lord Jesus Christ forgave me and His Holy Penance given to me and done. Then our Lord Jesus Christ asked me to bring to Him all those hearts/Souls of whom are committing wicked acts and that His Holy Divine Sacred Heart was sorrowful today prior to Holy Mass in Prayer after I asked Jesus how he was today. Then Jesus asked me to bring to Him the whole world and immerse it in His Holy Sacred Wounds and in His Precious Holy Blood and in His Ocean of Mercy of which I did and to offer up to Him the whole world prior to Holy Mass, and then our unfathomable Divine Mercy asked me to bring Him the whole world in which I did prior to receiving our Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit in His Holy Heavenly Divine Eucharist offering up our Lord again in His Holy Divine Heavenly Flesh and in His Holy Divine heavenly Precious Blood in His Holy Divine Heavenly Eucharist of which Jesus says contain My Blessings, My Gifts My Graces and in Him in His Holy Confession.

It is through and by ourLord Jesus Precious Holy Blood we are saved in many many Holy Heavenly Divine Ways in our Lord Jesus Christ and in His Mercy to be given or not His unfathomable Divine Mercy. We have that opportunity to receive Jesus Mercy. For those repenting sins in trust to Him from hearts in deep remorse and sorrow.


 
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Holy Saint Nicholas

Patron Saint of Children

follows:
  • Fact 1 - St. Nicholas is commonly identified with Santa Claus due to his reputation for generosity, secret gift-giving and his kindness to children
  • Fact 2 - He is the Patron Saint of Children and his patronage extended to many countries and professions including merchants, the falsely accused, repentant thieves and sailors
  • Fact 3 - Saint Nicholas was born c. 270 in Lycia in Turkey, which was a province of the Roman Empire
  • Fact 4 - As a young man he worked in the family's fishing fleet
  • Fact 5 - Traditions of giving and bringing gifts to children are especially connected with St. Nicholas.
  • Fact 6 - During his early years Christians were persecuted by the Roman Emperor Diocletian (r.284-305)
  • Fact 7 - Nicholas became the Bishop of Myra and spoke out against the Roman pagan gods in favor of Christianity
  • Fact 8 - St Nicholas initiated the destruction of the Temple of Artemis
  • Fact 9 - The images of Saint Nicholas usually show an old man with long, white or grey hair and a beard.
  • Fact 10 - During the Middle Ages French nuns began giving gifts to needy
  • Fact 10 - During the Middle Ages French nuns began giving gifts to needy children on December 6th, St. Nicholas feast day
    • Fact 11 - Traditions of giving and bringing gifts to children are especially connected with St. Nicholas.
    • Fact 12 - He died on 6 December 346.




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Saint
Birth Date
c. 280
Death Date
December 6, 343
Place of Birth
Patara, Turkey
Place of Death
Myra, Turkey
Full Name
St. Nicholas of Myrna


  • St. Nicholas was a Christian bishop who provided for the poor and sick, and is the basis for the popular character of Santa Claus.
Who Was St. Nicholas?
Born in Patara, a land that is part of present-day Turkey, circa 280, St. Nicholas was a Christian bishop who helped the needy. After his death, the legend of his gift-giving grew. St. Nicholas transformed into the legendary character called Santa Claus, who brings Christmas presents to children around the world.

Early Life
St. Nicholas was born circa 280 in Patara, Lycia, an area that is part of present-day Turkey. He lost both of his parents as a young man and reportedly used his inheritance to help the poor and sick. A devout Christian, he later served as bishop of Myra, a city that is now called Demre.

The Short of How St. Nicholas Became Santa Claus

In 2017, a team from the University of Oxford radio carbon tested a fragment of a pelvic bone said to be from St. Nicholas. The test confirmed that the bone fragment, owned by an American priest, dated from the saint's era.

Archaeologists then hoped to match the bone to others purportedly belonging to St. Nicholas, including those housed in a crypt in Bari, Italy, since the 11th century.
 
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The great veneration with which St. Nicholas has been honored for many ages and the number of altars and churches all over the world that are dedicated in his memory are testimonials to his wonderful holiness and the glory he enjoys with God. As an episcopal see, and his childhood church falling vacant, the holy Nicholas was chosen bishop, and in that station became famous by his extraordinary piety and zeal and by his many astonishing miracles. The Greek histories of his life agree he suffered an imprisonment of the faith and made a glorious confession in the latter part of the persecution raised by Dioletian, and that he was present at the Council of Nicaea and there condemned Arianism. It is said that St. Nicholas died in Myra, and was buried in his cathedral.

St. Nicholas' episcopate at Myra during the fourth century is really all that appears indubitable authentic, according to Alban Butler, an English Roman Catholic priest from the 1700s. This is not for lack of material, beginning with the life attributed to the monk who died in 847 as St. Methodius, Patriarch of Constantinople. Nevertheless, the universal popularity of the saint for so many centuries requires that some account of the legends surrounding his life should be given.

St. Nicholas, also known as "Nikolaos of Myra," was a fourth century saint and Greek bishop of Myra. Nicholas was born in Asia Minor in the Roman Empire as an only child to Christian parents. Nicholas would take nourishment only once on Wednesdays and Fridays, and that in the evening according to the canons. "He was exceedingly well brought up by his parents and trod piously in their footsteps. The child, watched over by the church, enlightened his mind and encouraged his thirst for sincere and true religion." Both of his parents tragically died during an epidemic when he was a young man, leaving him well off, but to be raised by his uncle - the Bishop of Patara. Nicholas was determined to devote his inheritance to works of charity, and his uncle mentored him as a reader and later ordained him as a presbyter (priest).

An opportunity soon arose for St. Nicholas and his inheritance. A citizen of Patara had lost all his money, and needed to support his three daughters who could not find husbands because of their poverty; so the wretched man was going to give them over to prostitution. Nicholas became informed of this, and thus took a bag of gold and threw it into an open window of the man's house in the night. Here was a dowry for the eldest girl and she was soon duly married. At intervals Nicholas did the same for the second and the third; at the last time the father was on the watch, recognized his benefactor and overwhelmed Nicholas with his gratitude. It would appear that the three purses represented in pictures, came to be mistaken for the heads of three children and so they gave rise to the absurdstory of the children, resuscitated by the saint, who had been killed by an innkeeper and pickled in a brine-tub.

Coming to the city of Myra when the clergy and people of the province were in session to elect a new bishop, St. Nicholas was indicated by God as the man they should choose. This was during the time of persecutions in the beginning of the fourth century and "as he [Nicholas] was the chief priest of the Christians of this town and preached the truths of faith with a holy liberty, the divine Nicholas was seized by the magistrates, tortured, then chained and thrown into prison with many other Christians. But when the great and religious Constatine, chosen by God, assumed the imperial diadem of the Romans, the prisoners were released from their bonds and with them the illustrious Nicholas, who when he was set at liberty returned to Myra."


According to other traditions St. Nicholas was not only there during the Council of Nicaea in 325, but so far forgot himself as to give the heresiarch Arius a slap in the face. The conciliar fathers deprived him of his episcopal insignia and committed him to prison; but our Lord and His Mother appeared there and restored to him both his liberty and his office.

As against Arianism so against paganism, St. Nicholas was tireless and often took strong measures: among other temples he destroyed was that of Artemis, the principal in the district, and the evil spirits fled howling before him. He was the guardian of his people as well in temporal affairs. The governor Eustathius had taken a bribe to condemn to death three innocent men. At the time fixed for their execution Nicholas came to the place, stayed the hands of the executioner, and released the prisoners. Then he turned to Eustathiujs and did not cease to reproach him until he admitted his crime and expressed his penitence.


St. Nicholas' presence was found in a separate occasion involving three imperial officers simply on their way to duty in Phrygia. When the men were back again in Constantinople, the jealousy of the prefect Ablavius caused them to be imprisoned on false charges and an order for their death was procured from the Emperor Constantine. When the officers heard this they remembered the example they had witnessed of the powerful love of justice of the Bishop of Myra and they prayed to God that through his merits and by his instrumentality they might yet be saved. That night St. Nicholas appeared in a dream to Constatine, and told him with threats to release the three innocent men, and Ablavius experienced the same thing. In the morning the Emporor and the prefect compared notes, and the condemned men were sent for and questioned. When he heard they had called on the name of the Nicholas of Myra who appeared to him, Constatine set them free and sent them to the bishop with a letter asking him not to threaten him any more, but to pray for the peace of the world. For a long time, this has been the most famous miracle of St. Nicholas, and at the time of St. Methodius was the only thing generally known about him.
 
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