#walkaway

[98cwitr]

There were the KKK and Neo Nazis marching on one side, and those opposed to the KKK and Neo Nazis marching on the other side.

You may see an equivalence between these two groups. I do not.


False flag? Twisting words? I said Trump was rewarding the loyalty of part of his base, specifically the KKK and Neo Nazis. You said every recent president has rewarded loyalty. I then asked you to provide evidence regarding recent presidents supporting the KKK and Neo Nazis.

The only way it is logical that I "twisted words" is if you literally equate the KKK and Neo Nazis with any other political group, and for example see them as no different than grandmothers who stomp door to door handing out pamphlets supporting their favourite candidate. I am sure this is not what you really believe, so how about apologizing for accusing me of "twisting words," and perhaps try to take a more realistic view of what Trump actually says?

Let me ask you two questions to set precedence:

Neo-Nazis came out in support on social media of Taylor Swift, do you believe that now makes Taylor Swift a Neo-Nazi sympathizer?

Do you support Antifa calling the black Portland police officer racial slurs?

 

[Liza B.]

I think it's good that some liberals are finally speaking out against the herd mentality of the Left. It must take a lot of courage for them being in ultra liberal areas (such as the Bronx, or L.A) and stand as an individual knowing they'll be attacked and condemned for their political views.

Candidly dismissing this movement as nothing but Russian bots is one of the reasons why there is frustration towards the Left and the Democratic Party. The intolerance to listen to other views as their exaggerated self-opinion of itself have left them with a delusional perspective of reality that many liberals are getting fed up with hence #walkingaway.

THere's so much truth in this post that a lot of people won't be able to handle it. I really wonder what those who were kneejerking to "Bot!" "Russians!" do if they even begin to entertain that it might be real.

 

[ubicaritas]

Looks right wing.

Also worth pointing out they offered zero solutions to the problems they identified.

It looks like the black equivalent of religious right type rhetoric. The solution is "old time religion" aggressively reasserted into public life.

This is really bizarre if you think about it because black Americans are much more religiously involved than white Americans (indeed, black church attendance is actually holding steady whereas white church attendance is decreasing). If religion were really a panacea for the black community, you would expect alot better results.

 

[Liza B.]

If "we" don't have any solutions now...what makes you think they're going to magically appear out if thin air if you pack congress full of the idiots who have no solutions now??? This is borderline delusional thinking...

It would be more accurate to say that the president has failed to deliver on even his most modest promises...and its mainly his fault. I mean, how is it even possible that he can't fill a cabinet now??? The only person stopping that from happening is him...

What I have heard on #WalkAway from black people is that they often vote Democrat without questioning that choice. They will often say, I voted Dem, my parents, my grandparents, everyone I know. So for now, to get that big ole rock rolling another direction, you don't need to have people with a platform right out of the gate. The big sea change is them just deciding NOT to vote Democrat again, at first.

I guess it would be like if you're in a terrible marriage and you're at the point of fleeing, you're not thinking of a list of attributes you want in your second spouse. I mean you might have some IDEA, but you're mainly thinking--I'm out of here. That's where people are, and that's about what we can expect to hear.

 

[Liza B.]

I wonder why some Americans think the whole world hates them.

I just enjoyed a pleasant breakfast with some Americans here in Istanbul. I never saw anyone hating them.

Well maybe London, maybe that's why. But you know. The 21st century is all about don't believe what you see, hear, know and experience. Just believe THIS line of absolute baloney instead.

It's just uncanny.

 

[Liza B.]

That's a gross oversimplification of Sanger's thought and the time she lived in. I might as well throw away half the Bible with that sort of logic.

Free thinking humans should rise above the times they live in, especially when it comes to outright evil. That's no excuse.

 

[ubicaritas]

Free thinking humans should rise above the times they live in, especially when it comes to outright evil. That's no excuse.

Like I said, with that logic I'd have to toss out most of those OT passages about smashing babies heads against rocks and slaughtering whole tribes complete with their women and children.

Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist, but her racism was not exceptional for her day and indeed she was supported by many progressive black leaders such as WEB DuBois. Eugenics back then was not necessarily a left-right or even black-white issue.

 

[Liza B.]

By all means, pursue your agenda. When it fails though...don't expect me to foot the bill. Judeo-christian values haven't done anything for anyone...and you'd have to be almost completely ignorant of history to think they have.

The overall trend is just the opposite...the further we move from religious beliefs guiding our society the better it's been for everyone.

I generally respect your posts but honestly, this one is way, way, way off the track here.

1. Judeo-Christian values haven't done anything for ANYONE? Wow, that's a statement. Back it up?

2. You can't make a case that Christianity has done anything in history? Well we had child-sacrificing pagan religions before Christianity, maybe that was better? Example one.

3. Example two: is it better that the nuclear family is falling apart since those values have been relaxed?

4. I heard a woman on television yesterday who had seven abortions already at the age of 25. Two of them were late term abortions. Maybe those babies were better off since the "relaxing" of Judeo-Christian values?

I mean wow. In short that post was WAY "Internet Atheist Warrior" and you're almost never Internet Atheist Warrior.

 

[ubicaritas]

A Time article about Margaret Sanger and myths and distortions the Right perpetuates:

http://time.com/4081760/margaret-sanger-history-eugenics/

 

[Liza B.]

Like I said, with that logic I'd have to toss out most of those OT passages about smashing babies heads against rocks and slaughtering whole tribes complete with their women and children.

Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist, but her racism was not exceptional for her day and indeed she was supported by many progressive black leaders such as WEB DuBois. Eugenics back then was not necessarily a left-right or even black-white issue.

Both of those examples you cite are absolute fails, they just are. For just a taste, look up that first passage about "smashing babies heads" and see what's up.

Cool, I'm glad we can revise history like this. "Heinrich Himmler was a Nazi but Naziism was legal at the time and everything he did was signed off by the government. And besides, Naziism is not really left-wing or right-wing."

It was wrong. I don't care if she was Progressive or Right or what she was, or how popular her sickening views were. They. Were. Wrong.

 

[Liza B.]

A Time article about Margaret Sanger and myths and distortions the Right perpetuates:

http://time.com/4081760/margaret-sanger-history-eugenics/

There are no myths and distortions. She had racist ideas about black people. Inexcusable.

I'm really done with this topic.

 

[ubicaritas]

A lie perpetuated by the right is that Sanger was pro-abortion. She wasn't. She was a feminist that believed women should have access to contraception at a time when it was a federal crime to even discuss it in many cases. Sweeping that all under the rug in the name of narrow abortion politics is a disservice to the truth.

 

[Jack Slatts]

Well maybe London, maybe that's why. But you know. The 21st century is all about don't believe what you see, hear, know and experience. Just believe THIS line of absolute baloney instead.

It's just uncanny.

"Maybe London"? They are rejecting your president, not your country. Serious question: Do you understand that the two are not synonymous?

What line of baloney? I've read many of your posts now, and when you are discussing anything outside of the USA they all have one overriding theme: Everyone hates America, with the exception of Russia of course. I think you should read Matthew 7:7, because you are clearly finding what you are so desperately seeking.

As I said in previous post to you, I had a pleasant breakfast with an American family this morning in Istanbul. Nobody hated them. They didn't complain about being hated, but rather said they were having a wonderful time, and that the people were great. And this is in a primarily Muslim country. Your beliefs are completely at odds with reality.

 

[Jack Slatts]

Let me ask you two questions to set precedence:

Neo-Nazis came out in support on social media of Taylor Swift, do you believe that now makes Taylor Swift a Neo-Nazi sympathizer?

Did Taylor Swift make a public statement specifically supporting the KKK and Neo Nazis, as President Trump did? If the answer to this is yes, the answer to your question is yes.

Do you support Antifa calling the black Portland police officer racial slurs?

I would have no problem answering your question, but I have not heard anything about this, so it is hard to comment without knowing the details. All I know is that I've heard the name "Antifa," and I believe it stands for "anti-fascist". Could you please answer a couple of questions, then I will be happy to answer your question.

Is calling black police officers racial slurs the official policy of Antifa? If so could you please provide evidence for this? Or is this a case of some members of a group acted inappropriately, and you are blaming the entire group?

 

[KCfromNC]

These posts are the reason so, so many liberals are walking away. Really, that's what they're telling us.

Yeah, we're up to what, 5 videos on youtube that are totally not being retweeted by Russian bots?

All this "KKK, Nazi" stuff. Just a new way to call everyone who disagrees with you -ist, -ist and -ist.

No, it is something that really happened. I know the last time I mentioned it you said you didn't know about it, but that's no excuse for making things up like this. Do some research, it won't hurt.

 

[KCfromNC]

The views on this thread are typical of why people are leaving the left...its an almost bizzare lack of self awareness.

Did the president deliver a neutral/borderline supporting statement of the extreme right? Sure. Did basically every conservative congressman and senator condemn the extreme right? Yup. So at worst, we've got a vaguely racist president and a conservative congress that isn't very racist at all.

Oh, well when you put it that way it makes perfect sense that black people are moving in droves to the party led by someone who is "only" vaguely racist.

Meanwhile the left is actively engaging in political violence, suppressing dissenting views, harassing anyone on the right they disagree, and attacking freedom of speech....things that not even the neo nazis on the right are doing lol.

A neo nazi ran over and killed someone who disagreed with his views about keeping races separate. But yeah, it makes perfect sense for minorities to flock to the party whose leader is vaguely racist because the left said mean things about someone who would do that.

 

[KCfromNC]

One thing many of the WalkAway friends I have said is that we should not pay attention to racism now, what is more important are episodes of racism in the past, even if the person apologized and atoned for past behavior, the emphasize we need to stay focused on these past events as anything we see today is not relevant or influential in our lives, or it is staged.

Your WalkAway friends sound a lot like the people who make up right wing talking points.

 

[Liza B.]

Yeah, we're up to what, 5 videos on youtube that are totally not being retweeted by Russian bots?



No, it is something that really happened. I know the last time I mentioned it you said you didn't know about it, but that's no excuse for making things up like this. Do some research, it won't hurt.

Maybe you want to read the comments of people who are not conservatives on here who are calling this "bizarre". The tone-deafness, the inability to see what really is. It's why people are walking away. It's why posters like Summer Madness are reporting that he sees it in his real life.

But whatever---bots. Sure.

Bots.

 

[KCfromNC]

Free thinking humans should rise above the times they live in, especially when it comes to outright evil.

Does that including calling members of White Nationalist groups good people?

 

[Liza B.]

Does that including calling members of White Nationalist groups good people?

So because of that no one, absolutely no one, could be walking away from liberalism or the Democrats, in your mind? I mean I want to know, is this how it works for you?

I want to know, really. Trump said objectionable things so NO ONE can find anything objectionable about the other side. Therefore, all stories to the contrary must be bots, trolls, or fake.

Man, that's one awfully neat, wrapped up worldview if that's what you've got.