Muslims: what is the logic behind these verses in the Qur'an?

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Answering Islam gives sources and refutes the claims of Muslims against Christianity

No, that is what Answering Christianity does with the attacks on Muslims on Answering Islam. Most of the articles on Answering Islam have nothing to do with anything negative Muslims said against Christianity.

I already gave you a verse and here it is:
https://www.restoredrelationships.org/news/2016/01/11/domestic-abuse-divorce/

That's not a verse, it's a URL. All I ask is one. Book, chapter and verse please. Shouldn't be that hard to determine who is saying the truth here. Again, I say there is no biblical verse saying you can divorce in case of abuse. You say there is. You should be able to produce the verse in question if it exists, not an article with someone's opinion.

 

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No, that is what Answering Christianity does with the attacks on Muslims on Answering Islam. Most of the articles on Answering Islam have nothing to do with anything negative Muslims said against Christianity.



That's not a verse, it's a URL. All I ask is one. Book, chapter and verse please. Shouldn't be that hard to determine who is saying the truth here. Again, I say there is no biblical verse saying you can divorce in case of abuse. You say there is. You should be able to produce the verse in question if it exists, not an article with someone's opinion.

The link has the verse on it, why won’t you read it. Answering Christianity has been refuted by Answering Islam. Answering Christianity doesn’t actually refute Christianity logically it just insults. I personally debated Osama Abdullah myself and he just kept insulting me and quit.

 

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The Qur'an never says anything about a "last" Prophet, it says Muhammad is the Khatam Nabi "Seal of the Prophets." What that means is open to debate, but Baha'u'llah never called Himself a nabi in any case. And by the way, I was a Christian when I first read the Bible. As to whether there are contradictions between the Tanakh and the New Testament, Jews would beg to differ but if you use the same logic you use to reconcile the Old Testament with the New and apply it to the Qur'an you'll find it works fine.

I was previously Muslim myself. Nope, it does not because the Quran cannot be read on its own. To properly understand it one must read both Tafsir and Hadith. Let Jews say as they wish and we will be here to refute their claims. Muhammad himself claimed to be the "seal of the prophets":

The Prophet said: "Truly Allah made me the Seal of prophets while Adam was between water and clay." (related by Ahmad in the "Musnad," by Bayhaqi in "Dala'il an-Nubuwwa" and Ibn Kathir in his book "Mawlid Rasul Allah.")
In a variant of the verse as-Saff 61:6 by Ubayy b. Ka'ab, it reads:

"O children of Israel, I am God's messenger to you, and I announce to you a prophet whose community will be the last community and by which God will put the seal on the prophets and messengers.

 

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Marriage in Islam is still quite unfair in this sense a man may simply divorce his wife with the triple talaq, yet a women cannot divorce her husband.

We have a word to describe contracts that only one party can dissolve - ownership.

 

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We have a word to describe contracts that only one party can dissolve - ownership.

Mut’a is also a thing in Islam despite it only being practiced by Shias. There is also a word to describe Mut’a, legalized prostitution.

 

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The link has the verse on it

There are lots of verses in it, not a single one which says abuse is grounds for divorce.

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Answering Christianity has been refuted by Answering Islam.
Answering Christianity doesn’t actually refute Christianity logically it just insults. I personally debated Osama Abdullah myself and he just kept insulting me and quit.

Do we really want to bring up your own history in this regard?

 

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There are lots of verses in it, not a single one which says abuse is grounds for divorce.

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Do we really want to bring up your own history in this regard?

Answering Christianity doesn't compare to Answeing Islam you yourself may visit both sites and do a comparison on who is more honest. Answering Islam also has many rebuttals that refute Osama Abdullah and his craziness. I just have you a link which you never read, of you don't want to read it that's your problem, but sorry abuse isn't allowed in Christianity as Corinthians explains, if you've read the link that is.

 

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I was previously Muslim myself. Nope, it does not because the Quran cannot be read on its own. To properly understand it one must read both Tafsir and Hadith.

I see. Then to be consistent you should allow the Talmud to interpret the Tanakh.

Let Jews say as they wish and we will be here to refute their claims.

And I can answer Muslim objections as well. What of it? They will be no more persuaded than Jews will. No religion wants to be superseded.

Muhammad himself claimed to be the "seal of the prophets":

Never said he didn't. There is a hadith where the Prophet states "Jesus is the Seal of the Saints (wali) as I am the Seal of the Prophets." Do you really think Muhammad meant to say that he was not a saint? Of course not, to say Jesus is the Seal of the Saints is merely to say Jesus is epitome of Sainthood. Anyhow all this is explained in depth here: A Bahá'í Approach to the Claim of Finality in Islam

 

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We have a word to describe contracts that only one party can dissolve - ownership.

You do realize that the Tanakh only gave men the right to divorce? Are you critical of the Old Testament for that reason?
In any case, women do have the right to divorce in Islam but they have to have cause whereas a man does not.

 

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You do realize that the Tanakh only gave men the right to divorce? Are you critical of the Old Testament for that reason?
In any case, women do have the right to divorce in Islam but they have to have cause whereas a man does not.

The husband can divorce directly but the wife can petition for divorce through the courts.

 

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I see. Then to be consistent you should allow the Talmud to interpret the Tanakh.

And I can answer Muslim objections as well. What of it? They will be no more persuaded than Jews will. No religion wants to be superseded.

Never said he didn't. There is a hadith where the Prophet states "Jesus is the Seal of the Saints (wali) as I am the Seal of the Prophets." Do you really think Muhammad meant to say that he was not a saint? Of course not, to say Jesus is the Seal of the Saints is merely to say Jesus is epitome of Sainthood. Anyhow all this is explained in depth here: A Bahá'í Approach to the Claim of Finality in Islam

The Talmud is not held by all Jews so that's something they will have to decide. Seal of prophets is meant to describe the finality of prophethood strangely only Mohammed makes the claim. Anyhow I really don't care if Mohammed was the last false prophet or not.

 

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The husband can divorce directly but the wife can petition for divorce through the courts.

According to Islam yes, but in Judaism the court can only pressure the husband into granting a gett. The husband still has to be the one to grant it.

 

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The Talmud is not held by all Jews so that's something they will have to decide.

And not all Muslims accept ahadith and tafsir is just someone's interpretation.

 

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And not all Muslims accept ahadith and tafsir is just someone's interpretation.

Quran can't be understood without Hadith and Tafsir, while the Torah can.

 

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but sorry abuse isn't allowed in Christianity as Corinthians explains, if you've read the link that is.

I never said it was allowed, I said there is nothing in the Bible which states this is grounds for divorce. You said there was and I asked you to produce the verse and instead you came up with a URL which contained an argument but no such verse. It would be easy for you to post that verse here if it is existed, but obviously it doesn't.

 

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Quran can't be understood without Hadith and Tafsir, while the Torah can.

When I read the Qur'an for the first time as a teenager, I knew nothing about ahadith or tafsir and I read it just fine. It was much easier to get through than say, Numbers.

 

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I never said it was allowed, I said there is nothing in the Bible which states this is grounds for divorce. You said there was and I asked you to produce the verse and instead you came up with a URL which contained an argument but no such verse. It would be easy for you to post that verse here if it is existed, but obviously it doesn't.

Yes the verse is in the URL along with an article so read it.

 

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When I read the Qur'an for the first time as a teenager, I knew nothing about ahadith or tafsir and I read it just fine. It was much easier to get through than say, Numbers.

So tell me how to do wudu from the Quran.

 

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Yes the verse is in the URL along with an article so read it.

I read the article, that's how I knew what it was. There is no such verse. If there was you would have posted it a long time ago.

 

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So tell me how to do wudu from the Quran.

I didn't read the Qur'an in order to do ablutions. What does that have to do with it?