Sarah Sanders and Family Denied Service at Virginia Restaurant

[Brent W]

Okay then, I think one is more in the wrong than the other. I am defensive because you are coming on VERY strong.

I am not coming on strong. Just seeking to get to the bottom of your agenda. If you think one person should be harrassed and another should not be I want to know why.

So why should the women who called the cops on the 8 year old not be harassed but a public official using a Government official twitter account can harass a small business owner?

More wrong is not an answer. Why is one more wrong? Where does harassment become ok or more ok over another?

 

[Liza B.]

I am not coming on strong. Just seeking to get to the bottom of your agenda. If you think one person should be harrassed and another should not be I want to know why.

So why should the women who called the cops on the 8 year old not be harassed but a public official using a Government official twitter account can harass a small business owner?

More wrong is not an answer. Why is one more wrong? Where does harassment become ok or more ok over another?

You might want to know why, and I might not want to tell you.

Have a great Sunday.

 

[Brent W]

My agenda is very simple:

1. Neither woman should be harrassed
2. Both woman had the right to do what they did
3. Now both woman are receiving blow back for their decisions.

The only difference here, legally, is that both woman did not break a law yet the parties that are doing the harassing have, in my opinion, violated both women's rights.

Sarah Sanders is abusing her power on a small business owner who did nothing wrong.

 

[Brent W]

You might want to know why, and I might not want to tell you.

Have a great Sunday.

Very useless response. I'll take this as you not wanting to actively participate anymore.

 

[brinny]

...as a side note, Sarah had made reservations and booked the space ahead of time.

This owner has just possibly signed their own restaurant's "death warrant", so to speak.

Sarah most likely would not, but i'd find top notch attorneys/organizations to cream that place and anything else these owners are associated with.

Is there going to be yellow stars and/or red "A" for peoples to wear soon, opening the door to who can be targeted, hated, shunned, loathed, with displays of that hatred and vitriol ok, because THEY don't deserve nor have any rights?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana

God help us.

 

[Brent W]

...as a side note, Sarah had made reservations and booked the space ahead of time.

Under her Husbands name not giving the small business owner a chance to cancel the reservation based on her opposition politically to the customer.

This owner has just possibly signed their own restaurant's death warrant", so to speak.

Says who? The town they are in voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. Are you suggesting that you wish for people who do not live in that town to now make decisions on this small business owners fate based on politics?

Sarah most likely would not, but i'd find top notch attorneys/organizations to cream that place and anything else these owners are associated with.

Why are you so salty over a small business owner exercising their political rights against a public official?

Is there going to be yellow stars and/or red "A" for peoples to wear soon, opening the door to who can be targeted, hated, shunned, loathed, with displays of that hatred and vitriol ok, because THEY don't deserve nor have any rights?

Hyperbole fear mongering at its best. All because one public official had someone stand up to them.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana

Can you be more specific? What past are we forgetting here? Is it now going to be wrong for U.S. Citizens to stand up against public officials unless they fit into your ideology?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What beliefs? Political beliefs are not covered by the Constitution. Would love to see hard Leftists finally admit that their political beliefs ARE their religious beliefs, however.

Not arguing from a strictly constitutional viewpoint but where does the constitution guarantee a right to someone else's services?

I would agree with you that those on the left who support this business and others who have refused to serve conservatives are being hypocritical. They would gladly compel others but not themselves.

 

[brinny]

Under her Husbands name.



Says who? The town they are in voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. Are you suggesting that you wish for people who do not live in that town to now make decisions on this small business owners fate based on politics?


Why are you so salty over a small business owner exercising their political rights against a public official?



Hyperbole fear mongering at its best. All because one public official had someone stand up to them.



Can you be more specific? What past are we forgetting here? Is it now going to be wrong for U.S. Citizens to stand up against public officials unless they fit into your ideology?

I've been discriminated against in ooooogly ways because me and my family are the equivalent of a mini-United Nations.

Have you, Brent?

 

[brinny]

Not arguing from a strictly constitutional viewpoint but where does the constitution guarantee a right to someone else's services?

I would agree with you that those on the left who support this business and others who have refused to serve conservatives are being hypocritical. They would gladly compel others but not themselves.

those on the left who support this business and others who have refused to serve conservatives are being hypocritical. They would gladly compel others but not themselves.

It's not only hypocritical to the nth degree, it's downright dangerous.

 

[Brent W]

I've been discriminated against in ooooogly ways because me and my family are the equivalent of a mini-United Nations.

Have you, Brent?

That has nothing at all to do with this thread. Do you want to discuss the facts of this case or do you want to take out past issues in your life on others?

This is not a discrimination issue. There is no discrimination. No law has been broken. A political protest by a small business owner is now being attacked through Government channels against them.

This is terrifying. A small business owner can no longer stand up to an elected or public official now without fear of having their business run into the ground, not only by the fervent supporters but by the actual public official as well.

 

[Snappy1]

I look forward to it going to the Supreme Court. Until then, the only thing I see wrong here is a public official using a Government social media account to attack a small business owner.

I'd love to know your background on law that makes you so confident that Sarah Sanders could take this small business owner to court and have an "excellent case. Really excellent.".

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I think Liza teaches Civics in the fall. And that's about it.

 

[brinny]

That has nothing at all to do with this thread. Do you want to discuss the facts of this case or do you want to take out past issues in your life on others?

This is not a discrimination issue. There is no discrimination. No law has been broken. A political protest by a small business owner is now being attacked through Government channels against them.

This is terrifying. A small business owner can no longer stand up to an elected or public official now without fear of having their business run into the ground, not only by the fervent supporters but by the actual public official as well.

What you find terrifying and what i find terrifying are two different things apparently.

Oppression, in any form is dangerous.

It should never be defended.

 

[SilverBear]

I understand that. But if you think it was a great day because SS was refused a meal, but it's a terrible day when a Christian refuses to bake a gay wedding cake because his moral conscience objects, then I submit you're letting biases get in your way.

But it's different when you do it.

 

[Brent W]

It should never be defended.

Wow. You are literally defending oppressing a small business owner for standing up to a public official in this very thread.

Not only are you defending it, you are encouraging it and you seem to be doing it with anger and spite.

 

[KCfromNC]

He did not refuse to create a cake for them because of their sexual orientation.

He sold wedding cakes to straight people but not to them. What's the difference between those two types of customers? Seems like orientation plays a pretty significant role.

 

[Liza B.]

Not arguing from a strictly constitutional viewpoint but where does the constitution guarantee a right to someone else's services?

I would agree with you that those on the left who support this business and others who have refused to serve conservatives are being hypocritical. They would gladly compel others but not themselves.

It does not. We have laws on the books now.

 

[Snappy1]

I'm sorry--am I not allowed my opinions on this opinion site? Am I not allowed to think one was more in the wrong than the other?

What in the world is going on here?

Well Liza, your opinion is being questioned and challenged. And you can provide evidence to support it. It's remarkable that the concept is so surprising to you.

 

[Liza B.]

...as a side note, Sarah had made reservations and booked the space ahead of time.

This owner has just possibly signed their own restaurant's "death warrant", so to speak.

Sarah most likely would not, but i'd find top notch attorneys/organizations to cream that place and anything else these owners are associated with.

Is there going to be yellow stars and/or red "A" for peoples to wear soon, opening the door to who can be targeted, hated, shunned, loathed, with displays of that hatred and vitriol ok, because THEY don't deserve nor have any rights?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana

God help us.

Exactly. Because this is not, "I cannot participate in this event with you," but, "I will not even serve you a meal."

That's where we are now. God help us indeed.

 

[Liza B.]

I think Liza teaches Civics in the fall. And that's about it.

Okay, sure. Why not.

 

[Liza B.]

Well Liza, your opinion is being questioned and challenged. And you can provide evidence to support it. It's remarkable that the concept is so surprising to you.

Been doing nothing but providing evidence this entire thread. I don't appreciate having my opinion presumed.