Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

[visionary]

Yes we are in agreement....but I wonder if paul is referring to the day of Yahavah that is prevented to be revealed in his time ...

that 2 things must take place before yahshua is revealed ....

That the day of the lord YHVH will not be revealed or come until there come a falling away and man of sin comes...

And something that hinders Anti messiah is taken out of the way..and I have.no idea what that is....so say its the rapture of the church ...I really don't know

As for the strong delusion. ..I believe it will be those who are perishing believe Heylel is the true Yahavah ....

2 Yahavah in the last days....one in heaven reigning down wrath before he returns....the true Yahavah

The other a false Yahavah ...a man (Heylel) king of Babylon oppressing the children of Israel ...claiming to be Yahavah

And the law will play a major role in those days .....

On one hand u have those that keep the commands but have the testimony of yahshua....they are being exterminated ....

The other hand you have those that keep the commandments but deny yahshua and will perish with this newly crowned Yahavah leading them against the true Yahavah yahshua ...


Your thoughts appreciated....

I too, have pondered what could possible be in the way, and has to be removed or fallen away in order for Yeshua to come or be revealed. There is the four angels holding back the four winds in Revelation.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

 

[dfw69]

I too, have pondered what could possible be in the way, and has to be removed or fallen away in order for Yeshua to come or be revealed. There is the four angels holding back the four winds in Revelation.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Well from my standpoint a gentiles Christian believer who is oppose to the law for self righteousness...as well as one who believes yahshua fulfilled all the feast except Tabernacles ...

The falling away is returning to the law of Moses....to perform old rituals ...to walk in the ordinances again.. To walk in the old ways

Christians should not do that ....because the rehearsals are not necessary for us....we believe yahshua is the fulfillment of them.....our hope should be on a heavenly home and awaiting our new bodies. The laws we keep are love one another forgive judge not condemn not love enemies etc.. But lets not go there...no need for another law thread lol...

Or even if a new temple is erected ..a so called "messianic temple" with new covenant rituals spoken of in Ezekiel is erected ...that can constitute a falling away from our hope and faith in our desire to live with the father in heaven

We must not walk in the flesh that's the whole point of our faith .....yahshua is our redeemed ....yahshua is our sacrifice yahshua is our truth and our way to the father in heaven...

 

[visionary]

Well from my standpoint a gentiles Christian believer who is oppose to the law for self righteousness...as well as one who believes yahshua fulfilled all the feast except Tabernacles ...

The falling away is returning to the law of Moses....to perform old rituals ...to walk in the ordinances again.. To walk in the old ways

Christians should not do that ....because the rehearsals are not necessary for us....we believe yahshua is the fulfillment of them.....our hope should be on a heavenly home and awaiting our new bodies. The laws we keep are love one another forgive judge not condemn not love enemies etc.. But lets not go there...no need for another law thread lol...

Or even if a new temple is erected ..a so called "messianic temple" with new covenant rituals spoken of in Ezekiel is erected ...that can constitute a falling away from our hope and faith in our desire to live with the father in heaven

We must not walk in the flesh that's the whole point of our faith .....yahshua is our redeemed ....yahshua is our sacrifice yahshua is our truth and our way to the father in HEAVEN....

How can "falling away" be a return? Rehearsals become memorials. To me a "falling away" has more to do with the moral decay... and lawlessness.

 

[Hoshiyya]

falling away means eg. gay pride parades in tel aviv. debauchery. wild abandon.

 

[visionary]

falling away means eg. gay pride parades in tel aviv. debauchery. wild abandon.

Yep.. moral decay

 

[dfw69]

falling away means eg. gay pride parades in tel aviv. debauchery. wild abandon.

It would seem lawlessness is basic sin ...and breaking the commandments of Hashem.....but misusing the law and doing things unlawfully is lawless as well is it not?

 

[dfw69]

How can "falling away" be a return? Rehearsals become memorials. To me a "falling away" has more to do with the moral decay... and lawlessness.

Well for instance sis...the temple of Ezekiel is supposed to be confirmed by a prophet ...Elijah is promised to come...then yahshua....they will restore Israel


But what if mankind decided to take these matters in thier own hand and create a so called messianic age.?..With a temple and sacrifices and judgement and condemnation upon sinners....all in the name of hashem ...yet no authority to do these things whatsoever....yet they create a new world order....is this not lawlessness?

 

[Hoshiyya]

It would seem lawlessness is basic sin ...and breaking the commandments of Hashem.....but misusing the law and doing things unlawfully is lawless as well is it not?

"doing things unlawfully is lawless ... is it not?"

doing things unlawfully is doing things unlawfully, call it what you want i guess.

 

[dfw69]

People who walked in the law killed the prophets....killed yahshua....is it possible the law will kill again in the hands of Satans Heylel?

 

[Hoshiyya]

People who walked in the law killed the prophets....killed yahshua....is it possible the law will kill again in the hands of Satans Heylel?

if they followed the law they would not kill an innocent man, conduct his trial in the night (this is illegal) and so on.

 

[dfw69]

if they followed the law they would not kill an innocent man, conduct his trial in the night (this is illegal) and so on.

Yes exactly......they had the law as a platform though....it shape the minds of unbelievers .. ..and in thier heart most likely thought it was the righteous thing to do...

But what does the law do in ones heart ? ...it points to gays parades in tel Aviv...and moral decay....or call someone pagan heretics ..the law judges and condemns in ones heart.... ..breeds hate....bigotry etc. .

We are called by yahshua to love forgive judge not condemn not the heretic the sinner the homosexual ...why? Can they be saved through yahshua?. Yes ....

All men have the opportunity to enter heaven through yahshua ..

Yahshua is capable of transforming all men to become the children of hashem....and one day he will do so...

But the mystery of iniquity imo is to judge and condemn in the name of the law and denying yahshua altogether ..

And that seems to be what paul was saying ....this man of sin yet to come sitting as hashem in the future temple judging and condemning with his law in his hand ...exterminating the children of Israel ...

 

[dfw69]

The faith in yahshua is walking on the spirit of love for all men (sinners)

The falling away from the faith is hate for the love of many will wax cold...and the law will play a major role in the falling away from the faith ...imo

 

[dfw69]

Look at Paul before he was converted...a Pharisee who persecuted the church ...where was his heart ? He had Zeal for the law not mankind...and persecution came from the works of his hands against the church

he received mercy though and became a slave for yahshua and then he became the victim from his peers ....he received persecution from unbelieving law keepers....

So is the building of the new temple a good thing?...unless Elijah and Yahshua build it ...I think not ...

But people desire a temple nonetheless ...so it will most likely be built ..then will come the days of darkness... Leading up to Heylel ...it is written ...

 

[visionary]

Law of man kills, law of God is perfect converting the soul.

 

[dfw69]

Law of man kills, law of God is perfect converting the soul.

Law of Moses says stone sinners...law of Christ says forgive.

 

[visionary]

Law of Moses says stone sinners...law of Christ says forgive.

God's law of heart at work

 

[miknik5]

Well no I disagree Paul was referring to the inner chamber of a temple.....ie holy place in the temple of god ..the final.Anti Christ will sit and establish himself as god of Israel and the world

He will claim to be Yahavah made flesh

Okay in regards to 2 Thessalonians yes Paul was referring to a physical structure made by the hands of men

This church (which is not THE HOUSE of GOD) will be built as Paul clearly acknowledges

However Paul does NOT acknowledge this church as the TRUE CHURCH

Nor does any true follower of CHRIST acknowledge this church as anything belonging to GOD

Let me be clear...
The church Paul was speaking about in 2 Thessalonians (where the anti christ will sit and claim himself to be god) is not GODS BODY/BRIDE acknowledged by Paul or ANY follower of CHRIST as GOD’s HOUSE

I hope that is more clear

 

[miknik5]

People keep saying that like where do they get in scripture that Satan will become human or appear in human form?

If its a reference to the fall of Lucifer the supposed angel of light , its a poor translation of the original Hebrew word Heylel ....the future king of Babylon.. I don't believe Lucifer exist its A made up Latin name...Satan? yes ...he was in the garden and the accuser of job...accuser of the brethren

But Heylel is a future man who claims to be God ....no doubt when yahshua walked the earth some thought and some still believe today he was Heylel profecied by Isaiah....

Because Satan is the great imitator.

You ask Where does it say it?

It says it in revelation 13 regarding the truth that this fleshly “beast” is of Satan’s spirit for it is written people will be found worshipping both the beast and the dragon who gave his power to the beast

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[visionary]

Okay in regards to 2 Thessalonians yes Paul was referring to a physical structure made by the hands of men

This church (which is not THE HOUSE of GOD) will be built as Paul clearly acknowledges

However Paul does NOT acknowledge this church as the TRUE CHURCH

Nor does any true follower of CHRIST acknowledge this church as anything belonging to GOD

Let me be clear...
The church Paul was speaking about in 2 Thessalonians (where the anti christ will sit and claim himself to be god) is not GODS BODY/BRIDE acknowledged by Paul or ANY follower of CHRIST as GOD’s HOUSE

I hope that is more clear

I like your thinking here. This temple has nothing to do with God's people. God's people do not build it. God's people do not support it. God's people are not involved in any way with it. Those who do build, support, and worship in it are not Gods people. They are claimers.

 

[miknik5]

People keep saying that like where do they get in scripture that Satan will become human or appear in human form?

If its a reference to the fall of Lucifer the supposed angel of light , its a poor translation of the original Hebrew word Heylel ....the future king of Babylon.. I don't believe Lucifer exist its A made up Latin name...Satan? yes ...he was in the garden and the accuser of job...accuser of the brethren

But Heylel is a future man who claims to be God ....no doubt when yahshua walked the earth some thought and some still believe today he was Heylel profecied by Isaiah....

No some don’t think that
Some know that HE JESUS CHRIST was GOD made manifest in the flesh

Some may deny that but that is the truth

And any person accepting another already makes manifest that they are not and do not have the TESTIMONY of GOD

for who is anti christ sir but anyone who denies JESUS CHRIST as coming in the flesh

If he were but a man sir there would be no other way that HE could have come to us but in the flesh

But because it is noted this is HE who came in the flesh

Well then sir it should be GREATLY noted