Why Do Evolutionists Always Battle the Theist and Not the Discussion?

[AV1611VET]

Yep it does figure , I’ve got enough basic science info and have studied it well enough to teach it.

That figures too.

 

[Brightmoon]

Could we please get off the apes?

I'm trying to make a point.

Go back farther.

Where did the apes come from?

And back farther.

Eventually you'll have life emerging from the sea … correct?

If my daddy was an ape, and his daddy was a primate, and his daddy was a lungfish, and his daddy was a gill fish, then doesn't logic dictate that I came from a fish?

you didn’t read what I wrote as I explained that
By the way ,Silurian lobefin lungfish had gills and lungs . Lungs don’t evolve from gills. Lungs evolved as a vascularized pouch in the gut. Humans have what is left of those gills in their throats as the parathyroid glands . The parathyroids regulate calcium levels in the blood and that is also what fish gills do( as well as intake O2)

 

[HitchSlap]

[Try to] have a nice day.

Tough to answer straight forward questions, eh.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The banana video shows us that God gifted us those who created a banana hybrid for human consumption.

Ever heard of a natural hybrid? It was discovered that the varieties of bananas commonly cultivated were hybrids long after they existed, so it is impossible to say if people intentionally made the cross or not originally.

Just like He could have gifted us Charles Darwin to find the cure for cancer, had Darwin not gone astray.

Pfft, that implies YHWH doesn't know if people are going to follow the path it wants them to take or not. That, or Darwin was made to go astray. Neither of those things suit your personal beliefs very well.

 

[Hank77]

@AV1611VET
Bananas are such little things. I find this statement made by a famous atheist, much more interesting?

"Because there is a law of gravity the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

False Logic
1. Because there is a law of gravity [which is something] the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Well you might say that a law of gravity isn't really something, but a law in science explains something that does exist, in this case gravity.

2. A law of nature cannot do anything, let alone create something.

Therefore,
Because there is gravity the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

gravity = something gravity 'does not =' nothing
nothing = nothing

Scientists statements are not always logical.

Are God and Faith Anti-Science and Anti-Reason? | John Lennox

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You don't consider bones to be physical?
You don't consider the environments the bones are found in to be physical?
You don't consider DNA to be physical?
You don't consider the behavioural patterns of apes and men to be physical? I mean if a bonobo punched you on the nose because you took its bannana I would think that would be pretty physical.

So, none of these things are physical evidence? What an odd way of viewing the world.

Those are suppositions not evidence.

Bones are just bones...
Environment is just a location...
DNA shows nothing but the similarity that most animals have in common and doesn't show the evolution of species, genus, family, order, class, etc...
Behavioral patterns are grasping at straws to create a narrative, not evidence...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Another prime example of how creationists trying to talk about science, can't be taken seriously by those who actually have a basic understanding of science and its terminology.

The "it's just a theory" argument is such a PRATT that an entire web-page was put online just to make clear how silly that argument is.

www.notjustatheory.com

That site is, together with the FAQs on talk-origins, is probably one of the most linked sites on this forum in these discussions.

Another thing that is very frustrating to us, is that even after that site has been linked to dozens, hundreds, of times, the very people to whom it was address, still continue to spread the same falsehood.

Yes, the dishonesty gets on our nerves. And rightfully so, I might add.
There comes a point where it can no longer be tolerated after a while.

Great, does that mean you'll no longer be posting this evolution falsehood on here?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Because the fight is over, we won. The only place creationism lives now is the occasional anonymous internet forum like this one, and failed business ventures. Thus it is the people putting the failed ideas forward that are more interesting than the failed ideas themselves.

Seeing as how your "theory" on God's existence is wrong, imo, why should I believe your "theory" of the universes origin?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

As I'm sure you have been told countless times, the physical evidence is the DNA of both humans and the other great apes.

We share similarities with all animals... once again, not evidence. It could just as well be evidence for a common Creator, although I'm sure if I presented that, you would say that wasn't evidence.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I bet that kid went back to her teacher and asked and was told the truth that some people believe odd things . If she was a good teacher she would have shown her pictures of apes skeletons and let her draw the same conclusion that scientists -did that these organisms are closely related to humans. As far as homosexuality, when she met a gay person she’ d treat him or her as she would any other person instead of behaving with bizarre,insulting ,fear and disgust for no discernible reason

Or maybe she would feel pity and compassion and pray for that individual who was sinning against God by their perverse sexual behaviour...

 

[HitchSlap]

... for a common Creator, although I'm sure if I presented that, you would say that wasn't evidence.

I think you know exactly why we'd say it wasn't evidence.

 

[Tanj]

Seeing as how your "theory" on God's existence is wrong, imo, why should I believe your "theory" of the universes origin?

Once again, not the point...actually really not the point since this was about evolution not cosmology...whether you personally choose to believe evolution or not has no impact on it's having won the war, so believe what you like on the topic.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

No physical evidence.

any other kind of evidence?

It's a "theory"... all they have is their debating points.

and evidence, and facts, etc.

Actually, indoctrinated is a better term. There were two young girls in our building that used to come over visit my wife and I and were curious about our faith (their parents never taught them about God)... one day they came from school and burst through the door saying that they just found out that we came from apes. We tried to explain to them that there is no actual physical evidence for that and there answer was, "why would our teachers lie to us".

We are taught to believe those in authority to us... teachers being a great example. Just like when elementary kids are shown sex ed. material and taught that feelings for and experimenting with the same sex is "normal". What do you think the child is going to believe?

We didn't come from apes, we Are apes regardless if there is a God or not. That you don't want to acknowledge these facts, doesn't make it false. Lying to kids doesn't make you right either.

 

[Brightmoon]

Or maybe she would feel pity and compassion and pray for that individual who was sinning against God by their perverse sexual behaviour...

I live in NYC not Hicktown USA . The lady in the hijab is walking next to the flamboyant gay man in feathers and makeup. And no one is giving either a second glance. Ain’t happening , kid!

 

[Brightmoon]

Great, does that mean you'll no longer be posting this evolution falsehood on here?

being a wiseass isn’t evidence either

 

[pitabread]

We tried to explain to them that there is no actual physical evidence for that and there answer was, "why would our teachers lie to us".

Exactly, why would their teachers lie to them?

 

[PsychoSarah]

We share similarities with all animals... once again, not evidence. It could just as well be evidence for a common Creator, although I'm sure if I presented that, you would say that wasn't evidence.

-_- it isn't, because that presumes that animals HAVE TO BE genetically similar. In reality, they wouldn't even need to be restricted to the 4 base DNA we are familiar with, given that our own species was able to create a functional 6 base DNA organism.

Plus, the codons of DNA are so redundant that it is possible to create a genome that would match the functions of a human genome but is genetically extremely dissimilar.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I agree that BungleBear was careless in his reading of your post.

I'd be interested to know how you came to that conclusion given that I haven't responded to any posts by Skywriting. In fact Skywriting's first post comes after my last one.

Perhaps you should just put me back on ignore.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Those are suppositions not evidence.

Bones are just bones...
Environment is just a location...
DNA shows nothing but the similarity that most animals have in common and doesn't show the evolution of species, genus, family, order, class, etc...
Behavioral patterns are grasping at straws to create a narrative, not evidence...

It appears that you do not understand the meaning of the words "evidence" and "supposition". As Ana the 1st pointed out in post 10 the creationist response to meaningful evidence is to claim "that is not evidence", and there you are doing exactly that.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You're not listening.

No, I read Abraxos' post several times and, on reviewing it again, I understood perfectly what was said.

If you mean I didn't listen to your post, perhaps you should look at the order we posted in. I could not have read your post as you had not posted it.

YE Creationist are taught that evolutionary theory is the result of a brainwashing process....and it's true. True for any obscure concept that the mind must be prepared for teaching. So it follows perfectly that advanced education results in less believe in a young earth.

Unless you can provide some evidence, I'm going to reject your assertion that education is brainwashing.