Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

[ProtectionET]

I've always seen the river in some sort of Spiritual context rather than being an actual river

Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

How many trees grow fruit every month and bring healing? That's got to be a spiritual analogy in my book

I'm also curious why the measure of the river was done and a test of how deep it is - this again seems more like a spiritual concept? Some people just tip their toes in the "river" some go deeper. A similar illustration is found in Revelation

Revelation 22
Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb, down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, producing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nation

If you compare the book of the prophet Ezekiel and the Revelation of John, then these two books have a lot of parallel places. But in this case, in the Revelation of John, the images of the spiritual world are the main ones, and in the book of the prophet Ezekiel there are many pictures from the material world. For example, a cube city from the Revelation of John can not be built, because its height will reach outer space, and the city in Ezekiel's prophecy has quite acceptable dimensions, and only in two dimensions.

As for the 12 or 13 trees of Paradise, these trees have terrestrial images of specific tree species. In the New Testament there are mentioned 12, or maybe 13 fruits of the Spirit, and to each of these fruits of the Spirit there corresponds a certain tree, a mention of which is in the books of the Old Testament.

For example, the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a fig tree, and the corresponding fruit of the spirit of this tree is righteousness.

Therefore, the material realization of the prophecy of Ezekiel will be a graphic illustration of the spiritual world.

 

[AbbaLove]

My exact reaction when i read that Israeli article (BIN). So, what was the Sanhedrin thinking? Why would the Sanhedrin be so "deeply mistaken." That's why i posted the article because you being from Russia would know what was the Sanhedrins motivation to seemingly involve Putin. Is it all political jostling and if so how does that make the Sanhedrin like they have the upper hand?

I think all these political games and jostling are a waste of time. That Temple, which the Sanhedrin would like to build, will never be built. Expectations of many Christians who think that the devil wants to build a trap for himself will not come true. The entire Christian theory that the antichrist will sit in the Jewish temple is erroneous.

So then it's your belief that the Sanhedrin (Temple Institute) will never build a 3rd Temple anywhere in what is now Jerusalem, but that the 3rd Temple will reside miles away from what is now considered the City of Jerusalem?

Therefore, I would urge all of us not to pay attention to Trump or Putin, ignore the political games of the Sanhedrin, and instead take active steps to implement the project of the Messianic Temple in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel.

Is there any significant event that you believe has to occur that will encourage/motivate Israel to begin the ground work for Ezekiel's Temple according to Ezekiel's width and length measurements. It seems the impetus to initiate such a monumental task would have to be approved primarily by what is now mostly a secular government. What archeological discovery might it take to motivate Israel's largely secular government to take action. Or do you think some other event will be the motivating factor?

 

[ProtectionET]

So then it's your belief that the Sanhedrin (Temple Institute) will never build a 3rd Temple anywhere in what is now Jerusalem, but that the 3rd Temple will reside miles away from what is now considered the City of Jerusalem?

The fact is that the place in the Judean Desert, where according to the prophesy of Ezekiel the Temple will be built, will also be called Jerusalem. Probably, there will be a free bus route that will work even on Saturdays, because it will be considered a temple service of the Levites.

And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. (Revelation 16:19)

divided - this word is not present in the Greek original. There, as in 2 Thessalonians 2: 7, used the word "ginomai" - "appear."

After the 6th the vial of the wrath of God, orthodox Judaism ("river Euphrates") recognizes " the kings of the east" as the 10 lost tribes of Israel returned by Jesus Christ, and we will then be able to build the city of Yahweh Shamah.

After that, three different places in Israel will be called Jerusalem:
1. the former Jerusalem,
2. the Temple in the Judean Desert,
3. the City of Yahweh Shamah.

Is there any significant event that you believe has to occur that will encourage/motivate Israel to begin the ground work for Ezekiel's Temple according to Ezekiel's width and length measurements. It seems the impetus to initiate such a monumental task would have to be approved primarily by what is now mostly a secular government. What archeological discovery might it take to motivate Israel's largely secular government to take action.

The most optimal option would be if at a certain place on a mountainside 543 meters high would be confirmed the ruins of the ancient altar of Abraham (Jehovah Ira, in the land of Moria), and about 120 meters to the west would be found fragments of a bronze knife and fossil remains of a ram , the age of more than 4000 years.

Unfortunately, I do not have the freedom to come to Israel, I do not have the documents and money for this, I do not speak Hebrew or English, so the search for an archaeologist who would agree to go to the Judean desert to inspect the ruins that are visible in the picture and for searches fragments of a knife with a metal detector - this is an insoluble task for me.

 

[FIRESTORM314]

You've put a lot of work into this - it's quite impressive. How much time have you spent working on this.
Is the design your own ( using Ezekiels measurements ) or did you find them elsewhere?

 

[pinacled]

The fact is that the place in the Judean Desert, where according to the prophesy of Ezekiel the Temple will be built, will also be called Jerusalem. Probably, there will be a free bus route that will work even on Saturdays, because it will be considered a temple service of the Levites.

And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. (Revelation 16:19)

divided - this word is not present in the Greek original. There, as in 2 Thessalonians 2: 7, used the word "ginomai" - "appear."

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After the 6th the vial of the wrath of God, orthodox Judaism ("river Euphrates") recognizes " the kings of the east" as the 10 lost tribes of Israel returned by Jesus Christ, and we will then be able to build the city of Yahweh Shamah.

After that, three different places in Israel will be called Jerusalem:
1. the former Jerusalem,
2. the Temple in the Judean Desert,
3. the City of Yahweh Shamah.



The most optimal option would be if at a certain place on a mountainside 543 meters high would be confirmed the ruins of the ancient altar of Abraham (Jehovah Ira, in the land of Moria), and about 120 meters to the west would be found fragments of a bronze knife and fossil remains of a ram , the age of more than 4000 years.

Unfortunately, I do not have the freedom to come to Israel, I do not have the documents and money for this, I do not speak Hebrew or English, so the search for an archaeologist who would agree to go to the Judean desert to inspect the ruins that are visible in the picture and for searches fragments of a knife with a metal detector - this is an insoluble task for me.

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Now that is an impressive aerial of the land.
When exploring the terrain of the Torah there is something to remember.
There is a level beyond the sod.
As you illustrated the water flowing to the south. It is important to remember Havel and all the blood and water that the Ruach of Life witnessed through and has healed since the Beginning.
the water flowing from the threshold is what i saw as the water that is ephrayim flowing into the land that is manesseh.
Such is a Blessing upon the 4th generation during the allotted time to give praise during a full moon with a first fruits full of seeds.

Being that there are 11 garments meant to be washed.
The 11 tribes i spoke of in considering the covering of the Mishkan and Shekinah as the All Mighty showed me before hearing his Voice.," What do you Think of My Son?"

If a person need reconciles leaving a gift at the altar, shavao, shavout shalom. there being need a of gift that needs naming while washed through each mikveh of the yr(baptism).

As for the garments being washed.
This is a part of the seal upon the right hand and forehead.

First a person must take to Heart the beauty of instruction handed down to moshe and the 70 elders.

Courage in fire brothers and sisters.

So first i will ask.
How many bases of silver are there?

Then i would love to talk about gold.

Blessings Always.

 

[pinacled]

You've put a lot of work into this - it's quite impressive. How much time have you spent working on this.
Is the design your own ( using Ezekiels measurements ) or did you find them elsewhere?

hehe, sit back and enjoy the ride

 

[pinacled]

It seems to me that most Christians do not realize that described in Ezekiel's vision of the Third Temple there is a second coming, rapture of the church.

And it seems to me that most Christians and Messianic Jews passively await actions from the devil, as if he is about to begin to build a temple for himself, according to their misinterpretation of the 2 nd Epistle to Thessalonians.

I assure you: the devil can be satisfied with the passivity of the official denominations of the Christian religion, they do not in the least prevent him from remaining the prince of this world. He will never build himself a temple, where he will immediately be caught, like a mouse caught in a mousetrap. He actually prefers to occupy a place in another Temple, about which the apostle Paul said that in him there must be a living God.

And the construction of the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel will serve as a sign for the general assembly of the elect from the four winds, the meeting of the messengers of Jesus Christ, us and you. Therefore, it is the construction of the Third Temple in the Judean Desert and will cause fury of the opponents of God and Christ.

And it's strange to me: are all asleep, or have they died, or is there simply no one on earth, not one believer?

—Tuk-tuk-tuk. Wake up, Neo!

there is no ceiling.
those three tiers are spoken of by ole Sh,aul.

 

[ProtectionET]

You've put a lot of work into this - it's quite impressive. How much time have you spent working on this.
Is the design your own ( using Ezekiels measurements ) or did you find them elsewhere?

Initially, the scheme of the Temple was developed by my wife, she was educated as a civil engineer. She sought to depict the Temple in strict accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. It was in 2010, at that time we already understood the Messianic significance of this Temple as the meeting place of the messengers of the whole Church.

At that time we were given a computer, and the Internet became available to us. I downloaded the program SketchUp and began to make a computer model in accordance with the sketches drawn by my wife. In 2014, the 3D model of the Temple looked like this:

Any additional details that were not mentioned in the prophecy of Ezekiel were added to the model, when we had an understanding that they were necessary. So, a dome in the shape of a sail appeared over the House of the Sanctuary, - we understood that the Temple should stand for a long time, therefore it should be protected from atmospheric precipitation.

In 2017, I decided to perform a new assembly of the 3D model, "from scratch." In order for some control of my constructions from outside observers, I created a corresponding topic in one of the Christian forums, and began to publish there fresh images of the new assembly of the 3D model of the Third Temple. I also created a blog where I posted images of this new 3D model and wrote down comments - why I made this or that decision.

Apparently, the presence of outside observers helped me: I saw a few mistakes in the previous constructions and was able to find the right solutions that satisfied the prophecy of Ezekiel. As a result, the final version of the 3D model of the Third Temple was ready in the spring of 2018.

All the architectural solutions were given to me with great difficulty: I do not have the education of an architect. I wanted to make these decisions consistent with the spirit of Ezekiel's prophecy, echoing the motives of the Holy Scriptures.

Since the Temple will actually stand on the water, and the lengths of the three sides of the Temple, measured in the prophecy of Ezekiel, are equal to 100 cubits each, this Temple resembles Noah's Ark, whose length was 300 cubits. Like Noah's Ark, the outer building of the House has 3 tiers, and the upper floors are 1 cubit wider than the previous ones.

As the theme of the water and Noah's Ark appeared in the main building, the roofs of the galleries and refectory rooms are concave like sea waves. The blue color of the roofs is explained by the bluish color of the solar cells: I decided that the temple complex should be provided with an autonomous power supply.

This whole project, I think fit as a model for the creation of the final draft by professional architects and designers. I am ready to defend all the dimensions indicated in this project: these dimensions correspond to the prophecy of Ezekiel.

As for the baptisteries, which are not mentioned in Ezekiel's prophecy, I saw these mikvahs near the Eastern gate in a dream about a year and a half ago, but I did not include them in the project until I realized that they are quite appropriate.

 

[AbbaLove]

The fact is that the place in the Judean Desert, where according to the prophesy of Ezekiel the Temple will be built, will also be called Jerusalem. Probably, there will be a free bus route that will work even on Saturdays, because it will be considered a temple service of the Levites.

According to the Torah there is to be no work on the Sabbath. So, perhaps Palestinians will offer shuttle service.

Where in the Bible does it indicate that another second "Jerusalem" including a Third Temple (width x length of Ezekiel's Temple) will be laid out and built with the help of Christians and Messianics in the Judean desert. The scripture you quote in Revelation is not referring to a man made Temple.

If this Temple is to be built by us, Messianic Jews and Christians, then why are we engaged in any other business except the most important???

That's a big IF assuming you believe this Temple's primary use will be by Orthodox Jews.

 

[pinacled]

Do you really think that along the creeks Nahal Hever and Nahal Arugot in the Judean desert are already growing fruit trees, and in the bend of the Dead Sea between Ein Gedi and Ein Eglaim today, someone is fishing?

And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
(Ezekiel 47:10)

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I assure you, there is a desert, and the Dead Sea is dead.

I can assure you that the Lord fullfills ever promise.

I know this may be somewhat difficult to acknowledge.
But gilgal and shechem are sacred borders that were forgotten, and so yecheskel is given ears, eyes, and a mouth to instruct.
Just as yeshayahu was given a coal from the altar.

The ancient and solem reminder of gilgal is spoken of by David when he spoke of the valley of the shadow of death.
Just as Caleb had walked with joshua.
Yehoshua 15.
From east to west the garment was measured.
To the south rueben secures the very place called the five pools,.
Also called shilo whose tower is south of shomrom.

Blessings secured within the folds of time till the Lord sees fit.


And if I recall, anyone can observe for themselves in you tube videos.
Once dry river beds overfolwing
From 2014 till today.

 

[ProtectionET]

According to the Torah there is to be no work on the Sabbath.

The work of the priests in the Temple was not considered a violation of the Sabbath. If any service should ensure the work of the Temple on Saturday, then it should be allowed. Of course, such workers must be in the staff of the Temple workers (Levites). If the guard works at the gate of the Temple on Saturday, why should bus drivers be banned to ensure the flow of visitors to the Temple? As for non-Jews, observance of the Sabbath must be mandatory throughout Israel:

But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: (Exodus 20:10)

I think that everyone who works for you should be treated like your slaves and they should not work for you on Saturday. I categorically oppose all sorts of halachic tricks that allow us to do such things: against selling the Chametz to a non-Jew on the days of Unleavened Bird, against the exception for courts to exact a debt after the sabbatical year. All this is lawlessness, but working in the Temple on Saturday is not a violation of the Sabbath.

That's a big IF assuming you believe this Temple's primary use will be by Orthodox Jews.

For us, this Temple is necessary, because without this Temple the Church will be dead, the denominational separation will never be overcome, the Jewish people will never turn to Jesus Christ and the world will never believe in God and Jesus Christ. This is why Christians and Messianic Jews need this Temple. This Temple provides the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the rapture of the Church.

All the rest of Israel, Orthodox Jews, receive this Temple as a gift from the resurrected Messiah Yeshua, they will be able to use this Temple when the period of the 7 vials of the wrath of God ends.

And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
(Revelation 15:8)

Until then, the Temple will be used by the Church as the site of the Messianic wedding feast. After the end of the vials of the wrath of God, we will have another meeting place: the city of Yahweh Shamah.

 

[ProtectionET]

But gilgal and shechem are sacred borders that were forgotten

Ezekiel lists other geographical names.

And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad;
Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran.
And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.
And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.
And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.
The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.
So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
(Ezekiel 47:15-21)

Kadesh actually is not located where it is considered to be. When Ezekiel points the southern border to Al Arish, then this boundary must be maintained along the entire stream. Then the appropriate place for Kadesh is moshav Ein Yahav, where there is a source of bitter water, and the name of the moshav is consonant with Tetragrammaton. I checked the correspondence of the sizes of the areas for the southern and northern hereditary destinies of the tribes of Israel:

The procedure for determining the exact location of the Third Temple and determining the exact borders of Israel in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel

 

[ProtectionET]

 

[ProtectionET]

It seems the impetus to initiate such a monumental task would have to be approved primarily by what is now mostly a secular government.

I can tell you what our right actions can be in order to build the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel.

We must have a church, a messianic community with a significant number of members who have Israeli citizenship. This community should support Ezekiel's Temple project in the Judean Desert. This Messianic community must officially apply to the government of Israel to obtain permission to build buildings for the worship of a certain place in a nature reserve in the Judean Desert. If the government of Israel refuses to grant such permission, then this government will not stand. This situation will be the same as in the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, only the role of the pharaoh will be the government of Israel.

Therefore, I think that our proposal to the government of Israel will be such an offer, from which they can not refuse.

Any other options: separate negotiations with the Sanhedrin, or fawning in front of Trump or Putin, will lead to nothing. It's a waste of time.

 

[FIRESTORM314]

I don't think the Solar Panels on the roof are a good idea - the boss upstairs has enough power of his own. Lighting up that place with electricity might not go down well. After all - the purpose of the River was to provide life and power for people.

I take it all the images were rendered using software. That's a pretty slow process. How come it took you until 2010 to get a computer and internet access in your part of the world. As a personal question - are you of Jewish descent and why do you have an interest in Ezekiels Temple being built?

As far as spiritual significance...

The spring starts at the temple and is a symbolic for the life giving spring from God which is Jesus. He gave his life's blood at the alter. Following the stream down River may be some indication of how far you have followed the Spirit. The River gets deeper the further on you are and gives life to those it touches.

I don't think Ezekiel's temple will be built physically - it doesn't make sense to do so imo. God is building his own temple which is the Church so why would he inspire people to build this one as well? To me it would be unbelief in Jesus and the church if this temple was built after the formation of the Church. I Don't Really Know - but it is very interesting. I'll sit and see what happens or until I get some revelation on the matter.

 

[ProtectionET]

As a personal question - are you of Jewish descent and why do you have an interest in Ezekiels Temple being built?

I do not know my Jewish ancestors, except Jesus Christ. When I believed in Jesus Christ (this happened in 1991), I soon realized that Jews are my nation. I do not know why this happened.

 

[FIRESTORM314]

I do not know my Jewish ancestors, except Jesus Christ. When I believed in Jesus Christ (this happened in 1991), I soon realized that Jews are my nation. I do not know why this happened.

God moves in mysterious ways ProtectionET - who can fathom what he does and whom he uses.
God Bless

 

[pinacled]

I can tell you what our right actions can be in order to build the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel.

We must have a church, a messianic community with a significant number of members who have Israeli citizenship. This community should support Ezekiel's Temple project in the Judean Desert. This Messianic community must officially apply to the government of Israel to obtain permission to build buildings for the worship of a certain place in a nature reserve in the Judean Desert. If the government of Israel refuses to grant such permission, then this government will not stand. This situation will be the same as in the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, only the role of the pharaoh will be the government of Israel.

Therefore, I think that our proposal to the government of Israel will be such an offer, from which they can not refuse.

Any other options: separate negotiations with the Sanhedrin, or fawning in front of Trump or Putin, will lead to nothing. It's a waste of time.

You have to remember that only dimensions are given.
I do not recall any specific materials mentioned in the construction.

Blessings Always.

 

[visionary]

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

I believe this is a pivotal verse. I believe there will important developments in the religious world among the religious leaders before the temple is even built. And I do believe it will be built. I am not concerned as to who builds it or why, what I am going to watch for is who is going to sit in it and declare himself God. That is the important part. The details of when, where, and why are trivial compared to what happens inside.

 

[ProtectionET]

I do not recall any specific materials mentioned in the construction.

And the four tables were of hewn stone for the burnt offering, of a cubit and an half long, and a cubit and an half broad, and one cubit high: whereupon also they laid the instruments wherewith they slew the burnt offering and the sacrifice. (Ezekiel 40:42)

This probably allows you to sharpen the knives on the edge of the table.

The door posts, and the narrow windows, and the galleries round about on their three stories, over against the door, ceiled with wood round about, and from the ground up to the windows, and the windows were covered; (Ezekiel 41:16)

This creates a contrast with the wall, like vertical columns against the background of the light material of the walls.

The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the LORD. (Ezekiel 41:22)

I did not design the altar for incense, because I decided that it could be done without my participation.

And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, cherubims and palm trees, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. (Ezekiel 41:25)

Also there were carved on them, on the doors of the nave, cherubim and palm trees like those carved on the walls; and there was a threshold of wood on the front of the porch outside. (Ezekiel 41:25 - NASB)

This wooden bar lies in front of the entrance doors, reminding.

In all other cases, materials can be selected by architects and designers on the basis of technical requirements for structures.