Whale Fossils Discovered High Up In Andes Mountains

[The Barbarian]

It was fast moving water that ran very slowly.

Of course. Why didn't I think of that?

 

[The Barbarian]

The Andes mountains don't merely have marine fossils. The Cordillera Oriental (eastern Andes) are largely made of marine fossils, oceanic limestone.

 

[twin.spin]

The problem with holding to a non-creation \ non-global flood is very simple: it's a rejection of God's Word.

No, its a rejection of the authoritarian churches false doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture that they themselves wrote!

As stated before … it's a rejection of God's Word.
2 Peter 3

"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. …. they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

 

[Marvin Knox]

The only thing that drown in the Israelites flood myth was common sense! Seems they were having difficulty tracing their blood lines back to Adam when they were appropriating Mesopotamian history, so they drown the whole world to fill the gap!

No, its a rejection of the authoritarian churches false doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture that they themselves wrote!

Scientists solve mystery of mass whale graveyard in Chile

I see that you label yourself as a Christian seeker.

I looks to me like you are a skeptic of the scriptures.

Keep seeking and perhaps the Lord will lead you out of the darkness you obviously walk in currently.

 

[twin.spin]

Barbarian asks:
The Coconino sandstone is made of great deposits of eroded rock, forming desert dunes, which were subsequently buried and hardened.



How did this get formed in soft sediment by very fast moving water?

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The same way this did

 

[The Barbarian]

Don't see an entrenched meander there. How exactly, does a sudden rush of water make that happen? As you probably know, such sudden floods have been observed again and again, and they've never made an entrenched meander.

Why is that?

 

[Chris V++]

Critics that have problems with a global flood often point out there isn't enough water on the planet to cover the mountain tops. But what if volcanism, plate tectonics ,and mountain uplift were all happening at the same time the flood waters were prevailing and then receding? Underwater trenches like Mariana (36201 ft deep) opening up and glacier / ice pole formations would also explain the apparent deficiency in water. (Mariana is deep enough to fit Mt Everest) During the flood account the land was under water for about 10 months before the tops of the mountains shown. Maybe the mountains grew and grew underwater during those 10 months due to accelerated land formation. Combine the global flood with plate tectonics and rapid uplift would also explain marine fossils present on mountain summits, since fossils don't form so easily without rapid sedimentation, which is a characteristic of flooding.

 

[Strathos]

So, from where does your evidence come about the extent of the flood?

There are many potential candidates in the geological record, such as the Black Sea deluge theory, the draining of glacial Lake Agassiz, the impact that created the Burckle Crater, etc.

I don't presume to know which one was the flood of Noah, however.

 

[Colter]

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As stated before … it's a rejection of God's Word.
2 Peter 3

"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. …. they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

Peter and Paul aren't God, their words were sincere opinions about the world in an age of ignorance. They didn't know anything about evolution or the age of the earth etc.

 

[Colter]

I see that you label yourself as a Christian seeker.

I looks to me like you are a skeptic of the scriptures.

Keep seeking and perhaps the Lord will lead you out of the darkness you obviously walk in currently.

I'm a seeker of truth beyond the superstition from an enchanted age. I'm skeptical of the wild claims written by the kind of men who killed the Son of God.

 

[Colter]

 

[Colter]

 

[Colter]

How old is the Nazca Plate?
"Nazca is a relatively young plate both in terms of the age of its rocks and its existence as an independent plate having been formed from the break-up of the Farallon Plate about 23 million years ago. The oldest rocks of the plate are about 50 million years old."



World Heritage Encyclopedia

 

[The Barbarian]

Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. …. they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

This applies to creationists as well as to anyone else. The Bible, of course, doesn't say the whole earth was destroyed. So what does "world" mean in the Bible?

Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

So it means something like "everything in our area."

 

[Isaiah60]

OP, I am not in any way an atheist.

but I tell you, if you wish to be a scientist, then you must approach the search for the truth with an open mind. and currently you are not doing that. Because you have already decided what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' ... before you even consider the facts. And that is not science.

The uplift of mountains is well established. Do you think that scientists simply make this stuff up? In fact, measurements of changes in the Earth's surface are routinely done with high-accuracy GPS. The science is data -driven. And for example, uplift rates in places like the Himalayas are very high. And this is very consistent with the theory of Plate Tectonics.

If you choose to ignore measured facts, that can be a personal decision for you. Personally, it may be OK. But you would do a great disservice to the minds of our young people, esp. those in church-based education, if you teach falsehoods and call them the truth.

There is no science supporting the Young Earth hypothesis. Current estimates for the age of the Earth range from 4.2 billion to 4.6 billion years old. No doubt these estimates will be refined in the future.

Blessings!!

You say you're not an atheist but have just defined science through the lens of atheism. You should do some history research and find out who those founding fathers of modern science were and where their dedication to the Lord took civilization. Atheists have only brought modern civilization down to her knees, now making her submissive to Islam and anarchy. Such a shame.

 

[Isaiah60]

How old is the Nazca Plate?
"Nazca is a relatively young plate both in terms of the age of its rocks and its existence as an independent plate having been formed from the break-up of the Farallon Plate about 23 million years ago. The oldest rocks of the plate are about 50 million years old."



World Heritage Encyclopedia

Evolutionists say it was an asteroid and creationists say it was the Flood. If you take either view as its stated in theory without criticizing either theory for things not agreed with, what you end up getting is an earth where the carbon balance is messed up to the point where modern dating methods will not work. Also, evolutionists have been busted playing with the dates until they get the date that best support their scheme on science. There is no way of knowing dating method that far back even work. Its not verifiable science and therefore cannot be accepted as science. Such philosophy is useless talk and it doesn't explain-away how whales got up on the Andes. It just deviates from the problem that evolutionists are faced with and they knew its a problem which is why modern theories are including a near global flood to make up for the problem. But thats a retreat from their standard theory that firestorms create sedimentary rock.

 

[Marvin Knox]

I'm a seeker of truth beyond the superstition from an enchanted age. I'm skeptical of the wild claims written by the kind of men who killed the Son of God.

Which men were those?

Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul are not among those of the kind who killed the Son of God were they?

All of them confirm the traditional view of creation and would not support the idea of evolution.

 

[Colter]

Evolutionists say it was an asteroid and creationists say it was the Flood. If you take either view as its stated in theory without criticizing either theory for things not agreed with, what you end up getting is an earth where the carbon balance is messed up to the point where modern dating methods will not work. Also, evolutionists have been busted playing with the dates until they get the date that best support their scheme on science. There is no way of knowing dating method that far back even work. Its not verifiable science and therefore cannot be accepted as science. Such philosophy is useless talk and it doesn't explain-away how whales got up on the Andes. It just deviates from the problem that evolutionists are faced with and they knew its a problem which is why modern theories are including a near global flood to make up for the problem. But thats a retreat from their standard theory that firestorms create sedimentary rock.

No, evolutionist don't say an asteroid causes the movements of the plates which elevated ancient sea floors up to become todays mountains.


There are a number of dating techniques which substantiate each other. The most accurate is radiometric dating which is verified by the asteroids that come in from the earliest matter which formed our solar system.


There have been many, many huge floods over millions of years which trapped the earliest forms of life up to the present. The story of Noah was a vast exaggeration on the part of the Hebrew authors. IT is an obvious fiction which is believed by some, not because it sounds remotely true, but because its in the Bible along with other more plausible teachings.


A Christian scientist explains radiometric dating.https://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens2002.pdf

 

[Colter]

Which men were those?

Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul are not among those of the kind who killed the Son of God were they?

All of them confirm the traditional view of creation and would not support the idea of evolution.

The elite priest class who put the son of God through a trumped up trial and killed him. Anything written by Moses, who predates the OT writings by 1,000 years, was redacted and edited by different authors who wrote in retrospect long after the events depicted. In doing so they left errors, contradictions and clues about what was there before such as Cains concern about people out in the world where he would eventually find a wife. There are duplicates of the same stories in the scripture with differing statements of fact.


The people who wrote the Bible had faith, they wrote about the world as they understood it. We now know sooooo much more about the world then they did when they created the creation story.

 

[twin.spin]

Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. …. they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.​

This applies to creationists as well as to anyone else. The Bible, of course, doesn't say the whole earth was destroyed. So what does "world" mean in the Bible?

Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

So it means something like "everything in our area."

Correct Biblical exegesis defines what "world" means … there are many Scriptures where "world" does not mean "everything in our area". I won't bother with all of them, these two will suffice:

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.​