Jesus Kept The Law

[LoveGodsWord]

No, I have provided Gods word concerning the tenth commandment. Previously, you wanted to discuss the TC ceaselessly. Now you refuse to discuss the wording of one of those commands.

None of that is true whatsoever. This is sad for you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

BTW
What you are writing is irrelevant according to what the tenth commandment states.

Here you go again your words over Gods and no scripture or do you address the scriptures that disagree with you. Do you have any scripture to share?

 

[mark58]

None of that is true whatsoever. This is sad for you.

Oh it is very true. I am discussing the wording of the tenth commandment. And according to the wording of it: Thou shalt not covet/lust/have impure thoughts. That is all it says, nothing more

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oh it is very true. I am discussing the wording of the tenth commandment. And according to the wording of it: Thou shalt not covet/lust/have impure thoughts. That is all it says, nothing more

Ok friend I will leave you with the last word it seems you need it more than me as you do not use scripture.

Nice talking to you chat more latter.

Let me know when you have some scripture to share?

 

[mark58]

Here you go again your words over Gods and no scripture or do you address the scriptures that disagree with you. Do you have any scripture to share?

I have another wry smile. You have to ignore what one of the ten commandments actually states don't you.
I've done nothing but quote scripture, one of the TC, but you refuse to address it. Strange, as you believe the believer will be judged on the basis of obeying the TC

 

[mark58]

Ok friend I will leave you with the last word seems which are you own words again. you need to more then me. Nice talking to you chat more latter.

The Ten Commandments are an inflexible law. There is no pass mark of obedience to them that can entitle you to enter heaven. Perfectly obey them or stand guilty before them. There is nothing in those commands that speak of mercy or forgiveness.

 

[mark58]

To be clear NO.

As stated above in many posts so far to you, everyone has impure thoughts.

These are temptation to SIN. TEMPTATION is NOT SIN. TEMPTATION BECOMES SIN when you make sinful thoughts your own.
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Totally irrelevant according to the letter of the commandment:
Thou shalt not covet.

But I wonder, how many sda members would be able to honestly state every time an impure thought came to them, every time they desired anything belonging to another they immediately dismissed the thought and never dwelt on it.
But I guess these websites are just to discuss pet head theologies, and for many, it doesn't matter if they are devoid of reality

 

[1stcenturylady]

To be clear NO.

As stated above in many posts so far to you, everyone has impure thoughts.

These are temptation to SIN. TEMPTATION is NOT SIN. TEMPTATION BECOMES SIN when you make sinful thoughts your own.

You were trying to make it look I was saying something I was not. This is bearing false witness as it was not somthing I was saying.

Hope that help. Ok chat soon.

Just to acknowledge something we agree on. Temptation is not sin. We can always resist the devil and he sill flee.

 

[mark58]

Just to acknowledge something we agree on. Temptation is not sin. We can always resist the devil and he sill flee.

The Tenth commandment simply states: Thou shalt not covet. It speaks of nothing else. The Apostle Paul continually states the Christian cannot be justified/ righteous by observing the law. He is not nor can he be referring to the law we often term the legalistic law, for that law could be faultlessly obeyed, therefore you could be justified by obeying it alone. Paul stated he as a Pharisee faultlessly observed that law(Phil3:6) as I imagine did the Pharisees of Jesus day,yet Christ said they did not know God. The problem was always the moral law of the Ten Commandments. But you have to fully understand what that law entails!
In romans ch7 Paul gave an example of why he had to die to the law(of righteousness) the example he gave was:Thou shalt not covet. one of the Ten Commandments. Many laws you can keep outwardly before others, but thou shalt not covet relates to law concerning the inner man, law that only you and God need know you break. No one on the inside lives a perfect life, that's the reality. The idea that a seventh day Adventist immediately and always resists every inward temptation, covetous thought that comes to them is ludicrous. In fact, in my experience sda members are those I have most found guilty of breaking the tenth commandment. I could explain why, but they would not be willing to listen.
Sadly, most on these websites are not interested in discussing worthwhile spiritual truth, or being honest about the reality of theirs and others lives, they only want to reel off pat head theology which is mostly devoid of reality.
However, thou shalt not covet is inflexible. You either covet/desire nothing you should not desire, or you are guilty of breaking the commandment. Making, or seeking to make excuses for breaking it is something that can never lead to worthwhile discussion, or growth in the Christian life. But I expect little of value from these websites these days.
But every cloud has a silver lining. Glad to read your posts
God bless

 

[listed]

None of that is true whatsoever. This is sad for you.

What then is the problem with discussing the word covet, its forms and implications. Since you seem to have defended yourself there should be no problem.

 

[listed]

None of that is true whatsoever. This is sad for you.

I made a statement about the link you provided without address. You quote from 1 John about sin and the devil. It must be your claim you don't sin. My problem is you aren't in compliance with the 4th commandment without amending it even you your claim is to be in the spirit of the law.

 

[listed]

The Tenth commandment simply states: Thou shalt not covet. It speaks of nothing else. The Apostle Paul continually states the Christian cannot be justified/ righteous by observing the law. He is not nor can he be referring to the law we often term the legalistic law, for that law could be faultlessly obeyed, therefore you could be justified by obeying it alone. Paul stated he as a Pharisee faultlessly observed that law(Phil3:6) as I imagine did the Pharisees of Jesus day,yet Christ said they did not know God. The problem was always the moral law of the Ten Commandments. But you have to fully understand what that law entails!
In romans ch7 Paul gave an example of why he had to die to the law(of righteousness) the example he gave was:Thou shalt not covet. one of the Ten Commandments. Many laws you can keep outwardly before others, but thou shalt not covet relates to law concerning the inner man, law that only you and God need know you break. No one on the inside lives a perfect life, that's the reality. The idea that a seventh day Adventist immediately and always resists every inward temptation, covetous thought that comes to them is ludicrous. In fact, in my experience sda members are those I have most found guilty of breaking the tenth commandment. I could explain why, but they would not be willing to listen.
Sadly, most on these websites are not interested in discussing worthwhile spiritual truth, or being honest about the reality of theirs and others lives, they only want to reel off pat head theology which is mostly devoid of reality.
However, thou shalt not covet is inflexible. You either covet/desire nothing you should not desire, or you are guilty of breaking the commandment. Making, or seeking to make excuses for breaking it is something that can never lead to worthwhile discussion, or growth in the Christian life. But I expect little of value from these websites these days.
But every cloud has a silver lining. Glad to read your posts
God bless

One of the things I think would apply here is things like soy bean hot dogs. If you want to have a hot dog, why not get the real thing. If I see you eating a soy been hot dog I don't know it's a soy been hot dog. I only know it's a hot dog and being eaten like one. So what is the personal testimony? If I see you drinking non alcoholic beer, all I see is your drinking beer. Same difference with the phony hot dog.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Tenth commandment simply states: Thou shalt not covet. It speaks of nothing else. The Apostle Paul continually states the Christian cannot be justified/ righteous by observing the law. He is not nor can he be referring to the law we often term the legalistic law, for that law could be faultlessly obeyed, therefore you could be justified by obeying it alone. Paul stated he as a Pharisee faultlessly observed that law(Phil3:6) as I imagine did the Pharisees of Jesus day,yet Christ said they did not know God. The problem was always the moral law of the Ten Commandments. But you have to fully understand what that law entails!
In romans ch7 Paul gave an example of why he had to die to the law(of righteousness) the example he gave was:Thou shalt not covet. one of the Ten Commandments. Many laws you can keep outwardly before others, but thou shalt not covet relates to law concerning the inner man, law that only you and God need know you break. No one on the inside lives a perfect life, that's the reality. The idea that a seventh day Adventist immediately and always resists every inward temptation, covetous thought that comes to them is ludicrous. In fact, in my experience sda members are those I have most found guilty of breaking the tenth commandment. I could explain why, but they would not be willing to listen.
Sadly, most on these websites are not interested in discussing worthwhile spiritual truth, or being honest about the reality of theirs and others lives, they only want to reel off pat head theology which is mostly devoid of reality.
However, thou shalt not covet is inflexible. You either covet/desire nothing you should not desire, or you are guilty of breaking the commandment. Making, or seeking to make excuses for breaking it is something that can never lead to worthwhile discussion, or growth in the Christian life. But I expect little of value from these websites these days.
But every cloud has a silver lining. Glad to read your posts
God bless

Hi Mark,

I wasn't following closely your debate with LGW on coveting as I wasn't interested. I merely agree with James that just being presented with a temptation isn't a sin, unless you DWELL on it.

 

[mark58]

One of the things I think would apply here is things like soy bean hot dogs. If you want to have a hot dog, why not get the real thing. If I see you eating a soy been hot dog I don't know it's a soy been hot dog. I only know it's a hot dog and being eaten like one. So what is the personal testimony? If I see you drinking non alcoholic beer, all I see is your drinking beer. Same difference with the phony hot dog.

You know, and I mean this sincerely. I could feel sorry for those who demand you obey the letter of the law to attain to heaven. For they do not understand the truth of the message, though they can reel off the partial letter and believe their ability to do that shows they do understand it. But it is the cruelty and callousness of it that appals me. For they do not appear to care who they crush along the way with their demands. Innocent people, who may naively believe these people do in their own lives practice what they demand of others. So it is hard to feel sorry for them. My sorrow goes out to those they trample on by quoting the letter that kills, and demanding it be fully obeyed while they themselves do not even try and fully obey what they demand of others.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Blind as a bat...

Says the one trying to lead into the ditch...

 

[1stcenturylady]

Says the one trying to lead into the ditch...

How do you view Colossians 2? It says "let no man judge you..."

1. That I am not to judge you for keeping the food laws and holy days?

2. Or that you are not to judge me for NOT keeping the food laws and holy days?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Says the one trying to lead into the ditch...

It is blind to focus all your time and energy on the law of Sin and Death, after we've been freed from the desire to sin by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. Don't you want to be free and enjoy the Law of Liberty? Do you even know what I'm talking about, or does it just sound too good to be true?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How do you view Colossians 2? It says "let no man judge you..."

1. That I am not to judge you for keeping the food laws and holy days?

2. Or that you are not to judge me for NOT keeping the food laws and holy days?

These were ceremonial issues being hashed about not the Commandments.

Just so you know, the dietary laws are something I follow because thy make sense to me and i bleive God made me and knows whats best for me... I would never post that someone else needs to do these things. Big difference between this and the Commandments God gave all of mankind that predicate our standing before God and whether we'll gain entrance into the city.

 

[1stcenturylady]

These were ceremonial issues being hashed about not the Commandments?

Just so you know, the dietary laws are something I follow because thy make sense to me and i bleive God made me and knows whats best for me... I would never post that someone else needs to do these things. Big difference between this and the Commandments God gave all of mankind that predicate our standing before God and whether we'll gain entrance into the city.

I like those foods too. Sometimes I ask my grocer to buy me a case of Worthington Choplets and Scallops. Even though they put MSG in them and that is poison. I called them up once and asked them if they are so health conscious why add MSG. She didn't know. I asked her to pass on the suggestion.

The reason why I asked is Bob Ryan seems to think what Paul is saying about the judging is No. 1. I think No. 2. Which do you believe?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I like those foods too. Sometimes I ask my grocer to buy me a case of Worthington Choplets and Scallops. Even though they put MSG in them and that is poison. I called them up once and asked them if they are so health conscious why add MSG. She didn't know. I asked her to pass on the suggestion.

The reason why I asked is Bob Ryan seems to think what Paul is saying about the judging is No. 1. I think No. 2. Which do you believe?

Sorry, I am not a vegetarian so I assume that dish is a soy based Adventist staple. I am referring to the Biblical dietary laws.

As for the question between you and Bob, let each be convinced in their own mind. It matters not what I judge you on or vice versa... God's standards are the only thing that matter...