The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

[JacksBratt]

There are also people who will tell Christians that if they believe in God, then they must also believe we should be wearing tin foil hats, and other such nonsense. Atheists see Christians as people who believe in something that doesn't exist, because they don't believe in God themselves.

In all reality, if someone tells someone else that "if they believe in God, they must believe something else" then they are not to be trusted at all.

Would you not agree?

What atheists see Christians as... is of no consequence as to what is actually true about Christians.

 

[JacksBratt]

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2 Corinthians 11:4).

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24).

21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23).



You said, I quote:

"...if the FE caused them to look at scripture and believe it is the "gospel" truth..." ~ Jacks Bratt.​

Again, the FE message is NOT the gospel and nor is it gospel truth. The gospel is this:

What I am saying is this....

People, once non believers, study the FE view, accept the FE view... and as a result of their acceptance of the FE view... they conclude that their must be a designer, must be a creator, they must need a savior... and as a direct result of this.. they accept the gospel, all the Christian aspects of the gospel and become born again Christians.

Are you to say that they are not saved? Are you to conclude that due to their view of the physical state of the earth being different than yours, that they cannot be saved?

I think that is a dangerous view to hold.

It is a fact that the FE view, whether right or wrong, is changing the view of these people toward an acceptance of the fact that they need a savior... Who are we to condemn that?

 

[JacksBratt]

No. It is not! The Bible does not teach a flat Earth. People read what they think are FE verses and rip them out of the context to prove that is what it is saying. They need to ask God for the understanding on what those verses are really saying instead of trying to understand them with their human mind alone or what they prefer those verses to say so as to prove a belief that they find comforting for whatever psychological reason.

Actually, I'm not going to continue to debate this with you... There are people, good solid Christian people with solid understanding in the theology of the scriptures that can show, in proper context, that the bible solidly describes a stationary, unmovable, earth.
Can you show me scripture that describes the earth as a spinning ball, orbiting the sun and moving through space?

It is one thing to contradict a view... It is another to show scripture that supports your own.

 

[JacksBratt]

You mentioned nothing about Jesus here and His death and resurrection. You said they have a belief in God's word and they are now children of God because of having a belief in God's word. A person can say they believe in the Bible and FE but they may not believe in the gospel. Believing in that the Bible is the Word of God or FE is not the requirement for salvation.

Sorry that I did not mention the death and resurrection. Let me clarify... these people, due to their acceptance of the FE model, have come to accept the necesstiy of a creator, designer and therefore a savior.

In short, these people are now born again Christians, saved by Christs blood.. They just happened to come to their belief in Christ by way of their acceptance of the FE model.

Does this negate their belief in Christ as their savior?

 

[JacksBratt]

The gospel being that we believe Jesus died and rose again for our salvation, and not FE right?

Right, one can believe in the FE or globe earth and fully believe in the gospel and be saved.

I am sure I am not alone in that opinion. But the opinion is founded upon sound and reasonable Science that we can observe. Every evidence breathes in harmony together. But this is not the case with FE. You are forced into believing in contradictions or in doubting regular folk. You have to think people in the South pole are lying about the 24 hours of daylight and the stars rotating differently than those who view the stars in the North pole. You have to shield your eyes from basic things I say about ships dropping below the horizon line. You show videos that are unrelated of ships above the horizon line already. You think somehow these are the same things. So yes. I believe you are choosing to believe in unreality. Is it possible the government placed secret agents in the North pole and the South pole to lie to us and they spend billions as a part of a deception? It certain is possible, but it is highly unlikely because it is not believable or plausible that such a thing would happen.

I have already told you before, there are things about the FE that I have problems with. As there are about the globe earth model.

I will not discuss the direction of the rotation of the stars, with you, any more. It is exhausting.

I would like you to provide your argument as to why you believe that the we orbit the sun. People have given a model that shows what they believe to be how the sun behaves on a FE model. We cannot prove that it is right or wrong... what is your proof that we orbit the sun and not the other way around?

Again, when disputing someones view... it is acceptable for you to present evidence for your contrary view.. and it cannot be "well, we know it is".

Of course you cannot see the harmful effects of FE because you are in support of it to a good degree. Nobody can see the harmful effects of something if they are doing backflips for that thing they are supporting.

Can you give me some examples of the damage that could possibly be done by someone believing in the FE?

Whether you realize it or not, your wording before at one point made it sound like FE is the gospel or that simply believing the Bible is the requirement. Meaning, if I say to a person, "Do you believe this Bible?" If they shake their head "yes." I cannot say that they are then saved. They have to accept Jesus and ask for His forgiveness and believe that He died and rose on their behalf to be saved (Which then leads to a life of holiness).

I agree, the belief in Christ's death, burial and resurrection and acceptance of Him being your savior, asking for forgiveness... is the only thing that brings salvation.

 

[JacksBratt]

We are able to make accurate astrological predictions based off the heliocentric model. Remember that solar eclipse last year? Yeah, astronomers predicted that using modern astronomy and not FE non-sense. Also, the fact that the Earth rotates around the sun makes sense if you were to even look at it spiritually, too. The sun is a metaphorical representation of Jesus and the Earth (the creation) revolves around the Son. Our whole life should revolve around Jesus Christ.

Like I said before, thousands of years ago the eclipses were predicted long before a globe earth model was believed to be true. They were predicted within minutes of accuracy. This argument is of no support for either view.

Yes, and these would be the people who are thinking rationally because they are not so gullible to believe un-Science or conspiracy theories that are in no way remotely plausible.

You keep using the term "un Science" and stating that they are not remotely plausible.. yet, there are observations, being made by well equipped laymen, that are showing that real science doesn't line up with the globe model that curves 8 inches for every mile squared. There are other things that are also contradicting the so called "real" science, as well.

I disagree and so would the astronauts who have been to space and seen the curvature of the Earth. Oh, but right. They are in some kind of government conspiracy to cover up Science. Really!? Come on now.

I may have issues with the earth being flat... but I have 100 percent confidence that we did not go to the moon... I also believe that there is not a chance that we can go above low earth orbit and never have... We also do not have a picture of the globe earth from space that is not a painting, a fabrication or CGI.

Right. So the next time you are looking at a map with a compass or you are looking at the sun and a compass, you can totally disconnect the fact that you are going upwards on our planet (even though that is how it appears on a map and by perception in relation to the sun). Good luck with that, my friend.

A map is a piece of paper that is a drawing or image of the land. North is always at the top of the page. If the map is on a wall, north is up. If the map is on a table North is the top of the page. This is just the standard accepted presentation of any map, that north is at the top of the page.

Is this due to the fact that most maps are created after the globe model was adopted? Probably. However, it is still not proof of anything.

You cannot say "The earth is a globe because north is at the top of the map"

I would argue that North is at the top of the map due to the belief of the earth being a globe. Not the other way around.

Well, I have not measured it to confirm it myself. If it matches up with GPS navigation systems and satellite imagery, then there is a good chance it is true. All I know is that the Earth does curve. What the measurements are is not that important to me. But you are making wrong assumptions about what you believe would happen if the Earth did curve in such a way. You think it would do that, but you did not have top Scientific evidence and other Scientists who actually know the Math better than you to do such tests.

The math is simple and it is verified all over the internet on numerous sites and must be correct in order for the earth to have the circumference indicated.

Both FE and Globe earth sites conclude the same math.

Due to this fact, the earth curves way way faster than I every could have believed or expected.. and.... it should be visible. It is, however, not visible and people are searching for the curve and not finding it.

You are right. They are not gullible. They ultimately know it is not true and yet they distort basic real Science to suit their personal belief they know deep down is not true. They actually do not want reality. This little piece of fiction gives them comfort away from the cold harsh reality of life that they do not want to face.

Why would people stand up and state that they believe in such a controversial subject and take all the ridicule if they knew it was not true?

Exactly what comfort would there be in a belief in the FE?
Exactly what fear would there be in a so called "harsh reality" of a globe?

What problem is there with facing a globe earth model?

This concept that you are presenting is very confusing to me.

They distort images and videos from NASA and other people to fit their belief.
They are dishonest in my opinion.

LOL, There is not need to "distort" the videos of NASA. NASA has made it too easy to show their lies... It is laughable.

It is true. When one denies basic observational Science that anyone can test for themselves with a rational mind is going into the realm of crazy. For crazy is when people ignore reality.

If observable, testable and repeatable observations show a problem with the globe model.... Then, it is crazy to accept them as false. You are right. It is crazy to ignore reality.

 

[JacksBratt]

Your still not getting what I said. I did not see any ship in that video where it was half covered by the horizon line whereby if a person zooms in on it, the ship then magically re-appears in full view.

Please take note that I muted the sound. I am not going to listen to drivel. This is a visual thing we are talking about here. You need to show me what I am requesting. If not, then this simply proves that what I am saying is true.



Right, because you been to another planet that has an obvious curvature (with you measuring it) to know the difference. Try making a 3D model in a computer program with people and buildings to scale and see if it works. Also, try a laser test across water. Do not trust your own eyes by doing a visual inspection. The Earth is too large for you notice up close. The curve is not noticeable until you get out of Earth’s orbit. The heart is deceitful. What you may think should be is not how things actually are.


Even if an FE person is shown the truth, I am sure they will find ways to deny it.



Sorry. I don’t get the impression you are for the Earth being a sphere. You done nothing but primarily argue against it.

I apologize that I cannot get a video of a half ship zoomed in to show the entire ship. Fact is, with a camera, as you would know, the images are far too small to see in the video. You would know this if you have ever taken a picture of a full moon, only to find how tiny it is in the image.

What I have shown you, numerous time, and of far more importance and significance, is that these vessels are far beyond the distance of which they should be visible if the earth curves 8 inches per mile squared.

Most small vessels should be obscured by the curve after a mere 3 miles. This would be six feet of curve. Which is not observed.

I understand why you would mute the sound... last thing you would want to hear is actual intelligent facts presented that give rise to legitimate questions concerning the globe earth model.

Keep plugging your ears. Wouldn't want to hear anything that would raise a question that you cannot answer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What I am saying is this....

People, once non believers, study the FE view, accept the FE view... and as a result of their acceptance of the FE view... they conclude that their must be a designer, must be a creator, they must need a savior... and as a direct result of this.. they accept the gospel, all the Christian aspects of the gospel and become born again Christians.

Are you to say that they are not saved? Are you to conclude that due to their view of the physical state of the earth being different than yours, that they cannot be saved?

I think that is a dangerous view to hold.

It is a fact that the FE view, whether right or wrong, is changing the view of these people toward an acceptance of the fact that they need a savior... Who are we to condemn that?

Jesus says, by your fruits, you will know them. If FE is a lie (and I believe it is), then can somebody led to the truth about Jesus based on a lie?

Flat-earth believers often quote from a website called the "Flat Earth Bible", which is a reprint from a bulletin written by an atheist named Robert Schadewald. Schadewald spent 20 years trying to keep creation teaching out of public schools and mocking bible, but flat-earth advocates, who claim to follow God, have adopted this "Flat Earth Bible" as if it's the Gospel.

The Flat-Earth advocates have adopted the teachings of William Carpenter, a spiritualist, mystic, and hypnotist, who authored: “One Hundred Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe,” “The Bedford Experiment,” and also published or authored many more books to promote the flat-earth doctrine. Why would a believer follow the teachings of a spiritualist (a person who conjures up the dead)?

Samuel Birley Rowbotham, author of Zetetic Astronomy, which is a popular reference book among the Flat-Earth group, was also the organizer of a Secular Socialist commune. After his socialist commune failed he traveled the country charging money to give lectures on the flat-earth.

Finally, we have Lady Elizabeth Anne Mould Blount, who was the founder of Universal Zetetic Society in 1893, which was formed to promote the flat-earth. However, she is also known for her books on sex. Another questionable leader of the flat-earth doctrine that "flat-earth bible believers" eagerly follow. Even modern day teachers within the revived Flat-Earth group will include those who promote unbiblical book of Enoch and teachers who also believe in yoga and pagan Asian religions.

Their ideas may appear appealing and their lies may sound like truth, but in the end they will lead you down a path that will cause you to doubt everything. They will turn you into a zealot of the flat-earth, preoccupied with preaching the flat-earth gospel to the world.


Source:
Flat Earth is not biblical.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Actually, I'm not going to continue to debate this with you... There are people, good solid Christian people with solid understanding in the theology of the scriptures that can show, in proper context, that the bible solidly describes a stationary, unmovable, earth.
Can you show me scripture that describes the earth as a spinning ball, orbiting the sun and moving through space?

It is one thing to contradict a view... It is another to show scripture that supports your own.

Here are the scriptures the Flat-Earth movement uses:

“Yahweh reigns! He is clothed with majesty! Yahweh is armed with strength. The world also is established. It can't be moved.” Psalm 93:1 WEB

“Say among the nations, "Yahweh reigns." The world is also established. It can't be moved. He will judge the peoples with equity” Psalm 96:10 WEB

“He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever.” Psalm 104:5 WEB

“Tremble before him, all the earth. The world also is established that it can't be moved” 1 Chronicles 16:30 WEB

With these scriptures, the Flat-Earth movement reasons that since the bible says the earth cannot be moved, it must therefore be flat. They figure the earth could not be a rotating globe if the bible says the earth cannot be moved. In their head this sounds like a logical conclusion when they read the scriptures, but how do we reconcile that same logic when we read the scriptures? Well, look what else the bible says cannot not be moved.

“He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.” Psalm 15:5 KJV

“I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.” Psalm 16:8 KJV

“Cast your burden on Yahweh, and he will sustain you. He will never allow the righteous to be moved.” Psalm 55:22 WEB

“A man shall not be established by wickedness, but the root of the righteous shall not be moved.” Proverbs 12:3 WEB

So, if we use the same logic that the flat-earth group uses about the earth “shall not be moved” and apply a literal interpretation that people cannot be moved, as described in the verses listed above, then we must come to the conclusion that the righteous will never walk, the will never turn, and they can never move at all?

The scriptures referencing the earth “shall not be moved” and the scriptures referencing people “shall not be moved” all used the same word for “moved,” which is the Hebrew word: מוֹט – Mot, which is pronounced: Mote. Therefore, we are using the exact same words for the earth and for people. Yet, it’s not logical to conclude that people can never move in their daily life and we also cannot conclude that the earth cannot move, rotate, or orbit as well.

So what are the scriptures really saying when it tells us the earth and people “shall not be moved”?

As we said previously, the Hebrew word for “moved,” is מוֹט – Mot. This word means: to be brought down, moved, fall off course, or to slip. This word has nothing to do with the earth’s ability to spin on its axis, or to naturally rotate in an orbit that the creator ordained. In the same way “Mot” does not restrict people who “shall not be moved” from moving around, walking, or turning left or right on a journey.

What the scriptures are emphasizing by using this word (Mot) is that the earth will not natural fall off its ordained course, or naturally slips out of orbit. It means the righteous are not meant to be shaken, slip, or falter off the path of righteousness.

However, we do know that despite the fact the scriptures say the righteous “will not be moved” off their course of holiness, it does happen when the righteous yield to temptations, and sin. This is not supposed to happen. The righteous are not supposed to be moved off track, which is the perfect will of God, but it can happen. Adam, was not supposed to “be moved” off course, but he yielded to temptation and as we know, Adam was moved off course. In the same way, the earth is not designed to move out off orbit and drift off into space, it’s not supposed to stop its rotation, but sin and judgement will eventually cause the earth to be shake and the crust to move when the wrath of God falls on this planet.

Although the Flat-Earth Group won’t admit it, or can’t see it, the scriptures do say the world will be moved and destroyed one day in God’s judgement.

“Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place in the wrath of Yahweh of Armies, and in the day of his fierce anger.” Isaiah 13:13 WEB

“But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3:7 WEB

“Men shall go into the caves of the rocks, and into the holes of the earth, from before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his majesty,when he arises to shake the earth mightily.” Isaiah 2:19 WEB

“For this is what Yahweh of Armies says: 'Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, the earth, the sea, and the dry land” Haggai 2:6 WEB

“For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.” Matthew 5:18 WEB

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” Mark 13:31 WEB

“…Every mountain and island were moved out of their places.” Revelations 6:14 WEB

“Every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.” Revelation 16:20 WEB

“I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.” Revelation 21:1 WEB

“The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.” Isaiah 24:19-20 KJV

The Flat-Earth Group states that the earth has solid foundations and that means it cannot be moved, but if they truly read the scriptures in context then they would see that the earth will be moved in the day of God’s wrath. Therefore, their flat-earth model, that they claim is fixed and unable to be moved, will definitely be moved and destroyed.

If the Flat-Earth Group interpreted scriptures properly, then they would easily see the true meaning of the phrase “shall not be moved” and that it does not mean the earth cannot rotate, or move in an orbit.

The bible says the righteous “shall not be moved,” but no one in their right mind would ever claim the scriptures are stating the righteous cannot move about, walk, or turn. Why then does the Flat-Earth Movement make this ridiculous claim about the earth?


Source:
Flat Earth is not Biblical.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry that I did not mention the death and resurrection. Let me clarify... these people, due to their acceptance of the FE model, have come to accept the necesstiy of a creator, designer and therefore a savior.

In short, these people are now born again Christians, saved by Christs blood.. They just happened to come to their belief in Christ by way of their acceptance of the FE model.

Does this negate their belief in Christ as their savior?

As I said, if the Flat Earth is a lie, then if they accepted Jesus based on a lie, is their faith genuine? Only God would know. But I do know there are false ways people can accept Jesus (As I mentioned before). In my experience in my walk with God, I have learned it is better to play it safe, rather than be sorry. Christians are warned in not being lukewarm or they will be spewed out of the Lord's mouth. If a believer is pre-occupied with the teachings of Flat Earth instead of focusing primarily on the gospel, and in loving others, then they do not have their priorities straight. I believe this is the danger of FE. It goes against the priority of preaching the gospel and in loving others.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I will not discuss the direction of the rotation of the stars, with you, any more. It is exhausting.

It does not have to be. You can research it more and ask people from the South pole and North pole if they can observe this. You can also do that spinning while standing test I told you about, too. I know. Doing these things takes effort. But do you not owe to yourself to find the truth on such matters?

I would like you to provide your argument as to why you believe that the we orbit the sun. People have given a model that shows what they believe to be how the sun behaves on a FE model. We cannot prove that it is right or wrong... what is your proof that we orbit the sun and not the other way around?

Accurate astrological predictions of solar eclipses and other astrological phenomenon. It also matches up with how we are to revolve our lives around Jesus and it is not the other way around. Jesus is not like a genie who grants us wishes. We are to serve Him and seek His will for our lives.

Can you give me some examples of the damage that could possibly be done by someone believing in the FE?

Just observe a Flat Earth Christian. It's all they want to talk about is Flat Earth.

I agree, the belief in Christ's death, burial and resurrection and acceptance of Him being your savior, asking for forgiveness... is the only thing that brings salvation.

I understand you believe that, but your words before did not make that fact clear to me at certain points and it sounded like FE was a part of the gospel.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Like I said before, thousands of years ago the eclipses were predicted long before a globe earth model was believed to be true. They were predicted within minutes of accuracy. This argument is of no support for either view.

Yes; Solar eclipses have been predicted in the past, but not to the accuracy that we have today with a computer based upon the heliocentric model. However, you need to take note that there are other predictions that were exclusively made by the Heliocentric model alone.

Read this article here:

Heliocentric Theory - The Triumph Of The Heliocentric Theory

You keep using the term "un Science" and stating that they are not remotely plausible.. yet, there are observations, being made by well equipped laymen, that are showing that real science doesn't line up with the globe model that curves 8 inches for every mile squared. There are other things that are also contradicting the so called "real" science, as well.

I believe they are scam artists. Why? Because they are not real Scientists who have been peer reviewed. Did you test their statements? Did you actually use a laser over water to test to see if the Earth was flat or that it curved?

I may have issues with the earth being flat... but I have 100 percent confidence that we did not go to the moon... I also believe that there is not a chance that we can go above low earth orbit and never have... We also do not have a picture of the globe earth from space that is not a painting, a fabrication or CGI.

I understand you have issues with these things. But there is no plausible evidence as to why NASA, satellite companies, folks living in the South pole would all be in on some kind of cover up. However, it is not normal to simply distrust people en masse without a good reason or cause.

A map is a piece of paper that is a drawing or image of the land. North is always at the top of the page. If the map is on a wall, north is up. If the map is on a table North is the top of the page. This is just the standard accepted presentation of any map, that north is at the top of the page.

Why? Maybe it is because that is where magnetic North is. It is at the top of our spherical Earth.

Is this due to the fact that most maps are created after the globe model was adopted? Probably. However, it is still not proof of anything.

It is not proof alone. However, it is one but one link in a chain of evidences that proves the Earth is a sphere.... yes.

You cannot say "The earth is a globe because north is at the top of the map"

I would argue that North is at the top of the map due to the belief of the earth being a globe. Not the other way around.

You are contradicting yourself here.

The math is simple and it is verified all over the internet on numerous sites and must be correct in order for the earth to have the circumference indicated.

Both FE and Globe earth sites conclude the same math.

Okay. Just stop. Don't talk about this anymore and test it for yourself. It does no good to just hit the disagree button. Prove to yourself that the FE proponent's findings are true or not. I don't need to do that personally because I know they are lying. But apparently you believe what they say as if it was truth. I say.... test what they are saying. They are not real Scientists. They are among those who are into spiritism, and atheism, and socialism.

Why would people stand up and state that they believe in such a controversial subject and take all the ridicule if they knew it was not true?

Attention. They want to be noticed. They want to feel like their life matters. But FE is not going to give them that comfort. Only standing up for Jesus and His righteousness is what will give a person true peace and comfort.

I remember a guy in middle school who used to put paper signs on his own back that said, "Kick me." Why would he do this? To get attention of course.

Exactly what comfort would there be in a belief in the FE?

Escape from reality. Have you never watched a Science fiction film or TV show to escape and get your mind off the harsh reality of the world? I know I have. I used to be a big Science fiction fan. But 1 John 2:15-17 always bothered me when I read it. In time, I gave up watching secular movies because of my love for Jesus. We are told not to love the world, and neither things in the world.

Exactly what fear would there be in a so called "harsh reality" of a globe?

It would mean that we have to admit defeat that un-Christian men can be right about certain things (like Science, technology, architecture, etc.). That does not mean their heart is right with God, though. They can only testify to the things that they see physically. But the Word of God is a closed book to them unless they repent and accept Jesus as their Savior.

What problem is there with facing a globe earth model?

This concept that you are presenting is very confusing to me.

Accepting the globe Earth model is about trust to a certain degree. They would have to admit that NASA was not lying about everything and people in other parts of the world are not lying about the stars or the sun. But people like a good conspiracy theory (even if it does harm to others). Imagine if your next door neighbor started to make up a conspiracy theory about you and your family. They could say nasty things about you and your family that were not true. They could base this off of things they thought you were doing so as to fill in the blanks. They could draw the wrong conclusions... all because of a conspiracy theory.

There is not need to "distort" the videos of NASA. NASA has made it too easy to show their lies... It is laughable.

You cannot watch FE videos to get this distortion on NASA. That is where you are going wrong here. You are buying into the FE Kool aid whereby they are only going to show you an skewed point of view.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I apologize that I cannot get a video of a half ship zoomed in to show the entire ship. Fact is, with a camera, as you would know, the images are far too small to see in the video. You would know this if you have ever taken a picture of a full moon, only to find how tiny it is in the image.

What I have shown you, numerous time, and of far more importance and significance, is that these vessels are far beyond the distance of which they should be visible if the earth curves 8 inches per mile squared.

Most small vessels should be obscured by the curve after a mere 3 miles. This would be six feet of curve. Which is not observed.

I understand why you would mute the sound... last thing you would want to hear is actual intelligent facts presented that give rise to legitimate questions concerning the globe earth model.

Keep plugging your ears. Wouldn't want to hear anything that would raise a question that you cannot answer.

The reason you cannot find a video that shows a ship that is half covered by the horizon or the ocean with it then coming into full view by magically zooming in on it is because there is no such video that exists on our planet. It is the same reason we do not see videos on german shepherds learning rocket Science to help us build space shuttles and stuff like that. The fact that there is no evidence of such a thing should trouble you. The FE view is not really founded upon any kind of real evidence or Science. Every thing the FE proponent says in regards to their FE model is simply not true. All you have to do is do a real Scientific experiment. No. This would not be just looking outside and seeing that the Earth looks flat. Many people who believe in the reality of our spherical Earth believe that you cannot see the curvature of the Earth clearly until you get out of orbit (This would include the astronauts who have actually seen it for themselves).

 

[MoneyGuy]

I wonder how these FE folks are treated and regarded among family, friends and others. I'd imagine with a lot of derision and that they'd be the subject of jokes for their crazy views. Here no one knows who they are. I wonder if they're that brave when they're not anonymous.

 

[JacksBratt]

Anytime, Netgear..... Show me scripture that describes a spinning ball, orbiting the sun and moving through space...

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus says, by your fruits, you will know them. If FE is a lie (and I believe it is), then can somebody led to the truth about Jesus based on a lie?

Well, if they did not believe in God before and now profess Christ as their savior.... then... I guess that they can.

Flat-earth believers often quote from a website called the "Flat Earth Bible", which is a reprint from a bulletin written by an atheist named Robert Schadewald. Schadewald spent 20 years trying to keep creation teaching out of public schools and mocking bible, but flat-earth advocates, who claim to follow God, have adopted this "Flat Earth Bible" as if it's the Gospel.

I've never heard of this site. Nor have I heard Rob Skiba or Jearanism or anyone else mention it.

The Flat-Earth advocates have adopted the teachings of William Carpenter, a spiritualist, mystic, and hypnotist, who authored: “One Hundred Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe,” “The Bedford Experiment,” and also published or authored many more books to promote the flat-earth doctrine. Why would a believer follow the teachings of a spiritualist (a person who conjures up the dead)?

Never heard of William Carpenter either.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham, author of Zetetic Astronomy, which is a popular reference book among the Flat-Earth group, was also the organizer of a Secular Socialist commune. After his socialist commune failed he traveled the country charging money to give lectures on the flat-earth.

And most, if not all of the astronauts were 33 degree free masons...

Finally, we have Lady Elizabeth Anne Mould Blount, who was the founder of Universal Zetetic Society in 1893, which was formed to promote the flat-earth. However, she is also known for her books on sex. Another questionable leader of the flat-earth doctrine that "flat-earth bible believers" eagerly follow. Even modern day teachers within the revived Flat-Earth group will include those who promote unbiblical book of Enoch and teachers who also believe in yoga and pagan Asian religions.

Their ideas may appear appealing and their lies may sound like truth, but in the end they will lead you down a path that will cause you to doubt everything. They will turn you into a zealot of the flat-earth, preoccupied with preaching the flat-earth gospel to the world.


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Flat Earth is not biblical.

You can continue to attack the people, but, as I have said before, you need to check out the facts that are presented.

The people that give most, if not all of the "so called proof of the globe" is NASA and they are out and out liars.

 

[JacksBratt]

Here are the scriptures the Flat-Earth movement uses:

“Yahweh reigns! He is clothed with majesty! Yahweh is armed with strength. The world also is established. It can't be moved.” Psalm 93:1 WEB

“Say among the nations, "Yahweh reigns." The world is also established. It can't be moved. He will judge the peoples with equity” Psalm 96:10 WEB

“He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever.” Psalm 104:5 WEB

“Tremble before him, all the earth. The world also is established that it can't be moved” 1 Chronicles 16:30 WEB

With these scriptures, the Flat-Earth movement reasons that since the bible says the earth cannot be moved, it must therefore be flat. They figure the earth could not be a rotating globe if the bible says the earth cannot be moved. In their head this sounds like a logical conclusion when they read the scriptures, but how do we reconcile that same logic when we read the scriptures? Well, look what else the bible says cannot not be moved.

“He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.” Psalm 15:5 KJV

“I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.” Psalm 16:8 KJV

“Cast your burden on Yahweh, and he will sustain you. He will never allow the righteous to be moved.” Psalm 55:22 WEB

“A man shall not be established by wickedness, but the root of the righteous shall not be moved.” Proverbs 12:3 WEB

So, if we use the same logic that the flat-earth group uses about the earth “shall not be moved” and apply a literal interpretation that people cannot be moved, as described in the verses listed above, then we must come to the conclusion that the righteous will never walk, the will never turn, and they can never move at all?

The scriptures referencing the earth “shall not be moved” and the scriptures referencing people “shall not be moved” all used the same word for “moved,” which is the Hebrew word: מוֹט – Mot, which is pronounced: Mote. Therefore, we are using the exact same words for the earth and for people. Yet, it’s not logical to conclude that people can never move in their daily life and we also cannot conclude that the earth cannot move, rotate, or orbit as well.

So what are the scriptures really saying when it tells us the earth and people “shall not be moved”?

As we said previously, the Hebrew word for “moved,” is מוֹט – Mot. This word means: to be brought down, moved, fall off course, or to slip. This word has nothing to do with the earth’s ability to spin on its axis, or to naturally rotate in an orbit that the creator ordained. In the same way “Mot” does not restrict people who “shall not be moved” from moving around, walking, or turning left or right on a journey.

What the scriptures are emphasizing by using this word (Mot) is that the earth will not natural fall off its ordained course, or naturally slips out of orbit. It means the righteous are not meant to be shaken, slip, or falter off the path of righteousness.

However, we do know that despite the fact the scriptures say the righteous “will not be moved” off their course of holiness, it does happen when the righteous yield to temptations, and sin. This is not supposed to happen. The righteous are not supposed to be moved off track, which is the perfect will of God, but it can happen. Adam, was not supposed to “be moved” off course, but he yielded to temptation and as we know, Adam was moved off course. In the same way, the earth is not designed to move out off orbit and drift off into space, it’s not supposed to stop its rotation, but sin and judgement will eventually cause the earth to be shake and the crust to move when the wrath of God falls on this planet.

Although the Flat-Earth Group won’t admit it, or can’t see it, the scriptures do say the world will be moved and destroyed one day in God’s judgement.

“Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place in the wrath of Yahweh of Armies, and in the day of his fierce anger.” Isaiah 13:13 WEB

“But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3:7 WEB

“Men shall go into the caves of the rocks, and into the holes of the earth, from before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his majesty,when he arises to shake the earth mightily.” Isaiah 2:19 WEB

“For this is what Yahweh of Armies says: 'Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, the earth, the sea, and the dry land” Haggai 2:6 WEB

“For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.” Matthew 5:18 WEB

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” Mark 13:31 WEB

“…Every mountain and island were moved out of their places.” Revelations 6:14 WEB

“Every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.” Revelation 16:20 WEB

“I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.” Revelation 21:1 WEB

“The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.” Isaiah 24:19-20 KJV

The Flat-Earth Group states that the earth has solid foundations and that means it cannot be moved, but if they truly read the scriptures in context then they would see that the earth will be moved in the day of God’s wrath. Therefore, their flat-earth model, that they claim is fixed and unable to be moved, will definitely be moved and destroyed.

If the Flat-Earth Group interpreted scriptures properly, then they would easily see the true meaning of the phrase “shall not be moved” and that it does not mean the earth cannot rotate, or move in an orbit.

The bible says the righteous “shall not be moved,” but no one in their right mind would ever claim the scriptures are stating the righteous cannot move about, walk, or turn. Why then does the Flat-Earth Movement make this ridiculous claim about the earth?


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Flat Earth is not Biblical.

Any scripture that describes a spinning globe, orbiting the sun and moving through space, would be your best defense against the plethora of scripture that describes the earth as a snow globe with a dome over top..

Please post these globe based scriptures for me.

If you would like me to post those that counter this view, again... I can... they are undeniable unless you totally blind yourself to the truth of the scriptures.

 

[JacksBratt]

As I said, if the Flat Earth is a lie, then if they accepted Jesus based on a lie, is their faith genuine?

I thought that we had already established that it is the belief in the Christ and His work on the cross that brings salvation?

What if the belief in a globe earth, evolution, the big bang and such that causes one to accept that we don't need a creator and thus denounce and refuse the gospel.... are they any less saved?

Only God would know. But I do know there are false ways people can accept Jesus (As I mentioned before). In my experience in my walk with God, I have learned it is better to play it safe, rather than be sorry. Christians are warned in not being lukewarm or they will be spewed out of the Lord's mouth. If a believer is pre-occupied with the teachings of Flat Earth instead of focusing primarily on the gospel, and in loving others, then they do not have their priorities straight. I believe this is the danger of FE. It goes against the priority of preaching the gospel and in loving others.

Again... Anyone who believes in Christ, His death, burial and resurrection... accepts Him as their savior and follows Him.... is saved.

Anyone who denies His work... Him... their need for a savior.... is lost...

It's pretty basic.

 

[JacksBratt]

Accurate astrological predictions of solar eclipses and other astrological phenomenon. It also matches up with how we are to revolve our lives around Jesus and it is not the other way around. Jesus is not like a genie who grants us wishes. We are to serve Him and seek His will for our lives.

All work on the FE model.

Just observe a Flat Earth Christian. It's all they want to talk about is Flat Earth.

Really? How many do you know?

I understand you believe that, but your words before did not make that fact clear to me at certain points and it sounded like FE was a part of the gospel.

FE is not part of the gospel...however, many are coming to the gospel by way of the FE.....and, many are unbelievers due to the globe model that denies a need for a creator or designer.

 

[JacksBratt]

The reason you cannot find a video that shows a ship that is half covered by the horizon or the ocean with it then coming into full view by magically zooming in on it is because there is no such video that exists on our planet. It is the same reason we do not see videos on german shepherds learning rocket Science to help us build space shuttles and stuff like that. The fact that there is no evidence of such a thing should trouble you. The FE view is not really founded upon any kind of real evidence or Science. Every thing the FE proponent says in regards to their FE model is simply not true. All you have to do is do a real Scientific experiment. No. This would not be just looking outside and seeing that the Earth looks flat. Many people who believe in the reality of our spherical Earth believe that you cannot see the curvature of the Earth clearly until you get out of orbit (This would include the astronauts who have actually seen it for themselves).

As I explained, before, ships and other vessels and objects are seen clearly visible far beyond the point where they should be visible at all.

The earth should curve at a rate that is easily visible and testable... yet, even on the small lake that I grew up on... it is not detectable to the degree that it should be...