Is Speaking In Tongues Biblical Today?

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Is God the creator of evil as well as good, or is He only capable of doing good things?
Of course God creates adversity as well as good, you only have to look at his judgements on Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho or even Israel and Judah to see that. But those are judgements for sin and rebellion.
But that's quite different to the general theme that God is the source of all sickness, when many other scriptures prove that the source is Satan.
 
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For me my friend, GOD healing YOU or anyone else is not the question neither is it the focus of this thread.

It was about a MAN claiming to be able to heal the sick i.e. Mr. Benny Hinn.

GOD heals!!!! GOD has always healed!!!

IMO......having attended many faith healing services is that the faith healers are frauds
and charlatans doing nothing but fleecing the flock.

Look it up! There has not been one single medically verified healing done by Mr. Hinn.
I think that men claiming to be able to heal the sick is a misunderstanding of what Jesus meant when He said to the 70 who went out around the villages, "Heal the sick." I don't believe that He gave them any special ability to heal the sick. I believe that when they used His Name as His representatives as the authority to command a sick person to recover then it was not the disciples' power that brought about the healing; it was the power of the Holy Spirit through the authority of His Name. This is how the disciples in Acts 2 (?) understood it when they prayed, "Let signs and wonders be done in the Name of your holy child Jesus Christ." It was, and still is, the power of the Name of Jesus that brought about the healing. So, in effect, it is Jesus who does the healing, and not the guy who uses the Name.

It is basically the same as the Governor General of New Zealand who is representing the Queen of England. He can use the name of the Queen to perform certain functions that the Queen would have done if she were here in our country. The Governor General is not acting under his own authority, but the delegated authority given to him through his appointment as Governor General. So, if a person receives a knighthood and it is conferred in New Zealand, the Governor General can confer it as the Queen's representative, and it will be recognised by the British Crown. But our Prime Minster cannot confer a knighthood, because he has no authority from the Queen to do it. This is what representation and delegated authority is all about.

As a Court Victim Advisor, I could advise and counsel victims of crime because I had the delegated authority from the Ministry of Justice to do it. But now that I have retired from that position, I cannot go and advise victims of crime with Ministry authority, because I no longer have that right. I can advise victims, but the Court judge does not have to accept my report because I am not doing it under Ministry delegation, but under my own name.

This is where these evangelists promote the misunderstanding and give the impression that they can heal people under their own name, when God may not have elevated them into that role. It is only when Jesus calls and appoints a person to the role of healing evangelist and gives them the authority to use His Name, that when they use that Name in obedience, healing can take place. And not everyone, however prominent they may be, has been given that authority, and it is quite possible that many of these men who claim to heal people, may be taking the Lord's Name in vain, by trying to use it without His authority to do so.

I know that some will disagree, on the basis that they believe that Jesus has given everyone that authority to use His Name. If that were so, then we would see many more miraculous healings through every Tom, Dick, and Harry using His Name. But we don't see that happening, so I am tending to believe that Jesus has to do something definite to confer His Name and authority on a person He has chosen to perform healing, signs and wonders in His Name. I am not sure what that is. I don't think that I have it, because people don't get healed when I minister to them. Perhaps I have not been called by the Lord to have that role and ministry, although anyone can pray for a sick person to be healed, albeit with varying results.
 
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1 Corinthians 18:8........
"Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away."
Let me ask, has knowledge vanished away yet? Nope, its still there.
While knowledge continues to flow, then so do the other parts of this verse. You can't just cancel the bits you don't like.
First, the idea that there’s another baptism beyond our public confession of faith cannot be supported by scripture. The Holy Spirit was fully invested in each one of us at the first moment we believed and that is found in Eph. 1:13-14.
The Holy Spirit baptism at Pentecost came long after they believed. They were also again filled with the Holy Spirit on other occasions.
Secondly, according to the Scriptures neither can the notion be supported that speaking in tongues is a necessary evidence of having received this second baptism.
It is however repeatedly given as one of the signs of infilling with the Holy Spirit.
Then third, there is no clear teaching in the Bible on prayer language and in fact the phrase itself entered into our vocabulary long after the Bible was written.
If you insist on using the words "prayer language", then I would agree its not in scripture. But the same is true for the word "Trinity", does that make the trinity less true?
There is however perfectly sufficient clear teaching in the scripture about speaking in tongues, but none of it is likely to make sense for those who consistently deny tongues. As I said previously, "a man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument."
However I would add to that word, another common saying, "Evidence of absence, is not absence of evidence."
So just cos a man has never experienced tongues, that's no argument against tongues.

I was filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues back in the mid 70s, over ten years after first knowing the Lord.
So, please do as you wish but please do not condemn those of us who do what the Scriptures actually do say!
The problem comes when you claim the scriptures say things our biblical and real life experience proves is different.
Our biblical experience vs your argument.
 
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You are welcome. Now, please extend the same compliment to those who differ with you, but without calling them STUPID.

I'm talking about the fear of the Lord. Those without that, are STUPID.
 
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The problem comes when you claim the scriptures say things our biblical and real life experience proves is different.
Our biblical experience vs your argument.

Does your experience match the biblical description of the gift? If it doesn't then it is not NT tongues. Even Pentecostalism's most respected theologian Gordon Fee is not convinced that what is practiced today in Pentecostal circles is NT tongues. The most he is prepared to say is it is something analogous to NT tongues.
 
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I'm talking about the fear of the Lord. Those without that, are STUPID.

You must have an interesting Bible. My Bible states multiple times that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, not that everyone who has the fear of the Lord has achieved wisdom, nor that those who don't are stupid.

You might wish to use Psalms 14 and 53 as a biblical argument against unbelief. Paul also repeats much of them in Romans 3.
 
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Of course God creates adversity as well as good, you only have to look at his judgements on Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho or even Israel and Judah to see that. But those are judgements for sin and rebellion.
But that's quite different to the general theme that God is the source of all sickness, when many other scriptures prove that the source is Satan.

I will ask a direct question. Is Satan or God in control of the universe?
 
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You must have an interesting Bible. My Bible states multiple times that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, not that everyone who has the fear of the Lord has achieved wisdom, nor that those who don't are stupid.

You might wish to use Psalms 14 and 53 as a biblical argument against unbelief. Paul also repeats much of them in Romans 3.

Whatever term you want to use, use it. I just see a whole lot of unbelief over things that are supernatural that bring people closer to Jesus, and not after mediums or psychics which are demonic, and yet people claim that those things of God are demonic if they don't see it written in the Bible. And some even if they ARE written in the Bible. The unbelief of these is staggering, and I think RECKLESS. So if you want to substitute reckless for stupid, fine. But you'll never find me speaking a word against any of it. Some go so far as scrutinizing if someone gets slain in the Spirit by the power of God, which way they fall! There are a lot of things in the past few decades like gold dust and gems and visions of heaven, and even being transported like Philip was transported. I've never witnessed these things, but have godly friends who have. But, even before I met anyone who had, I stayed silent and studied the fruit (which was huge)
 
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Whatever term you want to use, use it. I just see a whole lot of unbelief over things that are supernatural that bring people closer to Jesus, and not after mediums or psychics which are demonic, and yet people claim that those things of God are demonic if they don't see it written in the Bible. And some even if they ARE written in the Bible. The unbelief of these is staggering, and I think RECKLESS. So if you want to substitute reckless for stupid, fine. But you'll never find me speaking a word against any of it. Some go so far as scrutinizing if someone gets slain in the Spirit by the power of God, which way they fall! There are a lot of things in the past few decades like gold dust and gems and visions of heaven, and even being transported like Philip was transported.

You might find this site interesting - Marian Miracles
 
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Are you talking about the miracles of Mary? I don't believe in them as that is idol worship. I'm talking the Holy Spirit.

You can take that topic up with our Catholic brethren here at CF. They are as keen as yourself to defend the validity of Marian miracles as being entirely from God, the Holy Spirit.
 
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I'm talking about the fear of the Lord. Those without that, are STUPID.

I don't fear the Lord. He is my heavenly Dad, my Abba. If you fear him please tell me why (without quoting verses out of context). Hint: In the parable, the prodigal son feared his father, and he was so wrong.
 
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"Is Speaking In Tongues Biblical Today? "
Is anything today Biblical ?

Does your experience match the biblical description of the gift? If it doesn't then it is not NT tongues. Even Pentecostalism's most respected theologian Gordon Fee is not convinced that what is practiced today in Pentecostal circles is NT tongues. The most he is prepared to say is it is something analogous to NT tongues.
 
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Does your experience match the biblical description of the gift? If it doesn't then it is not NT tongues. Even Pentecostalism's most respected theologian Gordon Fee is not convinced that what is practiced today in Pentecostal circles is NT tongues. The most he is prepared to say is it is something analogous to NT tongues.
Yes my experience of tongues does match the biblical description!

Never heard of Gordon Fee.

And swordsman, do you speak in tongues?
 
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I believe the true gift of tongues can be spoken today...

Being that it can be interpreted

But how many are speaking the true gift?

When there are other Spirits in the world...like the Kandiluni yoga and they may have not accepted Christ sound the same as many in churches today....one must question is that the true gift.
 
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I will ask a direct question. Is Satan or God in control of the universe?
That's a fool question as it establishes nothing.

Does God control all your forum posts, or you?
Did God control what you ate for breakfast, or did you choose all by yourself?
Did God control which brand of toilet paper you buy?
Does God control your emotions to make angry, sad, happy, depressed?

etc.
 
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You can take that topic up with our Catholic brethren here at CF. They are as keen as yourself to defend the validity of Marian miracles as being entirely from God, the Holy Spirit.

No need to. I've read the dialog of what "Mary" says when she appears, and the telling words are to "worship HER."
 
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I don't fear the Lord. He is my heavenly Dad, my Abba. If you fear him please tell me why (without quoting verses out of context). Hint: In the parable, the prodigal son feared his father, and he was so wrong.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." It is not tremble in fear, but worship in awe.
 
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Does your experience match the biblical description of the gift? If it doesn't then it is not NT tongues. Even Pentecostalism's most respected theologian Gordon Fee is not convinced that what is practiced today in Pentecostal circles is NT tongues. The most he is prepared to say is it is something analogous to NT tongues.

Which book of Fee's are you quoting. I have a few and would like to look it up.
 
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