Sodomite weddings at the UMC

[compassion 4 humanity]

There are numerous parts in the Bible where homosexuality is condemned. For example, in Leviticus 18:22, sodomy is rightfully called an "abomination." And in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, scripture says that sodomites will not inherit the Kingdom of God. To put it another way, active homosexuals who don't repent will suffer eternal agony in the burning, fiery depths of hell.

There are some Christians who unfortunately deal with same-sex attraction, but they never act on their desires and seek the counsel of God for dealing with their immoral lust. They aren't sinning because they aren't committing sodomy despite liking those of the same gender. Most importantly, they keep their feelings to themselves.

However, a grave sin has happened within the United Methodist Church. A male UMC minister married another man! Even worse: his congregation "overwhelming supports" him and his sodomy proclivities! Read about it here: Gay Methodist minister David Meredith, church claim victory The article talks about a UMC committee charging the queer preacher with misconduct.

What has the United Methodist Church come to? Why is a man in deep homosexual sin allowed to preach in the first place? And why on earth does his congregation support him? If I went to a religious service here at my UMC church and our minister announced that he is gay and intends to marry his sodomite lover, it would be my last time ever attending that church. I would promptly find another church to join.

 

[☦Marius☦]

Your name "compassion 4 humanity" doesn't seem to match your words. Tell me would you immediately leave your church if your pastor watched inappropriate content? Or took a little money from the offering plate after its counted, or preached in a prideful spirit instead of humility? None of us are perfect. Honestly I would rather see a loving gay couple together than some of the abusive strait relationships I've seen/experienced. The OT puts such a focus on homosexuality because in those times it was alot less about relationships, and alot more about sex. Hence the rape attempt at Sodom. There are many other things the Bible allows/ prohibits- owning slaves is ok, but a wife having rights is not. This is why the New Law of Christ is much more important and what we Christians follow.

 

[Galaxy Hunter]

Y. This is why the New Law of Christ is much more important and what we Christians follow.

I don't seem to remember a new law of Christ in the Bible where He said gay marriage is ok.

 

[Strathos]

Your name "compassion 4 humanity" doesn't seem to match your words. Tell me would you immediately leave your church if your pastor watched inappropriate content? Or took a little money from the offering plate after its counted, or preached in a prideful spirit instead of humility? None of us are perfect. Honestly I would rather see a loving gay couple together than some of the abusive strait relationships I've seen/experienced. The OT puts such a focus on homosexuality because in those times it was alot less about relationships, and alot more about sex. Hence the rape attempt at Sodom. There are many other things the Bible allows/ prohibits- owning slaves is ok, but a wife having rights is not. This is why the New Law of Christ is much more important and what we Christians follow.

Well on the other hand, people should be free to join or leave any church they want to, if the church does something that makes them uncomfortable.

 

[Sketcher]

This isn't exactly new in the UMC, acceptance and endorsement of homosexual relationships has been a thing in that denomination for several years now.

 

[compassion 4 humanity]

Your name "compassion 4 humanity" doesn't seem to match your words. Tell me would you immediately leave your church if your pastor watched inappropriate content? Or took a little money from the offering plate after its counted, or preached in a prideful spirit instead of humility? None of us are perfect. Honestly I would rather see a loving gay couple together than some of the abusive strait relationships I've seen/experienced. The OT puts such a focus on homosexuality because in those times it was alot less about relationships, and alot more about sex. Hence the rape attempt at Sodom. There are many other things the Bible allows/ prohibits- owning slaves is ok, but a wife having rights is not. This is why the New Law of Christ is much more important and what we Christians follow.

There are different degrees of sin. For example, murder is far worse than stealing a few dollars. Sodomy is considered a serious, not minor, sin. It is therefore inappropriate for you to compare a grave sin like homosexual sex with an innocuous sin like stealing a little money. What you said is no different than someone saying, "How dare you judge someone for killing another human being! After all, we have all committed sins like taking some candy from the gas station without paying for it." Again, the former is an extreme sin, and the latter is a harmless sin. The comparison thus isn't legitimate

So you prefer a happy sodomite couple in over an unhappy heterosexual couple? You're basically saying that you prefer a happy sinner over an unhappy saint.

 

[compassion 4 humanity]

I don't seem to remember a new law of Christ in the Bible where He said gay marriage is ok.

We live in deeply ungodly times where cultural relativism and liberalism have infected Christians. These renegades scoff at the eternal Word of God and think of scripture as something that "evolves." Which is to say, they pick and choose which verses to follow and not follow.

 

[☦Marius☦]

I don't seem to remember a new law of Christ in the Bible where He said gay marriage is ok.

I never said he did. However Gay marriage wasn't even an issue back then. Homosexuality outside of marriage was, just like sex outside of hetero marriages was (and is).

There are different degrees of sin. For example, murder is far worse than stealing a few dollars. Sodomy is considered a serious, not minor, sin. It is therefore inappropriate for you to compare a grave sin like homosexual sex with an innocuous sin like stealing a little money. What you said is no different than someone saying, "How dare you judge someone for killing another human being! After all, we have all committed sins like taking some candy from the gas station without paying for it." Again, the former is an extreme sin, and the latter is a harmless sin. The comparison thus isn't legitimate

So you prefer a happy sodomite couple in over an unhappy heterosexual couple? You're basically saying that you prefer a happy sinner over an unhappy saint.

There are no "levels" of sin in the eyes of God, only in the eyes of man. Homosexuality is seen by men as especially bad because of the revulsion most men feel when they see it. In God's eyes all sin puts us in the same place.

If you are saying abusers are saints then I will resay that yes, I would rather see a loving homosexual couple then a strait couple where there is an abuser. After all Christ seemed to emphasize loving others more than just keeping the law, which is what I believe you are doing.

 

[☦Marius☦]

Until you can say you've walked in the shoes of someone with same sex attraction, you wouldn't be able to understand. I think it is far worse for someone to beat their wife in a marriage, then for a man who has a choice to be completely alone or love who he is naturally attracted to who happens to be the same gender.

 

[☦Marius☦]

Also you are forgetting that that verse says "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

quite a list of sin there, almost like all sin is equal in the eyes of God.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

Your name "compassion 4 humanity" doesn't seem to match your words. Tell me would you immediately leave your church if your pastor watched inappropriate content? Or took a little money from the offering plate after its counted, or preached in a prideful spirit instead of humility? None of us are perfect. Honestly I would rather see a loving gay couple together than some of the abusive strait relationships I've seen/experienced. The OT puts such a focus on homosexuality because in those times it was alot less about relationships, and alot more about sex. Hence the rape attempt at Sodom. There are many other things the Bible allows/ prohibits- owning slaves is ok, but a wife having rights is not. This is why the New Law of Christ is much more important and what we Christians follow.

What if God doesn't support any of what you said? I'm tired of "Christians" claiming suggesting "nobody is perfect" as if it condones sin and you just have to be a little better than those around you OR since we all sin, nobody should declare anything wrong. That is the most absurd logic I have ever heard.

What if we will be held accountable for all these things AND for what we choose to accept as okay? What if what Jesus said is actually Truth? What if what Paul said in Romans 1 is actually from God? What if approving of such things--and calling it compassion/love--is actually a sin in God's eyes? Would you challenge "compassion 4 humanity" if he spoke against child abuse or adultery or theft or murder of a fellow human being? The difference is that you bought the worldly marketing of homosexuality.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

Also you are forgetting that that verse says "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

quite a list of sin there, almost like all sin is equal in the eyes of God.

I agree with the Scripture you just posted. So, why the opposite post from before? All sin is bad. Willfully doing it, while claiming to have a relationship with Christ, is a problem for someone who is hoping to find themselves in heaven one day. That's why the Bible says there is "no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk, not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:1)

 

[☦Marius☦]

What if God doesn't support any of what you said? I'm tired of "Christians" claiming suggesting "nobody is perfect" as if it condones sin and you just have to be a little better than those around you OR since we all sin, nobody should declare anything wrong. That is the most absurd logic I have ever heard.

What if we will be held accountable for all these things AND for what we choose to accept as okay? What if what Jesus said is actually Truth? What if what Paul said in Romans 1 is actually from God? What if approving of such things--and calling it compassion/love--is actually a sin in God's eyes? Would you challenge "compassion 4 humanity" if he spoke against child abuse or adultery or theft or murder of a fellow human being? The difference is that you bought the worldly marketing of homosexuality.

You are comparing sins that harm others to a consensual relationship between two people? We are all sinners, and we are all called to be perfect, but it is not something we can all achieve, that is why compassion is necessary. "For the standard by which you judge, that is how you will be judged". Are you perfect? Do you have ANY unrepentant sin in your life? If so then see to the log in your own eye before the speck in your brothers.

 

[☦Marius☦]

I don't claim homosexuality to not be a sin, but I see the judgemental hateful attitude of fellow Christians to be just as bad of a sin if not worse because it is breaking the second commandment of Christ.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

Until you can say you've walked in the shoes of someone with same sex attraction, you wouldn't be able to understand. I think it is far worse for someone to beat their wife in a marriage, then for a man who has a choice to be completely alone or love who he is naturally attracted to who happens to be the same gender.

And, here is your problem. You choose to stand against what God wrote in Scripture, because of what you think. Both are bad. How is it that you can pick and choose what you want to highlight and others can't? "Compassion" never said "someone beating their wife" is okay. You offer that as somehow making another sin look better. That is absurd.

 

[☦Marius☦]

And, here is your problem. You choose to stand against what God wrote in Scripture, because of what you think. Both are bad. How is it that you can pick and choose what you want to highlight and others can't? "Compassion" never said "someone beating their wife" is okay. You offer that as somehow making another sin look better. That is absurd.

He literally said "So you prefer a happy sodomite couple in over an unhappy heterosexual couple? You're basically saying that you prefer a happy sinner over an unhappy saint."

Which I had originally said the heterosexual couple had abuse. Therefore he called the abuser a saint. Get it yes?

Compassion was the one saying there are levels to sin. I do not believe there are, which is why I find it apsurd for Christians who are imperfect to constantly scream against sins they find "special" instead of attending to their own- WHICH IS WHAT CHRIST SAYS TO DO.

 

[☦Marius☦]

The pharisees liked to stand lofty and look holy but their hearts were dead because they had no love. They followed the law but were not saved.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

You are comparing sins that harm others to a consensual relationship between two people? We are all sinners, and we are all called to be perfect, but it is not something we can all achieve, that is why compassion is necessary. "For the standard by which you judge, that is how you will be judged". Are you perfect? Do you have ANY unrepentant sin in your life? If so then see to the log in your own eye before the speck in your brothers.

No, I'm not comparing. I'm saying "its all bad". You are the one who introduced comparisons as a way of mitigating a sin. I disagree with that. See, you have an opinion that a homosexual relationship doesn't harm anyone. And, that is where you are wrong. If God created man to be with man and woman to be with woman, He could have said so. He didn't. So, is it possible for people to be healthy who are doing the opposite of what God called them to do? And, once you start condoning same-sex marriage, you open a whole bunch of issues that make it much harder for someone to get free, once they come into agreement with God.

 

[Oldmantook]

There are numerous parts in the Bible where homosexuality is condemned. For example, in Leviticus 18:22, sodomy is rightfully called an "abomination." And in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, scripture says that sodomites will not inherit the Kingdom of God. To put it another way, active homosexuals who don't repent will suffer eternal agony in the burning, fiery depths of hell.

There are some Christians who unfortunately deal with same-sex attraction, but they never act on their desires and seek the counsel of God for dealing with their immoral lust. They aren't sinning because they aren't committing sodomy despite liking those of the same gender. Most importantly, they keep their feelings to themselves.

However, a grave sin has happened within the United Methodist Church. A male UMC minister married another man! Even worse: his congregation "overwhelming supports" him and his sodomy proclivities! Read about it here: Gay Methodist minister David Meredith, church claim victory The article talks about a UMC committee charging the queer preacher with misconduct.

What has the United Methodist Church come to? Why is a man in deep homosexual sin allowed to preach in the first place? And why on earth does his congregation support him? If I went to a religious service here at my UMC church and our minister announced that he is gay and intends to marry his sodomite lover, it would be my last time ever attending that church. I would promptly find another church to join.

I could be wrong but hasn't the UMC as a denomination been going in that direction for quite a while now? If so, why not just leave the denomination as a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 1 Cor 5:6

 

[☦Marius☦]

No, I'm not comparing. I'm saying "its all bad". You are the one who introduced comparisons as a way of mitigating a sin. I disagree with that. See, you have an opinion that a homosexual relationship doesn't harm anyone. And, that is where you are wrong. If God created man to be with man and woman to be with woman, He could have said so. He didn't. So, is it possible for people to be healthy who are doing the opposite of what God called them to do? And, once you start condoning same-sex marriage, you open a whole bunch of issues that make it much harder for someone to get free, once they come into agreement with God.

I did not! Compassion did and I immediately addressed it. At least read the whole conversation if you are going to speak. I believe all sin is equal in the eyes of God. What we are talking about is what is worse in the eyes of men, not God. That is what I was addressing. Christians are quick to point out a homosexual, while they themselves might be a habitual liar or inappropriate content addict, because they are taking on the position only God can: as judge. I never once condoned homosexuality. Actually read my comments instead of getting all stirred up.