LDS For Not Following Joseph Smith?

[Jane_Doe]

I believe the Father is the ONE TRUE GOD as did Jesus. Jesus has always been the Son. The firstborn of all creation. That the Holy Spirit is the Fathers very own Spirit. He states so in the NT and Jesus stated the Spirit of the sovereign lord was upon Him.

Fathers promise=>In the last days I will you out My Spirit..
The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father (acts 2)
The Spirit was sent in Jesus's name and by Jesus's will and so represents the mind and will of christ in a believer. AS the Spirit can search not only the deep thoughts of God but also the Son and acts on their will. Jesus has been given that authority. The Father is God.
Jesus abides within the framework of the Fathers will. He will raise up all His own on the last day a bodily resurrection on this earth. That is the Fathers will. His Gods will.

Jesus the one and only at the Fathers side=>
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Matt 10:20
for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is All that the Father is. "The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him" As in the Spirit of His Father. The fullness of the Godhead.
NO, He has always been the Son. Firstborn at some point in history before the world began. and Jesus has His own spirt as in "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

The Father is in the Son. Oneness in that manner.

If the Father has a beginning it could not have been by any other being.

You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

Beautifully said!! Amen to all of it!

 

[Randy777]

Beautifully said!! Amen to all of it!

All of it was from the NT not new revelation. As I stated God would have given understanding from the NT not introduce new teachings.

And also as I asked how do you see Gods very own Spirit as a separate being from the "Father"?

 

[Jane_Doe]

All of it was from the NT not new revelation.

LDS firmly believe the NT. I quite love reading it.

And also as I asked how do you see Gods very own Spirit as a separate being from the "Father"?

The Father and Spirit are two different persons, as is Christ. They are ONE through unity. Does that answer you question?

 

[Peter1000]

Can you show from the NT how the Holy Spirit or Spirit of the Father or spirit of the sovereign Lord or spirit of truth is a separate distinct person from the "Father" as in own mind,will and spirit?

Here are 2 scriptures that give you a sense that the HS is sent from the Father by Jesus Christ. Notice that the HS cannot come until Jesus has departed. This is strong support that The Father and Jesus are separate and distinct from the HS.

John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Notice the verbiage that Jesus uses: I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you.

Is that interesting???? Jesus tells us it is true that he must depart, in order for the HS to come to them. Why do you think that is the case, especially if you think they are 1 God????

There are too many scriptures that demand that the Father and the Son and the HS are separate entities. They are one in Their united purpose of the salvation of man. They can all speak in first person and when they do there is no other God beside them. But there are 3 with distinct minds and wills, that are perfectly united as if They are 1 God.

The Godhead lives in everything, metaphorically, so there is some metaphoric type language when Jesus says his Father lives in him.
If the Father really did live in him, then he would have never said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. If Jesus were the only God, he would never have said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. And BTW, Jesus tells us that his God and his Father is the same Person that is our God and our Father. Is that interesting?????????? Is Jesus our brother???????
(See John 20:17)

LDS do believe that Jesus only does those things that he saw his Father do. (see John 5:19)


John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So Jesus does what he sees the Father do. Interesting language????????????? Think about it.

Do you really believe Jesus lead a rebellion against His own Church? As in leave and start a new church with different revelations?

Jesus would never lead a rebellion against his own church. But he may very well withdraw himself from his church if the leaders started to teach false doctrine and it started to not do the things that he commanded it to do.
He could very well withdraw from his church if the bishops thought they were more intelligent than he was and stopped receiving revelation from Jesus as to how to administer the church in righteousness.
He could very well withdraw from the church as it started to torture and murder people that did not believe in the things the bishops were doing. Do you think torture and murder are of Christ. He would not tolerate such activities and would withdraw his name from such devilish designs.

So certainly Jesus could withdraw from his church, if..... And he certainly has prophecied that he could and would restore his true church to the earth again, with living apostles and prophets and doctrines that were lost because of the doctrines of men. It is prophecied in the bible and we believe it.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm not being condescending. Jesus taught us to be baptized with a water baptism. Many, many mainline Christians reject that ordinance as being silly.

LDS say, since Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness for him, we had better be baptized to fulfill all righteousness for us. So following Jesus means that we do what he did, and we do what he said. Many, many mainline Christians do not. So far from being condescending, I am giving you a warning and here it is: If you love Jesus, follow him and keep his commandments, all of them, not just the ones you think are good ones to follow, we follow all of them, or in essence you are not really following Jesus.

Jesus was always righteous. You don't know which people are Christians. You only see outward appearances. A person is born again and given the Holy Spirit before water baptism. Baptism doesn't save us or make us righteous.

Why do several Mormons get married for time and eternity and claim it is a necessary act for eternal life? Jesus didn't do that.

 

[Rescued One]

Here are 2 scriptures that give you a sense that the HS is sent from the Father by Jesus Christ. Notice that the HS cannot come until Jesus has departed. This is strong support that The Father and Jesus are separate and distinct from the HS.

John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Notice the verbiage that Jesus uses: I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you.

Is that interesting???? Jesus tells us it is true that he must depart, in order for the HS to come to them. Why do you think that is the case, especially if you think they are 1 God????

There are too many scriptures that demand that the Father and the Son and the HS are separate entities. They are one in Their united purpose of the salvation of man. They can all speak in first person and when they do there is no other God beside them. But there are 3 with distinct minds and wills, that are perfectly united as if They are 1 God.

The Godhead lives in everything, metaphorically, so there is some metaphoric type language when Jesus says his Father lives in him.
If the Father really did live in him, then he would have never said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. If Jesus were the only God, he would never have said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. And BTW, Jesus tells us that his God and his Father is the same Person that is our God and our Father. Is that interesting?????????? Is Jesus our brother???????
(See John 20:17)

LDS do believe that Jesus only does those things that he saw his Father do. (see John 5:19)


John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So Jesus does what he sees the Father do. Interesting language????????????? Think about it.



Jesus would never lead a rebellion against his own church. But he may very well withdraw himself from his church if the leaders started to teach false doctrine and it started to not do the things that he commanded it to do.
He could very well withdraw from his church if the bishops thought they were more intelligent than he was and stopped receiving revelation from Jesus as to how to administer the church in righteousness.
He could very well withdraw from the church as it started to torture and murder people that did not believe in the things the bishops were doing. Do you think torture and murder are of Christ. He would not tolerate such activities and would withdraw his name from such devilish designs.

So certainly Jesus could withdraw from his church, if..... And he certainly has prophecied that he could and would restore his true church to the earth again, with living apostles and prophets and doctrines that were lost because of the doctrines of men. It is prophecied in the bible and we believe it.

Jesus is always with the Christian. The Father is always with the Christian.

 

[Rescued One]

All of it was from the NT not new revelation. As I stated God would have given understanding from the NT not introduce new teachings.

Regardless of any statements LDS make about how much they love the Bible, this is what they are taught from the Book of Mormon:


24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.

25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.

26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.

28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13: 24-29

Joseph Smith claimed:
I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.
History of the Church 4:461

 

[Randy777]

Here are 2 scriptures that give you a sense that the HS is sent from the Father by Jesus Christ. Notice that the HS cannot come until Jesus has departed. This is strong support that The Father and Jesus are separate and distinct from the HS.

John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Notice the verbiage that Jesus uses: I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you.

Is that interesting???? Jesus tells us it is true that he must depart, in order for the HS to come to them. Why do you think that is the case, especially if you think they are 1 God????

There are too many scriptures that demand that the Father and the Son and the HS are separate entities. They are one in Their united purpose of the salvation of man. They can all speak in first person and when they do there is no other God beside them. But there are 3 with distinct minds and wills, that are perfectly united as if They are 1 God.

The Godhead lives in everything, metaphorically, so there is some metaphoric type language when Jesus says his Father lives in him.
If the Father really did live in him, then he would have never said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. If Jesus were the only God, he would never have said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. And BTW, Jesus tells us that his God and his Father is the same Person that is our God and our Father. Is that interesting?????????? Is Jesus our brother???????
(See John 20:17)

LDS do believe that Jesus only does those things that he saw his Father do. (see John 5:19)


John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So Jesus does what he sees the Father do. Interesting language????????????? Think about it.



Jesus would never lead a rebellion against his own church. But he may very well withdraw himself from his church if the leaders started to teach false doctrine and it started to not do the things that he commanded it to do.
He could very well withdraw from his church if the bishops thought they were more intelligent than he was and stopped receiving revelation from Jesus as to how to administer the church in righteousness.
He could very well withdraw from the church as it started to torture and murder people that did not believe in the things the bishops were doing. Do you think torture and murder are of Christ. He would not tolerate such activities and would withdraw his name from such devilish designs.

So certainly Jesus could withdraw from his church, if..... And he certainly has prophecied that he could and would restore his true church to the earth again, with living apostles and prophets and doctrines that were lost because of the doctrines of men. It is prophecied in the bible and we believe it.

Jesus is Gods firstborn and in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell. Jesus is before all things except the Father who is His God. So even though Jesus has a beginning He is not a angel as the fullness was given to Him alone. Jesus has no end like the Father
The son that was (his spirit) was in the tent of the body God prepared for Him. I do not view the Holy Spirit of God as a separate distinct being from the "Father". The Father states "my spirit" in regard to that spirit. Since its the Fathers very own Spirit then the Holy Spirit is divine by nature. Jesus has His own spirit (not divine) or you would have two Gods however as stated all the fullness of the God head dwells,(the Father), in Him and in that oneness with the Father Jesus is the exact representation of the wisdom and power of God. or simply All that the Father is. So in that context Jesus is God. IN the other context, as Gods firstborn and Son, He is not God Even so as the Son Jesus abides within the framework of the Fathers will. We and no other of Gods children will ever be given all the fullness of the Godhead. In that Jesus is the one and only at the Fathers side and He alone was found worthy of honor and power and glory forever.
One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[mmksparbud]

I agree this is straight forward, Jesus is bringing his reward, but then you say it is eternal life. Is getting eternal life based on a persons works?????? If you are a Mormon, you are right at home with this scripture, but if you are a mainlstream Christian this scripture presents a problem. To mainstream Chirstians Jesus's reward is not based on a persons works, it is a free gift.
So in order for this scripture to make sense to you, it should read: And behold, I come quickly, and my reward of eternal life is with me for those who are saved, and for those that have rejected me their reward is hell and fire and brimstone.

There, now that rendition of Rev. 22:12 fits your belief system.

However, that is not what it says. Revelation 22:12 has a JS slant to it. Jesus is bringing a reward that is based on a persons good works. Apparently not a free gift. Keep searching, if I know you, you will find a way around it.

This scripture, however, is just as JS taught about the 3 degrees of glory, based on a persons works. That is the reward that Jesus is bringing, which heaven you will be rewarded with, or will you go to hell.

No--His reward is eternal life--that is His gift, and a gift is FREE. You can not earn a gift--it is given freely.

Rom_5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom_5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom_5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Randy777]

Here are 2 scriptures that give you a sense that the HS is sent from the Father by Jesus Christ. Notice that the HS cannot come until Jesus has departed. This is strong support that The Father and Jesus are separate and distinct from the HS.

John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Notice the verbiage that Jesus uses: I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you.

Is that interesting???? Jesus tells us it is true that he must depart, in order for the HS to come to them. Why do you think that is the case, especially if you think they are 1 God????

There are too many scriptures that demand that the Father and the Son and the HS are separate entities. They are one in Their united purpose of the salvation of man. They can all speak in first person and when they do there is no other God beside them. But there are 3 with distinct minds and wills, that are perfectly united as if They are 1 God.

The Godhead lives in everything, metaphorically, so there is some metaphoric type language when Jesus says his Father lives in him.
If the Father really did live in him, then he would have never said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. If Jesus were the only God, he would never have said, I ascend unto my God, and my Father. And BTW, Jesus tells us that his God and his Father is the same Person that is our God and our Father. Is that interesting?????????? Is Jesus our brother???????
(See John 20:17)

LDS do believe that Jesus only does those things that he saw his Father do. (see John 5:19)


John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So Jesus does what he sees the Father do. Interesting language????????????? Think about it.



Jesus would never lead a rebellion against his own church. But he may very well withdraw himself from his church if the leaders started to teach false doctrine and it started to not do the things that he commanded it to do.
He could very well withdraw from his church if the bishops thought they were more intelligent than he was and stopped receiving revelation from Jesus as to how to administer the church in righteousness.
He could very well withdraw from the church as it started to torture and murder people that did not believe in the things the bishops were doing. Do you think torture and murder are of Christ. He would not tolerate such activities and would withdraw his name from such devilish designs.

So certainly Jesus could withdraw from his church, if..... And he certainly has prophecied that he could and would restore his true church to the earth again, with living apostles and prophets and doctrines that were lost because of the doctrines of men. It is prophecied in the bible and we believe it.

Fathers promise=>In the last days I will pour out MY SPIRIT....
Jesus is the Son and as firstborn God would have formed Hid Spirit and Jesus has hod own spirit "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"
Jesus calls the Father the one true God and His God and our God.
If Jesus's spirit is divine then you have two Gods. And we know no God was formed before or after the Father. How then is Jesus the image of the invisible God? God was pleased that IN Jesus all His fullness should dwell. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge and all the power of God. The fullness of the God head dwells in the Son. Jesus was with God in the beginning and the creation that God made He made through Jesus. Jesus is ALL that the Father is.

The scriptures do not support that Gods very own Spirit (the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is a separate distinct person from God. (The Father) from Jesus yes but not from the Father. The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of God does not speak of His own accord but searchs the mind of the Spirit and speaks what He hears from the will of the mind of the Spirit. WE don't pray tp the Holy Spirit because he would listen to us He is Gods Spirit. You can pray to Jesus and Jesus can answer as He is the ruler of Gods creation appointed by the Father and He is ALL that tHe Father is. Paul called out to Him to remove the thorn that tormented Him and Jesus answered "my grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in weakness" And when Paul was blinded at His appointment (of the body) Jesus noted Paul was praying and sent ananias to heal His blindness and to baptize Him.
Those who love and honor the Son are loved by the Father for the Father was the one who sent Him. It was God the Father who made Jesus both Lord and Christ. What work did the criminal on the cross next to Jesus do to have His sins forgiven? He received eternal life by faith. For He stated "Lord" will you remember me when you come into your kingdom" Flesh and blood can't inherit the eternal kingdom promised by God to those who love him. Hence a bodily resurrection with bodies not made of the dust of the earth. The Holy Spirit bears witness and guides us into all truth as in those who listen and learn from the "Father" go to the Son and Jesus will raise us up on the last day. There is no other gospel message given other then what you read in the NT. Air righteousness is credited to us by faith. From first to last by faith in Christ Jesus. I would consider Mormons outside of that faith. Joseph Smith was not a prophet nor those with Him. There are only 12 true Apostles of the Lord with Paul replacing Judas the betrayer. Throw away all that was added by JS and His followers and use the NT as your guide. And call on the "Lord" for understanding and life.Seek truth from the Lord and you will find it.

Paul didn't view the HS as separate from the Father for He stated.

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"

And what about Jesus
Matt 10:20
for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you

The spirit Jesus baptizes with He received from the Father (acts 2)

Jesus=>Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Jesus=>For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Jesus=>For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. "today you shall be with me on paradise"

Jesus to Paul=>to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

This same gospel message (NT) was first preached in a world with many different customs and many false Gods. To peoples living in sin and darkness and ignorance. They were saved (those who were willing to listen) by the Love and grace of God not by observing the law. Every one who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free. And if the Son sets them free they are free indeed.

 

[Randy777]

Jesus is always with the Christian. The Father is always with the Christian.

True- you have seen the light and received the grace and love of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Those that believe in Him will never die.

 

[Rescued One]

John 14
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I have every reason to love Him!

Matthew 28
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Deuteronomy 31
6Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

Hebrews 13
5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Jesus is Gods firstborn and in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell. Jesus is before all things except the Father who is His God. So even though Jesus has a beginning He is not a angel as the fullness was given to Him alone. Jesus has no end like the Father
The son that was (his spirit) was in the tent of the body God prepared for Him. I do not view the Holy Spirit of God as a separate distinct being from the "Father". The Father states "my spirit" in regard to that spirit. Since its the Fathers very own Spirit then the Holy Spirit is divine by nature. Jesus has His own spirit (not divine) or you would have two Gods however as stated all the fullness of the God head dwells,(the Father), in Him and in that oneness with the Father Jesus is the exact representation of the wisdom and power of God. or simply All that the Father is. So in that context Jesus is God. IN the other context, as Gods firstborn and Son, He is not God Even so as the Son Jesus abides within the framework of the Fathers will. We and no other of Gods children will ever be given all the fullness of the Godhead. In that Jesus is the one and only at the Fathers side and He alone was found worthy of honor and power and glory forever.
One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ.

LDS firmly believe that Christ is God's firstborn, and all fullness dwells in Him. He's not an angel, never has been. He doesn't have a beginning or end. And same with most all of the things you said.

Fathers promise=>In the last days I will pour out MY SPIRIT....
Jesus is the Son and as firstborn God would have formed Hid Spirit and Jesus has hod own spirit "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"
Jesus calls the Father the one true God and His God and our God.
If Jesus's spirit is divine then you have two Gods. And we know no God was formed before or after the Father. How then is Jesus the image of the invisible God? God was pleased that IN Jesus all His fullness should dwell. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge and all the power of God. The fullness of the God head dwells in the Son. Jesus was with God in the beginning and the creation that God made He made through Jesus. Jesus is ALL that the Father is.

The scriptures do not support that Gods very own Spirit (the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is a separate distinct person from God. (The Father) from Jesus yes but not from the Father. The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of God does not speak of His own accord but searchs the mind of the Spirit and speaks what He hears from the will of the mind of the Spirit. WE don't pray tp the Holy Spirit because he would listen to us He is Gods Spirit. You can pray to Jesus and Jesus can answer as He is the ruler of Gods creation appointed by the Father and He is ALL that tHe Father is. Paul called out to Him to remove the thorn that tormented Him and Jesus answered "my grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in weakness" And when Paul was blinded at His appointment (of the body) Jesus noted Paul was praying and sent ananias to heal His blindness and to baptize Him.
Those who love and honor the Son are loved by the Father for the Father was the one who sent Him. It was God the Father who made Jesus both Lord and Christ. What work did the criminal on the cross next to Jesus do to have His sins forgiven? He received eternal life by faith. For He stated "Lord" will you remember me when you come into your kingdom" Flesh and blood can't inherit the eternal kingdom promised by God to those who love him. Hence a bodily resurrection with bodies not made of the dust of the earth. The Holy Spirit bears witness and guides us into all truth as in those who listen and learn from the "Father" go to the Son and Jesus will raise us up on the last day. There is no other gospel message given other then what you read in the NT. Air righteousness is credited to us by faith. From first to last by faith in Christ Jesus. I would consider Mormons outside of that faith. Joseph Smith was not a prophet nor those with Him. There are only 12 true Apostles of the Lord with Paul replacing Judas the betrayer. Throw away all that was added by JS and His followers and use the NT as your guide. And call on the "Lord" for understanding and life.Seek truth from the Lord and you will find it.

Paul didn't view the HS as separate from the Father for He stated.

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"

And what about Jesus
Matt 10:20
for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you

The spirit Jesus baptizes with He received from the Father (acts 2)

Jesus=>Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Jesus=>For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Jesus=>For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. "today you shall be with me on paradise"

Jesus to Paul=>to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

This same gospel message (NT) was first preached in a world with many different customs and many false Gods. To peoples living in sin and darkness and ignorance. They were saved (those who were willing to listen) by the Love and grace of God not by observing the law. Every one who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free. And if the Son sets them free they are free indeed.

Likewise with this post. I do want to highlight that LDS do believe that we're not saved by works- we're saved by Christ and His gift. We have faith in Him. He sets us free from sin and death.

 

[Rescued One]

Mormons teach that men had no beginning:

Doctrine and Covenants 132
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 

[BigDaddy4]

So the apostles and prophets administered the whole world wide church

Again, this has no basis in Scripture. It's the lds made up version.

 

[Randy777]

LDS firmly believe that Christ is God's firstborn, and all fullness dwells in Him. He's not an angel, never has been. He doesn't have a beginning or end. And same with most all of the things you said.

Likewise with this post. I do want to highlight that LDS do believe that we're not saved by works- we're saved by Christ and His gift. We have faith in Him. He sets us free from sin and death.

As firstborn Jesus has a beginning but no end. Also God forming Jesus's spirit is not the same as offspring of a male female union. Jesus stated God is Spirit. Gods firstborn would be a being.

 

[Randy777]

Likewise with this post. I do want to highlight that LDS do believe that we're not saved by works- we're saved by Christ and His gift. We have faith in Him. He sets us free from sin and death.

There has to be differences or you wouldn't be called Mormons. What did JS introduce differently?

 

[Jane_Doe]

As firstborn Jesus has a beginning but no end. Also God forming Jesus's spirit is not the same as offspring of a male female union. Jesus stated God is Spirit. Gods firstborn would be a being.

LDS do indeed believe Christ as no beginning or end.

There has to be differences or you wouldn't be called Mormons. What did JS introduce differently?

Mormons are a Christian denomination. There are difference between LDS and other Christian groups (as there is with any other group), but not the big points you've been hitting here (Christ being eternal, the Son of God, Savior of the world, etc). If you want me to elaborate on some of the differences, I can.

 

[Peter1000]

Jesus is always with the Christian. The Father is always with the Christian.

That is true, but They are with us because they sent the HS to us. You can read it in the scriptures. It is not a disputed action.

 

[Peter1000]

Again, this has no basis in Scripture. It's the lds made up version.

I will rephrase this statement.

The apostles administered the growth of the church in the first century, wherever that growth occurred.