Do you stand with Israel?

[Desk trauma]

My point is that if God is for them, then as Christians, we should be as well.

Great, now if we could do away with my being made to subsidize them at gun point and transition to voluntary support for them...

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

You need to check in dictionary what Everlasting means . It does not mean that it end 2000 years ago ...

It didn't end, rather it was brought up to date.

 

[Landon Caeli]

If one wants to support the so called "Palestine" over Israel, you should take a trip there and get to know the locals first.

...If you want to see both places, visit Israel first.

 

[Ana the Ist]

How can one be a Christian and be against Israel, on the side of the Palestinians? Or be in favor of a divided state? If they read the bible, they'd know God Himself promised that land to the Abraham and the Jews. So there should be no contesting this. Yet I know Christians who don't get this. We should be in support of Jerusalem being recognized as the capital of Israel. Yet there are Christians opposed to this---I guess for the sole reason that Trump supports it?

I don't really care what the capital of Israel is...nor do I care about their religious beliefs or the religious beliefs of their enemies.

What I do think is important, is the policies and rights of the peoples respective of those states. Israel is basically an island of freedom and equality and civil rights in a region that basically holds women as second class citizens, or outright property, and that alone seems like a good reason to support them against their enemies.

 

[JackRT]

My point is that if God is for them, then as Christians, we should be as well. Although there probably are Christian Palestinians, isn't the majority Muslim?

So what do we do? Treat the Christian Palestinians fairly and let the Israeli wolves devour the rest?

 

[Rick Otto]

QUOTE="Lybrah, post: 72144046, member: 386675"]How can one be a Christian and be against Israel, on the side of the Palestinians?

Being "against Israel" isn't necessarily being for Palestinians. You aren't seeing the whole picture. Did you know orthodox Jews are anti-zionist? Do you know anything at all about Rothschild's role in the Balfour Declaration?
How can anyone be so passionate and remain uninformed?

Or be in favor of a divided state?

How about a peaceful state? Can I be indifferent to the political arrangement as long as it means hostilities cease? Is that unchristian?

If they read the bible, they'd know God Himself promised that land to the Abraham and the Jews. So there should be no contesting this. Yet I know Christians who don't get this. We should be in support of Jerusalem being recognized as the capital of Israel.

I actually am. But there's a whole lot more we need to read to be aware if the devices of the enemy. I have read the bible cover to cover seven times. Done word studies, topic studies, character studies... having our hearts in the right place does not prevent us from having our heads turned aside.

Yet there are Christians opposed to this---I guess for the sole reason that Trump supports it?

You're right and it's a shame for sure. I support it just because it's the right thing to do - procedurally. It's the devil's doing even though God is using it for good.
I never liked Trump but he's growing on me.
I voted for him to "throw a brick" at the District of Columbia which I think is actually a city state. I might be able to check that if the International Court of Justice (The Hague).
The secular Jews that run Israel belong to the synagogue of satan.
Check it out and see if I'm right... orthodox Jews do not support the idea of Israel being a nation right now. They believe God forbids it.

 

[Rick Otto]

Well, OP, you might be right, but even if you are, it is a valid question to ask if the timing of Trump's announcement as correct?

As I understand it, it was scheduled to happen by previous agreement.

 

[Rick Otto]

My point is that if God is for them, then as Christians, we should be as well. Although there probably are Christian Palestinians, isn't the majority Muslim?

Your feeling your way, dear heart.
Crack open some history books.
Examine opposing opinions for valid argument.
Don't support anyone who is willing to murder for a cause. Jesus wouldn't.

 

[Rick Otto]

I dont think The United States should have Gave Israel someone else's land . Also, I think the United States should stop sticking their nose in their business.

Lol. I love it. Plain and simple.
Thank you, lady.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I dont think The United States should have Gave Israel someone else's land . Also, I think the United States should stop sticking their nose in their business.

Well, I think that's wishful thinking considering the history of the United States taking someone else's land and then falsely claiming divine providence too. And considering that the U.S. has a rather long history of warmongering, I think it's also wishful thinking that the U.S. will stop sticking its nose in the business of other countries too. As far as the United States' continuous support of Israel, well, birds of a feather do stick together. I can't imagine the U.S. stopping their support of Israel considering all the evangelicals who insist upon it. And now that Trump is in office pandering to his evangelical right wing supporters in his attempts to appease them, it's highly unlikely that will happen soon anyway.

 

[Rick Otto]

History has shown that no matter what concessions the Israelis make, most of those countries near or around them won't be happy until Israel ceases to exist as a nation.
So why should Israel be obligated to give up land if its only going to be used against them?

The way I see it is they just want to put Israel at such a disadvantage that it will be impossible for Israel to defend itself in the next "6-day war" type of invasion. There will never be any lasting peace there between Israel & Muslims, because they do not recognize Israel as having a right to exist; especially when you hear the rhetoric coming out of countries such as Iran.

The neighbors have opinions, too.

 

[Belk]

Can we stop conducting foreign policy based on the idea fallible humans are somehow able to see the future based on book written thousand of years ago?

 

[Rick Otto]

Can we stop conducting foreign policy based on the idea fallible humans are somehow able to see the future based on book written thousand of years ago?

Pretty good book, though...

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Pretty good book, though...

I think that more or less depends on your opinion and interpretation of all the violence, bloodshed, and multiple massacres of people who weren't of Israel that were written about in that book. I'm not saying this to be insulting or to mock. I'm just commenting on the subject, no offense intended.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Can we stop conducting foreign policy based on the idea fallible humans are somehow able to see the future based on book written thousand of years ago?

I honestly don't see that happening since so many Christians have laid claim to the United States and firmly insisting that it is a Christian nation and it was founded upon Christian principles.

 

[Belk]

Pretty good book, though...

That it might be. It's adherents are still fallible humans regardless.

 

[Belk]

I honestly don't see that happening since so many Christians have laid claim to the United States and firmly insisting that it is a Christian nation and it was founded upon Christian principles.

I honestly don't see it happening because Americans have fetishized ignorance over calm deliberation.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Its adherents are still fallible humans regardless.

True.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

As I understand it, it was scheduled to happen by previous agreement.

And in my opinion, the former presidents who didn't follow through with that agreement were very wise not to do so and they weren't keen on pacifying their evangelical supporters either.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think that more or less depends on your opinion and interpretation of all the violence, bloodshed, and multiple massacres of people who weren't of Israel that were written about in that book. I'm not saying this to be insulting or to mock. I'm just commenting on the subject, no offense intended.

Assuming nations haven't been trying to put a strangle hold on the Jews just as much in ancient history as they have in 20th Century or Classical history.

Point is, I think they've always been a targeted group. So there is very justifiable reasons for them to defend themselves both now as well as in their ancient books.