"The Passion Translation": You are Jesus Christ's Equal

[amariselle]

Nope. 1 John 5:16-17 says there is a sin that does not lead unto death.

What kind of "death"? What is the context? Physical death, or eternal death and damnation?

Once a person is saved and born again, they are "sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption."

Does that sound like a truly saved person can lose salvation?

Also, perhaps you can point me to the Scriptures that give the ranking system for sin, and how apparently God will forgive some more than others.

1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism does not save us in regards to the putting away of the filth of the flesh (i.e. sin).

When did I say that (water) baptism saves us?

I will be happy to answer them later to show that you don’t know what your talking about.

Alright.

My statement was to show the truth. What truth? My life is not the standard, but God’s Word is. So if I live holy in this life or if I sin, God’s Word is still true in what says in how we are to live.

I never once said we shouldn't live "Holy" lives of obedience, now did I?

However, no one who is not born again and in Christ will actually care about being His disciple, nor will they love Him. We love because He first loved us.

Paul says this as a part of his experience as a Pharisee before he became a Christian.

Incorrect. Paul is speaking in a present and continuous tense. In fact, he says that as a Pharisee and a "Hebrew of the Hebrews" he had more reason to boast in the "flesh" than anyone. Yet, he counted it all as "dung", worthless, for the sake of knowing Christ. Why? Because he knew he could not save himself.

The 144,000 were found without fault before the throne of God. Enoch was translated because he walked with God. This means he lived righteously.

What does it mean to "walk with God"? By faith? Or by works? And no one in Christ is under condemnation.

 

[amariselle]

Unfortunately, very few are going to stand up against this. That's why it's gotten so bad, but I wonder how much longer this will go on. It's looking like the devil has the majority of self-proclaimed Christendom under wraps and now he is just focusing on making war against the legitimate saints who won't tolerate the delusion.

I agree.

Honestly, I am heartbroken that it has become so bad now that the claim that we are Jesus Christ's equal (and putting this in what is promoted as Scripture, in Jesus' own mouth) does not even cause most to bat an eye.

Such is the reality in a Church infiltrated by the leaven of the NAR, false prophets and apostles, works like "Jesus Calling" and "The Shack."

The New Age false messiah.

But, true Scripture warns of this deception.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Abiding is "resting". The branch does not "abide" in the vine by working to be there.

We are "grafted in" by faith, not by works.

I told you before that we come to the Lord by faith and we continue in that faith. Also faith produces works. See Hebrews 11.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What kind of "death"? What is the context? Physical death, or eternal death and damnation?

Once a person is saved and born again, they are "sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption."

Does that sound like a truly saved person can lose salvation?

Also, perhaps you can point me to the Scriptures that give the ranking system for sin, and how apparently God will forgive some more than others.



When did I say that (water) baptism saves us?



Alright.



I never once said we shouldn't live "Holy" lives of obedience, now did I?

However, no one who is not born again and in Christ will actually care about being His disciple, nor will the love Him. We love because He first loved us.



Incorrect. Paul is speaking in a present and continuous tense. In fact, he says that as a Pharisee and a "Hebrew of the Hebrews" he had more reason to boast in the "flesh" than anyone. Yet, he counted it all as "dung", worthless, for the sake of knowing Christ. Why? Because he knew he could not save himself.



What does it mean to "walk with God"? By faith? Or by works? And no one in Christ is under condemnation.

If you were to read again the entire epistle of John he constantly contrasts eternal life with spiritual death. There is no mention of physical death by him. That would be your belief wanting such a thing to be true.

 

[amariselle]

I told you before that we come to the Lord by faith and we continue in that faith. Also faith produces works. See Hebrews 11.

Works that are not what save us. Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.

 

[amariselle]

If you were to read again the entire epistle of John he constantly contrasts eternal life with spiritual death. There is no mention of physical death by him.

And spiritual death, (the second death) according to Scripture, is not to be feared by born again believers who have already passed from death to life, been born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Abiding is "resting". The branch does not "abide" in the vine by working to be there.

We are "grafted in" by faith, not by works.

When we / anyone/ abides in Jesus, they /we/ also DO YHWH'S WORD (we are not "hearers only").

We overcome sin, the flesh, the world and the devil every day, and are tempted every day not to.

We get to destroy the works of the enemy every day, as YHWH Planned. Heal the sick, cast out demons, restore lost souls/sheep/ little ones to YHWH by the word of our testimony and blood of the LAMB, and the message of reconciliation the Father entrusted to us.

All heaven, all the angels, REJOICE EXCEEDINGLY whenever one, even just one, soul is saved.
(so do we all, everywhere in the world)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And spiritual death, (the second death) according to Scripture, is not to be feared by born again believers who have already passed from death to life, been born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.

Au contrare, and ye werst doing so well...
"BE TERRIFIED" is one translation , possibly VERY appropriate seeing the conditions here and all around us and throughout the world -
"BE TERRIFIED" lest ANYONE be found to FALL SHORT (of YHWH'S Promised Life to come)....

 

[Doug Melven]

For example: Is the axe murdering rapist (who confesses that he believes in Jesus as his Savior) saved just as much as the believer (who believes in Jesus as their Savior) saved who lives perfectly righteous?

I wonder why people who use the example of an axe-murdering rapist why you never use the example of a person who tells a little white lie?
If you break the law in one point you are guilty of breaking the whole law.
From God's point of view, they are both sinners. And if they don't accept Christ neither will receive eternal life.

Also, if your plan of salvation allows for you to sin and still be saved on some level, then wouldn't than mean God would have to agree with such a plan of salvation that make an allowance for sin? Can God agree with sin? Surely not.

God can't agree with sin. But, He knows our frame.
God had a problem with the Old Covenant. That problem was man could not keep the Old Covenant so He made a New Covenant and He said I will put my laws in them and I will be merciful to there unrighteousness and there sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more.

I sin every waking hour of every single day. Whether in thought, word or deed.
God knew this before He saved me and forgave me.
When I know I have sinned, I thank Him that He forgave me soooo much.
I used to think I had to confess my sins to restore fellowship. The problem was the more I confessed the more sin I remembered I had to confess.
And if I ever got to the point where I had all my sins confessed, I thought to myself what a relief to have all those sins off my back because they were weighing me down. So I accomplished something.
This is pure pride. Now I have a new sin to confess.
For some reason this red color won't go away.
I bet you think you live a pretty good life. If you get a revelation of just how holy this God is who is living inside of you, you would abhor yourself as Job and Isaiah did when they got a glimpse of God's glory.
You would realize just how much you sin every day.

 

[amariselle]

When we / anyone/ abides in Jesus, they /we/ also DO YHWH'S WORD (we are not "hearers only").

We overcome sin, the flesh, the world and the devil every day, and are tempted every day not to.

We get to destroy the works of the enemy every day, as YHWH Planned. Heal the sick, cast out demons, restore lost souls/sheep/ little ones to YHWH by the word of our testimony and blood of the LAMB, and the message of reconciliation the Father entrusted to us.

All heaven, all the angels, REJOICE EXCEEDINGLY whenever one, even just one, soul is saved.
(so do we all, everywhere in the world)

I never said otherwise. However, if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Paul wrote that his flesh "serves the Law of sin."

And this "flesh" will either die or be instantly transformed, it will not inherit the Kingdom.

Once saved, by grace, through faith, we grow in His grace and in spiritual maturity. We sow to the Spirit and not the flesh.

 

[amariselle]

Au contrare, and ye werst doing so well...
"BE TERRIFIED" is one translation , possibly VERY appropriate seeing the conditions here and all around us and throughout the world -
"BE TERRIFIED" lest ANYONE be found to FALL SHORT (of YHWH'S Promised Life to come)....

Fall short how? By not behaving well enough?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

However, if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

?? What does this have to do with the post you just quoted ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Fall short how? By not behaving well enough?

Look it up, it is a quote (albeit , yes, in english) from the bible. (I'll look for it shortly , YHWH willing)

 

[amariselle]

?? What does this have to do with the post you just quoted ?

Everything. In the "flesh" no one is without sin.

 

[amariselle]

Look it up, it is a quote (albeit , yes, in english) from the bible. (I'll look for it shortly , YHWH willing)

We walk by faith. It is all faith. Never works that save. (Only Christ's finished work).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Showing results for "be terrified" site:biblegateway.com Hebrews

site:biblegateway.com HebrewsSearch ResultsHebrews 4 CJB - Therefore, let us be terrified of the - Bible Gatewayhttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+4&version=CJBTherefore, let us be terrified of the possibility that, even though the promise of entering his rest remains, any one of you might be judged to have.....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Everything. In the "flesh" no one is without sin.

Nothing then. (Nothing to do with the post I posted that you quoted)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We walk by faith. It is all faith. Never works that save. (Only Christ's finished work).

So by faith, believe all of YHWH'S WORD. (not pick and choose)

 

[amariselle]

Showing results for "be terrified" site:biblegateway.com Hebrews

site:biblegateway.com HebrewsSearch ResultsHebrews 4 CJB - Therefore, let us be terrified of the - Bible Gatewayhttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+4&version=CJBTherefore, let us be terrified of the possibility that, even though the promise of entering his rest remains, any one of you might be judged to have.....

You should really finish that verse about "entering his rest."

Only Satan wants us to fear that maybe we are not really saved.

 

[amariselle]

So by faith, believe all of YHWH'S WORD. (not pick and choose)

Yep.