"The Passion Translation": You are Jesus Christ's Equal

[amariselle]

Brian Simmons (the Translator of the Passion Translation) also changes Revelation 22:19 to say that if a person takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy God that God will remove his portion from the Tree of Life. However, the Word of God says, "God shall take away his part out of the book of life,"

This is like crazy.

As I said, The Passion Translation is not Scripture.

 

[amariselle]

It's not about earning, it is about abiding. Abiding in Christ and the Lord will do the good work through you. But one needs to have a correct view of God's goodness, though. We have to agree with God's goodness or basic morality or there is no true repentance.

Of course God is "good". And you "abide" when you "rest", not by your own efforts.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I don't have time to respond to all this right now. However, none of what you've shared contradicts the fact that salvation is a free gift, not of works.

The "new Law" is the "Law of faith."

Paul recognized that his flesh was sinful, that it "served the law of sin." He recognized that the flesh wars against the Spirit.

Yet, Paul was saved. He was a true, born again believer.

This earthly body of flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom either, by the way. It must either die and be raised in incorruption and immortality, or be instantly transformed into such at Christ's return (for those still living).

I'm going to go do some work around here now.

God bless.

Actually, there are many commands or laws within the New Testament.

There is the Law of Christ.
There is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
There is the Royal Law.
The Perfect Law of Liberty.
There is a command to believe on Jesus.
There is a command to repent.

Then there are the commands to sin not:

(a) Sin not (1 John 2:1)
(b) Awake to righteousness and sin not (1 Corinthians 15:34). (c) Sin no more (John 5:14)
(d) Abstain from fleshly lusts (1 Peter 2:11) (e) Prepare ye the way of the Lord and make your paths straight (Matthew 3:3).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

As I said, The Passion Translation is not Scripture.

Nowhere did I say it was Scripture.
What should disturb you is that Brian's Soteriology matches up with your version of Soteriology.

 

[amariselle]

Nowhere did I say it was Scripture.
What should disturb you is that Brian's Soteriology matches up with your version of Soteriology.

Actually it doesn't. Not if he believes what he wrote (and the subject of this thread) that we are Christ's equal.

If he believes that (and I cannot say he does for certain, not knowing his heart) then he has "another Jesus." One that cannot save.

The true Jesus Christ is God and we are not His equal in any way, shape or form.

 

[amariselle]

Actually, there are many commands or laws within the New Testament.

There is the Law of Christ.
There is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
There is the Royal Law.
The Perfect Law of Liberty.
There is a command to believe on Jesus.
There is a command to repent.

Then there are the commands to sin not:

(a) Sin not (1 John 2:1)
(b) Awake to righteousness and sin not (1 Corinthians 15:34). (c) Sin no more (John 5:14)
(d) Abstain from fleshly lusts (1 Peter 2:11) (e) Prepare ye the way of the Lord and make your paths straight (Matthew 3:3).

You are confusing salvation with discipleship again.

The only way to be saved is in Christ, not by our works.

After we are saved, then yes, He will work in us and we will grow in spiritual maturity and in His grace.

We must be saved first, however, and be in Him. Apart from Him we can do nothing.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Actually it doesn't. Not if he believes what he wrote (and the subject of this thread) that we are Christ's equal.

If he believes that (and I cannot say he does for certain, not knowing his heart) then he has "another Jesus." One that cannot save.

The true Jesus Christ is God and we are not His equal in any way, shape or form.

Yes, Jesus is God and not our equal, so he is teaching something false. But he also appears to teach Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved gospel like you believe.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are confusing salvation with discipleship again.

The only way to be saved is in Christ, not by our works.

After we are saved, then yes, He will work in us and we will grow in spiritual maturity and in His grace.

We must be saved first, however, and be in Him. Apart from Him we can do nothing.

No. You are not accepting what the Bible says plainly. Jesus said if you look upon a woman in lust, your whole body will be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).

Jesus said if you don’t forgive, the Father will not forgive you (Matthew 6:15).

John said if we hate our brother, no eternal life abides within us (1 John 3:15).

Loving your neighbor (which would include loving your brother) is keeping the moral Law (see Romans 13:8-10).

 

[amariselle]

No. You are not accepting what the Bible says plainly. Jesus said if you look upon a woman in lust, your whole body will be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).

Jesus said if you don’t forgive, the Father will not forgive you (Matthew 6:15).

John said if we hate our brother, no eternal life abides within us (1 John 3:15).

Loving your neighbor (which would include loving your brother) is keeping the moral Law (see Romans 13:8-10).

Again, what point do you think Jesus was making? What was He making clear to people?

That human beings can earn salvation?

 

[amariselle]

Yes, Jesus is God and not our equal, so he is teaching something false. But he also appears to teach Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved gospel like you believe.

Okay. Let me ask you a few things.

Since you have been saved, have you worried about anything?

Have you been unjustly angry with anyone?

Have you kept all your promises to others or done what you said you would do perfectly?

Have you helped every single person you could have helped and in every way that you were able to help them?

Have you been lazy?

Have you envied anyone in any way?

Have you been discontent or ungrateful?

Have you lied to anyone?

Since being saved, have you done any of these things? Yes or no?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Again, what point do you think Jesus was making? What was He making clear to people?

That human beings can earn salvation?

His point was that we are to find a way through Him so as to stop these sins or there will be dire consequences for our soul after we die. To say otherwise is to distort what Jesus said. Jesus was warning us that these sins can lead to spiritual death.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Okay. Let me ask you a few things.

Since you have been saved, have you worried about anything?

Have you been unjustly angry with anyone?

Have you kept all your promises to others or done what you said you would do perfectly?

Have you helped every single person you could have helped and in every way that you were able to help them?

Have you been lazy?

Have you envied anyone in any way?

Have you been discontent or ungrateful?

Have you lied to anyone?

Since being saved, have you done any of these things? Yes or no?

My life is not the standard. God’s Word is the standard. It is true regardless of what different men do or don’t do.

Also, not all sin is the same.
See 1 John 5:16-16.

 

[amariselle]

His point was that we are to find a way through Him so as to stop these sins or there will be dire consequences for our soul after we die. To say otherwise is to distort what Jesus said. Jesus was warning us that these sins can lead to spiritual death.

Jesus was indeed revealing to people just how deep sin goes and how we are all guilty before God, deserving of death.

His solution, however, was not telling people they could or must earn their own salvation. Why do you think He died on that cross?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

We do sin physically even after we are saved.

You really believe you have stopped sinning in your flesh, don't you?

I guess that makes you better than Paul and Peter and everyone else.

Congratulations. You don't need Jesus in that case, you really have saved yourself.

The rest of us, however, need Christ and His righteousness.



14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. -Romans 7:14-25



By the word of God and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.



Yes. If they are truly saved. Then they have Christ's righteousness, through faith, and they stand in that.

And you may want to recall what Jesus said about hate and murder. Lest you look down your nose at others and think yourself more righteous than they are.

Also, do you believe Paul was saved? Even though he murdered Christians in the name of God?

Or what about David who was both a murderer and an adulterer?

Or Moses, who was a murderer?

Were they saved?



My "plan of salvation" is not "my plan" at all. I take no credit for it. I am saved precisely as Scripture says I am.



Who said He agrees with sin? The question is, is Christ's sacrifice and shed blood truly enough to save us?

The Bible says "yes" and I believe it

This post is exceptionally disturbing.
Do you what morality is?
Is so, how would you define it?
So if you think God’s people can violate basic morality and be in God’s good graces, how do not see that as immoral?
Do you think evil people should be rewarded and good people punished?
And please. Don’t say that the cross is offensive in regards to this again.

I mean, what do you make of Jude 1:4?

 

[amariselle]

My life is not the standard. God’s Word is the standard. It is true regardless of what different men do or don’t do.

Also, not all sin is the same.
See 1 John 5:16-16.

All sin is "the same" in that all sin is "mortal." The wages of sin is death, and he who offends in one point offends in all.

You didn't want to answer my questions, because you know full well that you still sin in your flesh, every single day. As do I, as do all believers.

As Paul said, "in my flesh dwells no good thing."

And this "flesh" will die or be instantly transformed.

Our only hope of salvation is Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.

You have not stopped sinning in your flesh, neither have I, neither did Paul or anyone else. Yet, we do not lose our salvation because it is Christ Who has saved us, it is His righteousness, not ours.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus was indeed revealing to people just how deep sin goes and how we are all guilty before God, deserving of death.

His solution, however, was not telling people they could or must earn their own salvation. Why do you think He died on that cross?

You keep saying earn salvation as if that is somehow what I believe. It is about abiding and not earning. Christ is the source of eternal life and we need to abide in Him for salvation. No Christ and there is no life; And if we abide in Christ, then we will not have the mind of sin but we will have the mind of Christ to do what is good and righteous.

 

[amariselle]

This post is exceptionally disturbing.
Do you what morality is?
Is so, how would you define it?
So if you think God’s people can violate basic morality and be in God’s good graces, how do not see that as immoral?
Do you think evil people should be rewarded and good people punished?
And please. Don’t say that the cross is offensive in regards to this again.

I mean, what do you make of Jude 1:4?

No one is "good" but God. We have all violated basic morality. Even one single lie is a violation. One failure to help a person in need. One episode of being unjustly angry with someone. One instance of gossiping or idle speech. One hour of being lazy and under productive.

Do you honestly think you're so much better than anyone else?

I do hope you come to realize that you are no better than the next person. The world has had enough of self-righteous hypocritical Christians. Believe me, I've had that same attitude myself, and it is nothing by arrogance and pride.

 

[amariselle]

You keep saying earn salvation as if that is somehow what I believe. It is about abiding and not earning. Christ is the source of eternal life and we need to abide in Him for salvation. No Christ and there is no life; And if we abide in Christ, then we will not have the mind of sin but we will have the mind of Christ to do what is good and righteous.

Abiding is "resting". The branch does not "abide" in the vine by working to be there.

We are "grafted in" by faith, not by works.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

All sin is "the same" in that all sin is "mortal." The wages of sin is death, and he who offends in one point offends in all.

Nope. 1 John 5:16-17 says there is a sin that does not lead unto death.

1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism does not save us in regards to the putting away of the filth of the flesh (i.e. sin).

You didn't want to answer my questions, because you know full well that you still sin in your flesh, every single day. As do I, as do all believers.

I will be happy to answer them later to show that you don’t know what your talking about. My statement was to show the truth. What truth? My life is not the standard, but God’s Word is. So if I live holy in this life or if I sin, God’s Word is still true in what says in how we are to live.

As Paul said, "in my flesh dwells no good thing."

Paul says this as a part of his experience as a Pharisee before he became a Christian.

And this "flesh" will die or be instantly transformed.

Our only hope of salvation is Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.

You have not stopped sinning in your flesh, neither have I, neither did Paul or anyone else. Yet, we do not lose our salvation because it is Christ Who has saved us, it is His righteousness, not ours.

The 144,000 were found without fault before the throne of God. Enoch was translated because he walked with God. This means he lived righteously.

 

[AGTG]

The Passion Translation, authored by Brian Simmons, has inserted these words into the mouth of Christ:

"For you reach into my heart. With one flash of your eyes I am undone by your love, my beloved, my equal, my bride. You leave me breathless-I am overcome by merely a glance from your worshiping eyes, for you have stolen my heart..." Song of Songs 4:9 (TPT)

Much can of course be said about interpreting Song of Songs/Solomon to be about Christ and the Church, but to even suggest, nevermind blatantly have Jesus call us His "equal", is beyond erroneous, it is heretical and even blasphemous. The worst of it is that, thanks to Brian Simmons and his "Passion Translation", people can now argue that mankind's equality with God is Biblical.

Honestly, I do not know how terrible the deception in the Church has to be before more people are willing to stand up and speak up to warn brothers and sisters in Christ.

The Passion Translation is used and promoted by Bethel Redding, (Bill Johnson) and by Georgian and Winnie Banov, and who knows how many others. It seems to be a favourite "translation" in the loosely organized but very broad and fast growing NAR.

I encourage all Christians to do their research on this.

Here are several screenshots from the Banov's Facebook page, where they repeatedly promote this heretical and blasphemous doctrine of equality with God.

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Unfortunately, very few are going to stand up against this. That's why it's gotten so bad, but I wonder how much longer this will go on. It's looking like the devil has the majority of self-proclaimed Christendom under wraps and now he is just focusing on making war against the legitimate saints who won't tolerate the delusion.