Atheism is reasonable, and Christianity is not

[Tom 1]

No.

It is impossible not to have faith if you are not omniscient. That is impossible by definition.

 

[HitchSlap]

As I understood it you started out this post saying that atheism is more reasonable because it doesn’t involve faith.

Yes.

You have faith that everything you know is sufficient to explain existence,

Never made this claim.

your own existence and that of everything else, and to understand what will continue to happen into the future - or do you believe something else?

Why are you telling me what you think I think? You're better off just asking a question.

 

[Tom 1]

Yes.

Never made this claim.

Why are you telling me what you think I think? You're better off just asking a question.

Do you believe it is possible for the universe and everything that we know to exist without God?

 

[HitchSlap]

It is impossible not to have faith if you are not omniscient. That is impossible by definition.

I know you tried explaining this earlier, and it came off as nonsense, so you'll have to trust me when I say this is wrong.

 

[Chriliman]

Because you can't prove the existence of god/s.



I know you'd like them to be countable, but in this analogy, you're unable to count them. Because you can't prove god/s exist.



Sure, if we could count them. But we can't. Because you can't prove god/s exist.




I know. And it's why I accused you of faulty logic. Because you can't prove god/s exist.

You can claim you think you know if it's odd or even, but you really don't know. It's only a guess.

Because you can't prove god/s exist.

Who God is and the question of his existence is proven through the personhood of Christ. I don't believe God is unprovable, just like I don't believe the gumballs are uncountable.

Besides, don't you think God would be capable of proving himself as he sees fit? And don't you think the maker of the gumball machine could know how many gumballs he put in it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Do you believe it is possible for the universe and everything that we know to exist without God?

Yes.

 

[HitchSlap]

Who God is and the question of his existence is proven through the personhood of Christ. I don't believe God is unprovable, just like I don't believe the gumballs are uncountable.

In your opinion, of course.

 

[Tom 1]

I know you tried explaining this earlier, and it came off as nonsense, so you'll have to trust me when I say this is wrong.

You’re avoiding the question. There are 3 possibilities:

1) You believe there is a god
2) You can provide absolute, incontrovertible proof of absolutely everything, there is nothing at all that you do not know and cannot prove
3) You believe that the things you think are true but can’t prove all of them. Hence, you have faith.

 

[Tom 1]

Yes.

Missed this one - well, there’s your faith

 

[Chriliman]

In your opinion, of course.

Opinion backed by reason

 

[HitchSlap]

You’re avoiding the question. There are 3 possibilities:

1) You believe there is a god
2) You can provide absolute, incontrovertible proof of absolutely everything, there is nothing at all that you do not know and cannot prove
3) You believe that the things you think are true but can’t prove all of them. Hence, you have faith.

Lol... this is word salad nonsense.

These are my three basal assumptions:
1. Reality exists.
2. We can know some things about reality.
3. Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities evaluate reality best.

 

[HitchSlap]

Opinion backed by reason

Without evidence, hence faith.

As I said earlier, you're free to believe there's an odd number if you want to. It's obvious you have your reasons.

 

[HitchSlap]

Missed this one - well, there’s your faith

In what?

 

[Tom 1]

Lol... this is word salad nonsense.

These are my three basal assumptions:
1. Reality exists.
2. We can know some things about reality.
3. Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities evaluate reality best.

But...you believe that the universe could exist without God, what is the basis of this faith?

 

[Tom 1]

Lol... this is word salad nonsense.

These are my three basal assumptions:
1. Reality exists.
2. We can know some things about reality.
3. Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities evaluate reality best.

You believe those things, and you also believe that you don’t need to know anything more, or believe anything more. Somehow, you have convinced yourself that these beliefs of yours are not beliefs, but knowledge

 

[HitchSlap]

But...you believe that the universe could exist without God, what is the basis of this faith?

It takes no faith to except something may exist without god and I may never know the answer as to it's existence.

 

[Tom 1]

It takes no faith to except something may exist without god and I may never know the answer as to it's existence.

Well, yes, it does, and very obviously so. You believe, without knowing, which is a way of defining belief, that it is possible for the universe to exist without God. This isn’t something that you have ‘accepted’, as if it is a concept with some independent existence of its own, it is something you have chosen to believe, whether you realise that or not. You have a faith system based on the belief that God is unnecessary.

 

[HitchSlap]

You believe those things, and you also believe that you don’t need to know anything more, or believe anything more. Somehow, you have convinced yourself that these beliefs of yours are not beliefs, but knowledge

Build your straw man as big as you need to. Just be sure to keep it away from open flames.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well, yes, it does, and very obviously so. You believe, without knowing, which is a way of defining belief, that it is possible for the universe to exist without God. This isn’t something that you have ‘accepted’, as if it is a concept with some independent existence of its own, it is something you have chosen to believe, whether you realise that or not. You have a faith system based on the belief that God is unnecessary.

It's a bit like not collecting stamps, is it?

 

[Chriliman]

Without evidence, hence faith.

As I said earlier, you're free to believe there's an odd number if you want to. It's obvious you have your reasons.

Why don't you think reason is evidence?