proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Jimmy D]

I ask you what DNA does. You are continuing to beat around the bush blowing smoke.

Maybe this will help.....

DNA is short for deoxyribonucleic acid.

DNA is a long thin molecule made up of something called nucleotides. There are four different types of nucleotides: adenine, thymine, cytosine, and guanine.

They are usually represented by their first letter:

A- adenine
T- thymine
C - cytosine
G - guanine

Holding the nucleotides together is a backbone made of phosphate and deoxyribose. The nucleotides are sometimes referred to as "bases".

Our bodies have around 210 different types of cells. Each cell does a different job to help our body to function. There are blood cells, bone cells, and cells that make our muscles.

Cells get their instructions on what do to from DNA. DNA acts sort of like a computer program. The cell is the computer or the hardware and the DNA is the program or code.

The DNA code is held by the different letters of the nucleotides. As the cell "reads" the instructions on the DNA the different letters represent instructions. Every three letters makes up a word called a codon. A string of codons may look like this:

ATC TGA GGA AAT GAC CAG

Even though there are only four different letters, DNA molecules are thousands of letters long. This allows for billions and billions of different combinations.

Within each string of DNA are sets of instructions called genes. A gene tells a cell how to make a specific protein. Proteins are used by the cell to perform certain functions, to grow, and to survive

Although DNA looks like very thin long strings under a microscope, it turns out that DNA has a specific shape. This shape is called a double helix. On the outside of the double helix is the backbone which holds the DNA together. There are two sets of backbones that twist together. Between the backbones are the nucleotides represented by the letters A, T, C, and G. A different nucleotide connects to each backbone and then connects to another nucleotide in the center.

Only certain sets of nucleotides can fit together. You can think of them like puzzle pieces: A only connects with T and G only connects with C.

Biology for Kids: DNA and Genes

If it shows we are not related to apes, why do you say we are?

I'm quoting your original assertion, do keep up. You asserted...

"DNA separates species, not links them...It will also show we are not related to apes."

To be related our DNA must be the same. As long as man can check the DNA of apes and man and identify which is which, DNA proves man and apes are not related.

So you keep saying, now please present your evidence. Remember, you said...

"A conclusion is not valid without some supporting evidence."

So let's have it.

 

[omega2xx]

I am glad you are glad.

I am also glad I am where I am now. For there is no stopping the mind that wants to explore, to learn, to see the world for what it is. And my mind has found a path that has led me far from my evangelical roots. I don't see how I could have ever wanted to stop what happened to me.

If you would read and understand the evidence I have already presented, you might already have joined me.

Let's start with the basics.

There is overwhelming evidence that the earth is billions of years old.

You need to do some research on the problems of radio-metric dating. The Bible does not give he age of the earth, so that is irrelevant to me. Do you have a scientific way that says God did not do it?

There is overwhelming evidence that multi-cellular life has been here for hundreds of millions of years.

Talk is cheap, present the evidence. Please include how life originated from lifeless elements.

There is overwhelming evidence that life began simple and incrementally became more like modern life as time progressed.

Talk is cheap, present the evidence.

There is overwhelming evidence that the mechanism by which new life was introduced on earth was through evolution from previous life forms.

Talk is cheap, present the evidence.

Oh dear. I used to be a Henry Morris style flood-geology young-earth creationist.

Things have changed.

Your mind may have changed but the evidenced has not.

I don't have a god, but if I was in the market for one I would look for one who did not make the fossil record look like things evolved over millions of years if that is not what happened.

You are behind the times. 2 of your best fossil experts, Gould and Mayr say basically the same thing. Her is how Mayr describes the fossil record; "Wherever we look at the living biota...discontinuities are overwhelming frequent...The discontinuities are even more striking in the fossil record. New species usually appear suddenly not connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates(P. 189 of his book "What Evoluti0n is.) On page 69 he says "the fossil record is woefully inadequate."

Gould's invention of "punctuated equilibrim " destroyed gradualism as evidence for the fossil record supporting evolution. If anything it supports "after their kind" which is proven thousands of time every day.

 

[Jimmy D]

The offspring can only inherit a characteristic in the gene pool of its parents. Pakicetrus doe snot have a gene for fins. Therefore none of it kids can have fins.

LOL.

What "gene for fins" does a seal have that a land based mammal doesn't?

 

[omega2xx]

Only identical twins have the same DNA. You can be related to someone without being an identical twin.

No one has the exact same DNA, but DNA will show if the persons are the same species and it will show they are not related to apes.

Ever hear of mutations? Mutations change DNA.

Ever see a mutation be responsible for a change of species? When a mutation affects the skin pigment resulting in albinoism, the offspring remains the exact same species as its parents. Can you present an example of what the mutation results in a change of species?

Actually we are cousins. At most, you are probably no further off than my fiftieth cousin. See https://io9.gizmodo.com/5791530/why-humans-all-much-more-related-than-you-think . Hi cousin.

If that is your cousin, we are not related.

Right, because we each have different DNA.

If we all came from 2 people 6000 years ago, why is our DNA so different?

it is not so different. Both of our DNA will prove we are the same species. It will also prove we are not apes or even related to them.

 

[bhsmte]

Opinions are a dime a dozen, present your evidence.

Irony

 

[omega2xx]

Maybe this will help.....

DNA is short for deoxyribonucleic acid.

DNA is a long thin molecule made up of something called nucleotides. There are four different types of nucleotides: adenine, thymine, cytosine, and guanine.

They are usually represented by their first letter:

A- adenine
T- thymine
C - cytosine
G - guanine

Holding the nucleotides together is a backbone made of phosphate and deoxyribose. The nucleotides are sometimes referred to as "bases".

Our bodies have around 210 different types of cells. Each cell does a different job to help our body to function. There are blood cells, bone cells, and cells that make our muscles.

Cells get their instructions on what do to from DNA. DNA acts sort of like a computer program. The cell is the computer or the hardware and the DNA is the program or code.

The DNA code is held by the different letters of the nucleotides. As the cell "reads" the instructions on the DNA the different letters represent instructions. Every three letters makes up a word called a codon. A string of codons may look like this:

ATC TGA GGA AAT GAC CAG

Even though there are only four different letters, DNA molecules are thousands of letters long. This allows for billions and billions of different combinations.

Within each string of DNA are sets of instructions called genes. A gene tells a cell how to make a specific protein. Proteins are used by the cell to perform certain functions, to grow, and to survive

Although DNA looks like very thin long strings under a microscope, it turns out that DNA has a specific shape. This shape is called a double helix. On the outside of the double helix is the backbone which holds the DNA together. There are two sets of backbones that twist together. Between the backbones are the nucleotides represented by the letters A, T, C, and G. A different nucleotide connects to each backbone and then connects to another nucleotide in the center.

Only certain sets of nucleotides can fit together. You can think of them like puzzle pieces: A only connects with T and G only connects with C.

Biology for Kids: DNA and Genes



I'm quoting your original assertion, do keep up. You asserted...

"DNA separates species, not links them...It will also show we are not related to apes."



So you keep saying, now please present your evidence. Remember, you said...

"A conclusion is not valid without some supporting evidence."

So let's have it.

You have said what DNA is, now say what it does?

 

[omega2xx]

LOL.

What "gene for fins" does a seal have that a land based mammal doesn't?

A gene for fins of course. When you see a land based animal be born with fins, get back to me.

 

[omega2xx]

Irony

What a brilliant response. It sure convinced me you know what you are talking about and you didn't even have to present any evidence. My usual comment is "you would if you could but you can't."

Now is your chance to expose your brilliant mind by posting some evidence for what you accept by faith alone.

 

[bhsmte]

What a brilliant response. It sure convinced me you know what you are talking about and you didn't even have to present any evidence. My usual comment is "you would if you could but you can't."

Now is your chance to expose your brilliant mind by posting some evidence for what you accept by faith alone.

I dont play pigeon chess in regards to well evidenced scientific theories. Others are doing quite well though and i am just enjoying the show, keep it up.

 

[omega2xx]

I dont play pigeon chess in regards to well evidenced scientific theories. Others are doing quite well though and i am just enjoying the show, keep it up.

So my usual comment, "you would if you could but you can't," rings true again. Thank you.

When you understand scientific evidence feel free to jump in and show me what it is.

 

[bhsmte]

So my usual comment, "you would if you could but you can't," rings true again. Thank you.

When you understand scientific evidence feel free to jump in and show me what it is.

Sure thing, thanks.

 

[Jimmy D]

A gene for fins of course. When you see a land based animal be born with fins, get back to me.

What gene for fins?

You do realize that we aren't talking about fins right? A seal does not have fins.

It sounds like you don't actually know anything about the genes that control the development and growth of limbs in mammals so how can you make any assertions about them?

You are making inane claims, based on ignorance of the topic and you expect to be taken seriously?

"A conclusion is not valid without some supporting evidence."

 

[Jimmy D]

You have said what DNA is, now say what it does?

The 4 letters of the DNA make up words or codons that are always three letters long. These 4 chemicals are repeated in different orders over and over again in each strand of DNA.

ATG CGT GGT CAG
These words make up sentences which the cells can understand. These sentences are called genes and are genetic codes. Each sentence tells the cells to make a special molecule called a protein that controls everything in the cell. The proteins help the cells to do their functions, to grow and to survive. The difference in these proteins is what makes two living things different from each other.

What is DNA and Where is it found? - Biology for Kids | Mocomi

 

[Jimmy D]

To be related our DNA must be the same. As long as man can check the DNA of apes and man and identify which is which, DNA proves man and apes are not related.

Can you present the evidence that proves this to be the case now please?

After all....

"A conclusion is not valid without some supporting evidence."

 

[pitabread]

When you can provided some scientific evidence for anything the TOE preaches, get back to me,

Nah. Look, if you were truly interested in scientific evidence for evolution, you'd be off reading it already. In this day and age with a world of information at our fingertips, there is no excuse for not being able to find what you seek. Especially with things like Google Scholar at your disposal.

But that's not what this is about; you're not looking to learn about the ToE. You're here to argue, just like the rest of us.

I've had these arguments and quite frankly, I find them boring. I'm not out to convince anyone to accept the ToE. You can accept it, reject it, look up whatever you want about it. That's your prerogative, not mine.

 

[xianghua]

Show me a watch embryo.

A cat comes from a cat embryo that comes from a cat zygote. In the earliest stages it looks nothing like a cat. As it adds cells, portions fold back on themselves, almost like origami. Small changes in the DNA cause folds with different timing and magnitude. So mutations make minor changes in the growth pattern, producing significant differences in the adult.

But a watch does not come from an embryo.

remember that we talking about ic systems. so its irrelevant if those objects have a self replicating system or not. even you as intelligent designer cant change a compass stepwise into a watch. so evolution is impossible as far as we know.

 

[xianghua]

In a billion years the descendants of cats might be very different from modern cats. If we saw them today, we would not think of calling them cats, even though they would be in the cat family.

so a cat will stay as a cat even after billion years? ok.

 

[xianghua]

You missed my entire point. Let me try again.

Animals have different structure for Cytochrome C coding, not because the codings needed to be different, but simply because that is the way it ended up. All the codings produce the same protein, Cytochrome C. The coding chosen by different groups of animals matches patterns expected by evolution. If you say the creator decided to always use the same basic structures (even though he had choices), why did he always use different codes for Cytochrome C coding (when he could have made them the same)? Evolution has an answer. The basic structures had to stay the same because they were set early and everything had to be based on that selection. The later decisions varied, simply because they were later and they could vary.

you probably missed this image :

as you can see- the cytochrome b phylogeny doesnt fit well with evolution.

 

[xianghua]

Then how would you explain transitional fossils? And many years of scientific discoveries in biology, paleontology, and many others that support evolution?

a transitional fossil? like this one?:

as you can see: transitional objects dont prove evolution rather then design.

(image from Ferrari Evolution)

 

[Jimmy D]

Then how would you explain transitional fossils? And many years of scientific discoveries in biology, paleontology, and many others that support evolution?

You're talking to someone who thinks man-made objects and living organisms are the same things - it is utterly pointless to try to reason with him, he's been posting that same thing for years.