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With support from Russian bots, Sean Hannity supporters smash Keurig machines in response to boycott

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And Hannity has a right to lob softball questions to make Moore look like the innocent victim... which he did.

Do you understand the difference between legal due process and conducting an interview? Apparently not. Further you are ignoring the statements Hannity made prior to conducting the interview, during which he made his case concerning the dangers of a society in which anyone can have their life destroyed based solely on an accusation as opposed to actual evidence of an actual crime.

I realize the world you want to live in is one where individuals you do not approve of can be disposed of easily, with nothing more than an accusation of whatever. But that isn't the world I want to live in.

Hannity's point was simple. Regardless of the charge, due process still applies.

I didn't think much of Moore's responses either, as I said elsewhere on these forums. However Hannity is not responsible for Moore's responses. Only infantile partisans wail that Hannity deserves to lose his job because he conducted an interview.
 
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Do you understand the difference between legal due process and conducting an interview? Apparently not.

Do you understand the difference between an interview and a fluff piece? Apparently not.


Further you are ignoring the statements Hannity made prior to conducting the interview, during which he made his case concerning the dangers of a society in which anyone can have their life destroyed based solely on an accusation as opposed to actual evidence of an actual crime.

So it was obvious from the get-go that his intention was to generate sympathy for Moore. A pity he failed... not a surprise, just a pity.

Perhaps if Moore were at all capable of generating sympathy, Hannity wouldn't have have set such a daunting task ahead of himself.


Hannity's point was simple. Regardless of the charge, due process still applies.

And in a court of law, it will. In the court of public opinion, which all public figures find themselves judged daily, not so much.

I didn't think much of Moore's responses either, as I said elsewhere on these forums. However Hannity is not responsible for Moore's responses. Only infantile partisans wail that Hannity deserves to lose his job because he conducted an interview.

He conducted an interview poorly. Big difference. As you just pointed out, he had his agenda -- and he failed.
 
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Reminds me of that scene in Straight Outta Compton when NWA is watching people burn their records and Eazy E says "They can do whatever they want with them. They bought them"

Yep, they are free to destroy their own personal property as much as they like. It's just funny they think that's a boycott, when the company has already got their money.
The funny thing, they'll want some coffee next week and feel ticked they broke they're machine... "Oh great, Black Friday sales! The newest Keurig model is on sale!" I think Keurig is going to see some extra buyers this year.

This is like people burning their season tickets of NFL jerseys, thanks for the money, enjoy your property.
 
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Do you understand the difference between an interview and a fluff piece? Apparently not.

Salon dot com characterized the interview as a fluff piece as well. Regardless, your characterization does not make it so. From the actual interview, quote:

"HANNITY: Well let me let me give the details. Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when you spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on several dates and it did not progress her words beyond kissing according to the Washington Post let's stay on her. Did that happen?"

Explain to all of us how asking the direct question did an event actually occur qualifies as a "fluff piece" question.

You are so intent on the destruction of both Moore and Hannity the pursuit of that goal inhibits your ability to engage in intellectual honesty. To illustrate this point, another quote from the Hannity interview:

"HANNITY: But do you remember ever going on a date with her? She said that you asked around out on the first of several dates but nothing progressed beyond kissing.

MOORE: I don't remember specific dates. I do not and I don't remember if it was that time or later. But I do not remember that."


The above represents exactly why I came to the conclusion following this interview Moore was finished. Hannity asked a very clear and precise question, did Moore remember going on a date with a seventeen year old girl. Moore responded he didn't recall any dates as if Hannity had asked for specifics on when this was supposed to have happened.

Answer this question with intellectual honesty. Who is to blame for Moore's response?

According to the lunatic left, in regard to the question Hannity should lose his sponsors, he should lose his show, FOX News should be removed from the airways. But none of those assertions rise above the level of being either blindly partisan or myopically absurd.

And speaking of blindly partisan:

So it was obvious from the get-go that his intention was to generate sympathy for Moore. A pity he failed... not a surprise, just a pity.

Again, if you would bother to account for Hannity's clear and easily understood rational for conducting the interview, you would be able to understand Hannity's sympathy was for the precept innocent until proven guilty. But I understand, to the lunatic left any Republican accused of any amoral or illegal act is immediately required to hang his head and disappear while any Democrat accused or even proven to have committed an amoral or illegal act is allowed to sneer at the camera, deliver a lie equivalent to "I did not have sex with that woman," and continue along as if nothing happened. What a crock.

Oh, wait, it gets worse:

Perhaps if Moore were at all capable of generating sympathy, Hannity wouldn't have have set such a daunting task ahead of himself.

And if liberals embraced reason as opposed to emotion, the mere fact it was a woman who leveled a charge would not be enough to prove the charge. But hey, who cares about the truth when you can whip people into a frenzy with the Two Minutes Hate?

And in a court of law, it will. In the court of public opinion, which all public figures find themselves judged daily, not so much.

The court of public opinion is reflected in the vote. Which is why Hillary lost, because in spite of what liberals told themselves she wasn't god after all.

He conducted an interview poorly.

In your opinion. Oh, and Salon dot com. But your opinion doesn't make it so.

Big difference. As you just pointed out, he had his agenda -- and he failed.

You are ignoring his agenda in favor of what you want the narrative to be.
 
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The funny thing, they'll want some coffee next week and feel ticked they broke they're machine... "Oh great, Black Friday sales! The newest Keurig model is on sale!" I think Keurig is going to see some extra buyers this year.

This is like people burning their season tickets of NFL jerseys, thanks for the money, enjoy your property.

Wish they'd just left them out by the curb. I'd have no shame in going along & picking 1 up. I was going to buy 1 for my girlfriend but dang, they are expensive.
 
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Well, duh. It shouldn't take anyone too much time to figure out that if the customer does not have a Keurig coffee maker, he won't be buying any Keurig coffee--and it's the sale of those little cups that makes Keurig most of its money. :rolleyes:

A lot of folks buy the coffee for the Keurigs from other brands. Do they get paid for the sells of the other brands, the ones that don't even say Keurig on the box? I think the impact would be pretty negligible to their bottom line.
 
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Salon dot com characterized the interview as a fluff piece as well. Regardless, your characterization does not make it so. From the actual interview, quote:

"HANNITY: Well let me let me give the details. Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when you spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on several dates and it did not progress her words beyond kissing according to the Washington Post let's stay on her. Did that happen?"

Explain to all of us how asking the direct question did an event actually occur qualifies as a "fluff piece" question.

Oooo... a single question. That certainly takes the place of context, doesn't it?

"HANNITY: But do you remember ever going on a date with her? She said that you asked around out on the first of several dates but nothing progressed beyond kissing.

MOORE: I don't remember specific dates. I do not and I don't remember if it was that time or later. But I do not remember that."

A second question -- which even you admit Moore bombed.

The above represents exactly why I came to the conclusion following this interview Moore was finished. Hannity asked a very clear and precise question, did Moore remember going on a date with a seventeen year old girl. Moore responded he didn't recall any dates as if Hannity had asked for specifics on when this was supposed to have happened.

Answer this question with intellectual honesty. Who is to blame for Moore's response?

Moore, of course.

Now answer this question with intellectual honesty: having seen Moore floundering on a basic question about a morally reprehensible scandal, would a responsible journalist have followed up, or let it slide?
 
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A second question -- which even you admit Moore bombed.

Moore's responses do not invalidate Hannity's questions. I am asserting two conditions. Hannity's interview was not a fluff piece, as you characterized it. Moore's responses were weak and only created the impression he was evasive. Logically both conditions can be true, and are.

Now answer this question with intellectual honesty: having seen Moore floundering on a basic question about a morally reprehensible scandal, would a responsible journalist have followed up, or let it slide?

You are tilting at windmills. Hannity's follow-up question, quote:

"HANNITY: But you know hard but you never dated her ever? Is that what you're saying?"

What did you want Hannity to do, roll his eyes and huff and puff like Rachael Maddow, or scream at him he was a liar like the two morons on Morning Joe? Hannity asked the questions which needed to be asked, and it is only the self-important nature of those who hate FOX News, Hannity, Trump, and/or everything Conservative/Republican which demands otherwise.
 
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Moore's responses do not invalidate Hannity's questions. I am asserting two conditions. Hannity's interview was not a fluff piece, as you characterized it. Moore's responses were weak and only created the impression he was evasive. Logically both conditions can be true, and are.

They can be true, and it's a matter of your opinion that they are.

But consider: by your own admission, you clearly saw Moore being evasive.

The question therefore becomes: did Hannity see it?

If he didn't, he's not very good at his job. If he did (and ignored it), then he's working a pro-Moore agenda.

Given the choice between Hannity being incompetent or (morally) complicit, many viewers chose to believe he was complicit.

...Seems like they didn't like what they saw, and (rightly) assumed that Keurig wouldn't like being associated with it.


You are tilting at windmills. Hannity's follow-up question, quote:

"HANNITY: But you know hard but you never dated her ever? Is that what you're saying?"

What did you want Hannity to do, roll his eyes and huff and puff like Rachael Maddow, or scream at him he was a liar like the two morons on Morning Joe? Hannity asked the questions which needed to be asked, and it is only the self-important nature of those who hate FOX News, Hannity, Trump, and/or everything Conservative/Republican which demands otherwise.

ONE follow up question, and even you don't have the stomach to post Moore's follow up evasion. You really want to make them all into victims, don't you?
 
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Excellent point. When I read people talk as though Hannity threw only softballs in Moore's direction, I wonder if they watched the show themselves (or just read the Daily Kos the next day).

Indeed, shortly after the interview, several of the Fox anchors who were on the show that day commented that they thought Moore was doomed as a result of his answers to Hannity's questions (and, honestly, I understood why they thought so, based on what I heard Roy Moore say).
 
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Excellent point. When I read people talk as though Hannity threw only softballs in Moore's direction, I wonder if they watched the show themselves (or just read the Daily Kos the next day).

Indeed, shortly after the interview, several of the Fox anchors who were on the show that day commented that they thought Moore was doomed as a result of his answers to Hannity's questions (and, honestly, I understood why they thought so, based on what I heard Roy Moore say).

Seems like everybody thought so. Hannity had his "David Frost" moment lined up to him, but missed it.

I'm willing to give Hannity the benefit of the doubt and say he simply wasn't sharp enough to see it; seems like a lot of other viewers weren't so generous.
 
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Sure, but that doesn't change anything.

How does it not change anything? If your point was that Keurig would still suffer from the tantrums of the folks who destroyed the machines they owned, on account of them not buying coffee for those machines from Keurig anymore, when lots had been buying their coffee from other brands.
 
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Well, duh. It shouldn't take anyone too much time to figure out that if the customer does not have a Keurig coffee maker, he won't be buying any Keurig coffee--and it's the sale of those little cups that makes Keurig most of its money. :rolleyes:
My gf had a keurig and we used the refillable basket thing. Wouldnt dream of buying a million little plastic single serves. Dumb.
 
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How does it not change anything? If your point was that Keurig would still suffer from the tantrums of the folks who destroyed the machines they owned, on account of them not buying coffee for those machines from Keurig anymore, when lots had been buying their coffee from other brands.
You don't know that the machine-destroyers are in that category of customers who buy their one-cup refills from other suppliers, and, like it or not, that is where Keurig makes most of its profits.
 
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