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So, I saw this post on another forum. It looks good. What's wrong with it? Besides about ninety five percent of it, I mean.

The question was "How do I put on the armor of god?"

His answer;

"I believe that the answer to this question, is by reckoning: reckoning on the efficacy of the sacrificial work of Christ. by faith.

- Christ is our girdle of truth, for He is the Truth..
- Christ is our helmet of salvation.
- Christ is our breastplate of righteousness.
- Christ is our shield of faith.
- Christ is the living Word, the sword of the Spirit.
- Christ is the armour covering our feet, for He is our peace.
- Christ is our covering of all prayer, for He is interceding on our behalf before the Father, as the Holy Spirit intercedes in prayer for us here.

* All is done, and being done for us, we just have to rest in the knowledge of that, by faith, and praise His Name!

We are His Workmanship!

* He keeps us, as with a garrison of soldiers, or with a circle of thorn bushes. In Christ, Who is the Head of ALL principality and power, might and dominion, we have nothing to fear from Satan or from demonic forces."
 

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So, I saw this post on another forum. It looks good. What's wrong with it? Besides about ninety five percent of it, I mean.

The question was "How do I put on the armor of god?"

His answer;

"I believe that the answer to this question, is by reckoning: reckoning on the efficacy of the sacrificial work of Christ. by faith.

- Christ is our girdle of truth, for He is the Truth..
- Christ is our helmet of salvation.
- Christ is our breastplate of righteousness.
- Christ is our shield of faith.
- Christ is the living Word, the sword of the Spirit.
- Christ is the armour covering our feet, for He is our peace.
- Christ is our covering of all prayer, for He is interceding on our behalf before the Father, as the Holy Spirit intercedes in prayer for us here.

* All is done, and being done for us, we just have to rest in the knowledge of that, by faith, and praise His Name!

We are His Workmanship!

* He keeps us, as with a garrison of soldiers, or with a circle of thorn bushes. In Christ, Who is the Head of ALL principality and power, might and dominion, we have nothing to fear from Satan or from demonic forces."

Maybe I've suddenly gone blind or wacko, but I see nothing wrong with this explanation of the armor of God.
 
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The first thing that jumped out at me was that we are to contribute to the working of Christ within us. IOW's we are His servants, His ambassadors, His coworkers for the Gospel it isn't enough to just rest, we are in a battle and it is a battle over our lives.

The rest we can talk about but I think the very first thing we have to understand is that even in putting on the armor of God we are doing something more than just resting.

Shall we talk about the rest or have I already been too bold?
 
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Maybe I've suddenly gone blind or wacko, but I see nothing wrong with this explanation of the armor of God.
Fear not! LOL You have neither gone blind nor wacko. As I said...It looks good. Its like a lot of churchy doctrine though. Looks good but pure poison.
 
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Fear not! LOL You have neither gone blind nor wacko. As I said...It looks good. Its like a lot of churchy doctrine though. Looks good but pure poison.

In what way? Please explain your view ;)
 
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The first thing that jumped out at me was that we are to contribute to the working of Christ within us. IOW's we are His servants, His ambassadors, His coworkers for the Gospel it isn't enough to just rest, we are in a battle and it is a battle over our lives.

The rest we can talk about but I think the very first thing we have to understand is that even in putting on the armor of God we are doing something more than just resting.

Shall we talk about the rest or have I already been too bold?
You cannot be too bold, in my opinion. Stand for the truth in love. Always. This is a good post. Continue if you will. Elaborate Elucidate.

The rest is ....Ready?.....Having done all to stand...Stand therefore!
 
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So, I saw this post on another forum. It looks good. What's wrong with it? Besides about ninety five percent of it, I mean.

The question was "How do I put on the armor of god?"

His answer;

"I believe that the answer to this question, is by reckoning: reckoning on the efficacy of the sacrificial work of Christ. by faith.

- Christ is our girdle of truth, for He is the Truth..
- Christ is our helmet of salvation.
- Christ is our breastplate of righteousness.
- Christ is our shield of faith.
- Christ is the living Word, the sword of the Spirit.
- Christ is the armour covering our feet, for He is our peace.
- Christ is our covering of all prayer, for He is interceding on our behalf before the Father, as the Holy Spirit intercedes in prayer for us here.

* All is done, and being done for us, we just have to rest in the knowledge of that, by faith, and praise His Name!

We are His Workmanship!

* He keeps us, as with a garrison of soldiers, or with a circle of thorn bushes. In Christ, Who is the Head of ALL principality and power, might and dominion, we have nothing to fear from Satan or from demonic forces."
The armor of God has only one weapon for us to use and that is the sword of the word of God. All the other pieces of armor are defensive ... ie: His righteousness not ours , His salvation that we can only get from Him , faith He gives to us etc. We have to assume (reckon) that they are there even tho it may not be obvious.
 
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The first thing that jumped out at me was that we are to contribute to the working of Christ within us. IOW's we are His servants, His ambassadors, His coworkers for the Gospel it isn't enough to just rest, we are in a battle and it is a battle over our lives.

The rest we can talk about but I think the very first thing we have to understand is that even in putting on the armor of God we are doing something more than just resting.

Shall we talk about the rest or have I already been too bold?
WE need to rest from even thinking about Christ if your to take it to that extreme. Inner work should not be considered the same as the outer work of the law. Inner work is part of the transformation while outer work is just someone trying to conform.
 
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I mean it sounds good and all. But the Word says "
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
CJB
Use all the armor and weaponry that God provides, so that you will be able to stand against the deceptive tactics of the Adversary.
NIV
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

God provideded it all. Providing though, does not equate with using it. The Word tells us to put it on. So if YOU do not put it on, it is not on automatically.


This is the armor of God.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
CLAIM AND WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS WALKING IN TRUTH

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
WALK IN LOVE IN PEACE

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
TAKING UP THE SHIELD OF FAITH (CANNOT BE DONE FOR YOU) AND ACTIVELY RESISTING THE ENEMY. (MEANS COMING AGAINST HIM)

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
AGAIN...RECEIVING OR TAKING SALVATION.

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

ACTIVELY PRAYING, DOING SPIRITUAL WARFARE ETC ACTIVELY WATCHING
 
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I get in a lot of trouble on the forums for speaking truth as I understand it from a deep study of scripture...I didn't want to cause the same trouble here if I wasn't answering the question you were asking.

Let's start with this...Where Christ is the source (God) of all these things it isn't just a matter of Christ...move on.

Let me explain by looking at the passage itself.

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.

First thing on the list is something we do...we "remain" in Him. My husband says all the time that all of us receive the HS upon salvation but not all of us are living in that Power. We have to give ourselves completely to God and Love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...could go into more but trying to keep it manageable.

11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

Now this one I truly love for two reasons, first because it involves standing firm against all the schemes of Satan which are meant to draw us into death through lies and deceptions and second because right now I am studying the schemes of Satan and how we can protect ourselves against each one. We are told we do not have to be unaware of his schemes and yet most in the church have no clue what those schemes are or how to do battle against them.

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


This is a whole sermon in itself...I know because my husband preached it..but look at this, we are in a battle not in a state of rest....IT's a battle for our soul and it is between God and Satan. We all too often forget that the battle we fight is spiritual which is important to the passage as we move through it...everything in context.


13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist,

Trying to make this as short as possible.. Stand firm is a command that is repeated many times in scripture we do so with the buckle of truth...Where it is true that Christ is truth it is also true that every word spoken by God is truth. In my schemes of Satan study I have already looked into how Satan wants to separate us from that truth. He does so in several ways but to make it as short as possible one way he does that is to separate us from the word of God. We combat that by 1. study of the word of God 2. memorizing the word of God and 3. by meditating on the word of God...of course this also means we need to obey that word but as I said I"m trying to give cliff note version here.


with the breastplate of righteousness in place,

Righteousness is interesting because it involves two things when we so often want to just see one. first, Christ's righteousness is applies to us...bravo..but the second is that we are responsible for living in the power of God to be without sin. That is the main purpose for the indwelling Holy Spirit. so this one is really two fold, 1. Christ's righteousness applied to us and 2. obedience through the indwelling power of the HS who equips us to live a sin free life. If we don't want to be free from sin we don't need the HS and since the HS is our guarantee of salvation it means that we have not been transformed into the new creation if our lives and desires are still lived out in sin.



15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.


Again, two things going on here....first, we need to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within us. We can't do that without study, testimony, truth, etc. IOW"s we are back to both scripture and HS but we also add to that growing and maturing in Christ and in our ever loving Him with all that we are. It is to always be prepared...I did a study once about being prepared and here is the thing, God equips us for every "GOOD WORK" that He has ordained for us to do. We are to be ready and willing and even "anxious" to do the good works that God has created us for.

The second aspect is that of peace and since God is the God of peace it is only through our confession and repentance that we can have and know His peace. IOW's we need to be in a constant state of reconciliation with God in order to have our feet readied for what is to come.



16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith,

Faith is another very interesting aspect of our worship and service to the King. Faith (cliff note version) means trust. I cannot even begin to explain how important trust is to our walk with God. In fact, when I studied "not testing/tempting God" I found that one way man has tempted God is with lack of faith/trust. So what we are really seeing here is that we need to set aside all of the worldly things that occupy our thoughts and time and focus instead of God and resting in His promises. No need to demand or "claim" them, they are promises and if we have the the belt of truth already then we simply trust that God has said it and therefore it is done. This goes against so much of the churches present understanding and our fleshly predispositions. We are wired to be concerned about where to find food, how to pay the bills, etc. but we are suppose to just trust God with these things because this is where the rest comes from, it's from allowing Him to carry our burdens and we simply fight the good fight set before us.

with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.

Flaming arrows...Satan is the accuser of the Brethren...as the accuser he will attack us with all kinds of lies and accusations that stir doubts and fears. It is when we put off these doubts and fears and put on the full armor of God complete with trust, study, mediating, memorizing, righteousness, good works, etc. that we will be able to with stand the attacks that are designed to pull us under.


17 Take the helmet of salvation

Of course none of this is possible without belief unto salvation which is a belief of the heart and not of the mind. IOWs we decide to believe and trust and live in the truth of Christ through personal relationship and constant yielding through humility and yielding to the power of the Holy Spirit within.


and the sword of the Spirit,which is the word of God.

Which brings us back to scripture and the importance of every word of God that is given for our instruction, correction, teaching, encouragement, etc. I love in this one the temptations of Christ. The first huge thing in the temptations of Christ is that God led Jesus to the wilderness to be tempted. God often takes us places we don't want to go but He is faithful and in that we need to trust. Next huge thing, Christ used scripture but not just scripture, scripture rightly understood and used because if you notice, Satan also used scripture to try to tempt Christ to sin.



18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

Prayer is a place of fellowship with God in fact, we are told we are the temple of God and that the temple is a place of Prayer. So we need to make sure we understand that prayer isn't a monologue of things we want but rather it is a conversation with the Living God in which we yield to His will. It is a place of open, brutal honesty that begins with humility. It is a place where we need to reside so that we do NOT sin (see Peter's betrayal) and it is a place of unity the likes of which we have a hard time grasping.

How is that for cliff note version?
 
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I mean it sounds good and all. But the Word says "
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
CJB
Use all the armor and weaponry that God provides, so that you will be able to stand against the deceptive tactics of the Adversary.
NIV
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

God provideded it all. Providing though, does not equate with using it. The Word tells us to put it on. So if YOU do not put it on, it is not on automatically.


This is the armor of God.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
CLAIM AND WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS WALKING IN TRUTH

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
WALK IN LOVE IN PEACE

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
TAKING UP THE SHIELD OF FAITH (CANNOT BE DONE FOR YOU) AND ACTIVELY RESISTING THE ENEMY. (MEANS COMING AGAINST HIM)

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
AGAIN...RECEIVING OR TAKING SALVATION.

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

ACTIVELY PRAYING, DOING SPIRITUAL WARFARE ETC ACTIVELY WATCHING
It seems to me that the putting on is reckoning that it is in place.
 
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WE need to rest from even thinking about Christ if your to take it to that extreme. Inner work should not be considered the same as the outer work of the law. Inner work is part of the transformation while outer work is just someone trying to conform.
I was pretty confident that my position was clearly talking about things like being servants of Christ, being His ambassadors, etc. Col. 1:24 gives us some insight into this very thing. Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church....Where Christ is our salvation His sacrifice is not complete without co workers to partake in the free gift. A partaking which is more than rest, in fact we are told that His yoke is light not that He does all the pulling but that He is the lead ox in our journey.
 
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I was pretty confident that my position was clearly talking about things like being servants of Christ, being His ambassadors, etc. Col. 1:24 gives us some insight into this very thing. Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church....Where Christ is our salvation His sacrifice is not complete without co workers to partake in the free gift. A partaking which is more than rest, in fact we are told that His yoke is light not that He does all the pulling but that He is the lead ox in our journey.
I didn't get that from the post but thanks for clarifying. That outer work is God prompted and not for our initiative. Just as the inner work is also God prompted. Else it's done in vain.
 
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I get in a lot of trouble on the forums for speaking truth as I understand it from a deep study of scripture...I didn't want to cause the same trouble here if I wasn't answering the question you were asking.

Let's start with this...Where Christ is the source (God) of all these things it isn't just a matter of Christ...move on.

Let me explain by looking at the passage itself.

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.

First thing on the list is something we do...we "remain" in Him. My husband says all the time that all of us receive the HS upon salvation but not all of us are living in that Power. We have to give ourselves completely to God and Love Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...could go into more but trying to keep it manageable.

11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

Now this one I truly love for two reasons, first because it involves standing firm against all the schemes of Satan which are meant to draw us into death through lies and deceptions and second because right now I am studying the schemes of Satan and how we can protect ourselves against each one. We are told we do not have to be unaware of his schemes and yet most in the church have no clue what those schemes are or how to do battle against them.

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


This is a whole sermon in itself...I know because my husband preached it..but look at this, we are in a battle not in a state of rest....IT's a battle for our soul and it is between God and Satan. We all too often forget that the battle we fight is spiritual which is important to the passage as we move through it...everything in context.


13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist,

Trying to make this as short as possible.. Stand firm is a command that is repeated many times in scripture we do so with the buckle of truth...Where it is true that Christ is truth it is also true that every word spoken by God is truth. In my schemes of Satan study I have already looked into how Satan wants to separate us from that truth. He does so in several ways but to make it as short as possible one way he does that is to separate us from the word of God. We combat that by 1. study of the word of God 2. memorizing the word of God and 3. by meditating on the word of God...of course this also means we need to obey that word but as I said I"m trying to give cliff note version here.


with the breastplate of righteousness in place,

Righteousness is interesting because it involves two things when we so often want to just see one. first, Christ's righteousness is applies to us...bravo..but the second is that we are responsible for living in the power of God to be without sin. That is the main purpose for the indwelling Holy Spirit. so this one is really two fold, 1. Christ's righteousness applied to us and 2. obedience through the indwelling power of the HS who equips us to live a sin free life. If we don't want to be free from sin we don't need the HS and since the HS is our guarantee of salvation it means that we have not been transformed into the new creation if our lives and desires are still lived out in sin.



15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.


Again, two things going on here....first, we need to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is within us. We can't do that without study, testimony, truth, etc. IOW"s we are back to both scripture and HS but we also add to that growing and maturing in Christ and in our ever loving Him with all that we are. It is to always be prepared...I did a study once about being prepared and here is the thing, God equips us for every "GOOD WORK" that He has ordained for us to do. We are to be ready and willing and even "anxious" to do the good works that God has created us for.

The second aspect is that of peace and since God is the God of peace it is only through our confession and repentance that we can have and know His peace. IOW's we need to be in a constant state of reconciliation with God in order to have our feet readied for what is to come.



16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith,

Faith is another very interesting aspect of our worship and service to the King. Faith (cliff note version) means trust. I cannot even begin to explain how important trust is to our walk with God. In fact, when I studied "not testing/tempting God" I found that one way man has tempted God is with lack of faith/trust. So what we are really seeing here is that we need to set aside all of the worldly things that occupy our thoughts and time and focus instead of God and resting in His promises. No need to demand or "claim" them, they are promises and if we have the the belt of truth already then we simply trust that God has said it and therefore it is done. This goes against so much of the churches present understanding and our fleshly predispositions. We are wired to be concerned about where to find food, how to pay the bills, etc. but we are suppose to just trust God with these things because this is where the rest comes from, it's from allowing Him to carry our burdens and we simply fight the good fight set before us.

with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.

Flaming arrows...Satan is the accuser of the Brethren...as the accuser he will attack us with all kinds of lies and accusations that stir doubts and fears. It is when we put off these doubts and fears and put on the full armor of God complete with trust, study, mediating, memorizing, righteousness, good works, etc. that we will be able to with stand the attacks that are designed to pull us under.


17 Take the helmet of salvation

Of course none of this is possible without belief unto salvation which is a belief of the heart and not of the mind. IOWs we decide to believe and trust and live in the truth of Christ through personal relationship and constant yielding through humility and yielding to the power of the Holy Spirit within.


and the sword of the Spirit,which is the word of God.

Which brings us back to scripture and the importance of every word of God that is given for our instruction, correction, teaching, encouragement, etc. I love in this one the temptations of Christ. The first huge thing in the temptations of Christ is that God led Jesus to the wilderness to be tempted. God often takes us places we don't want to go but He is faithful and in that we need to trust. Next huge thing, Christ used scripture but not just scripture, scripture rightly understood and used because if you notice, Satan also used scripture to try to tempt Christ to sin.



18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

Prayer is a place of fellowship with God in fact, we are told we are the temple of God and that the temple is a place of Prayer. So we need to make sure we understand that prayer isn't a monologue of things we want but rather it is a conversation with the Living God in which we yield to His will. It is a place of open, brutal honesty that begins with humility. It is a place where we need to reside so that we do NOT sin (see Peter's betrayal) and it is a place of unity the likes of which we have a hard time grasping.

How is that for cliff note version?
Good stuff!!!!!!!!!!! I love these short answers. LOL Never worry about being blunt with me, my friend. I've been banned several times because I speak my mind. And the weak ones cannot handle that. I'm a word weaver and typically I'm of the mind that a person speaks, if the listener has a problem with what is said, he must deal with it. You have a right to your speech, a right to voice your opinions. Do it. And I agree one hundred percent with your answer.
 
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Fear not! LOL You have neither gone blind nor wacko. As I said...It looks good. Its like a lot of churchy doctrine though. Looks good but pure poison.
We really need a disagree option on icons ... in what way do you see that as poison?
 
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I didn't get that from the post but thanks for clarifying. That outer work is God prompted and not for our initiative. Just as the inner work is also God prompted. Else it's done in vain.
People tend to overreact when they hear someone talking about putting forth effort in our relationship with Christ. Like any relationship we need to work at it but working at our relationship with Christ does NOT remove the salvation through grace for there is no relationship to work on if we don't first accept His free gift of Love.
 
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We really need a disagree option on icons ... in what way do you see that as poison?
The entire post is based on passivity. We cannot be passive in our walk with the Lord. For us, passivity is equal to surrender to the enemy.
 
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Good stuff!!!!!!!!!!! I love these short answers. LOL Never worry about being blunt with me, my friend. I've been banned several times because I speak my mind. And the weak ones cannot handle that. I'm a word weaver and typically I'm of the mind that a person speaks, if the listener has a problem with what is said, he must deal with it. You have a right to your speech, a right to voice your opinions. Do it. And I agree one hundred percent with your answer.
I actually needed that encouragement today....the last couple of years I have some very serious battles with satan and one such battle is over being told repeatedly to close my mouth because of people who cannot handle truth spoken in love and I mean things that others would be thrilled to hear I am told is evil and to be quiet. Thanks

The study of the schemes of Satan is amazing I recommend you do the study sometime.
 
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The entire post is based on passivity. We cannot be passive in our walk with the Lord. For us, passivity is equal to surrender to the enemy.
That's just for the armor. Do you put on armor to sit at the side of the road?
 
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