Why do animals do suffer?

[bangmegafan]

Kindly don't think I'm not strong believer of Jesus for these kind of questions

I'm strong in faith but I don't have anyone to ask these questions. That is why I'm asking in this platform

My questions:

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

 

[bangmegafan]

Sorry for thread title

It should be why do animals suffer

Request admins to correct that

 

[bangmegafan]

Kindly answer please

 

[brinny]

it is tragic.....the fall of man ushered in suffering and death, and it tragically includes sickness, suffering, and the decay and death of all of God's creatures and all of the earth.

Were you able to help or get some intervention or help for the dog?

 

[bangmegafan]

it is tragic.....the fall of man ushered in suffering and death, and it tragically includes sickness, suffering, and the decay and death of all of God's creatures and all of the earth.

Were you able to help or get some intervention or help for the dog?

Why man sin should suffer animals

I believe man sin should lead to suffering of men

Why animals are suffered for man sins

 

[bangmegafan]

it is tragic.....the fall of man ushered in suffering and death, and it tragically includes sickness, suffering, and the decay and death of all of God's creatures and all of the earth.

Were you able to help or get some intervention or help for the dog?

I'm in India , that autistic dog is street dog which is roaming on middle of roads beside vehicles.. this is very common here and have been observing since many years.. In India no one will bother about them. But my eyes are opened and really observed this only after seeing that specific dog very recently..but really I didn't understand what can I do to save that dog other than praying to God.. I'm sure God would have taken care of that one

 

[brinny]

I'm in India , that autistic dog is street dog which is roaming on middle of roads beside vehicles.. this is very common here and have been observing since many years.. In India no one will bother about them. But my eyes are opened and really observed this only after seeing that specific dog very recently..but really I didn't understand what can I do to save that dog other than praying to God.. I'm sure God would have taken care of that one

Are you involved in a church there in India?

 

[Dave Watchman]

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

I don't really know the answer, so I'm curious to find out like you are. Could it be that the animals are also living the curse and paying as we go for the sins of fallen man. Jesus died for our sin, so that WE might have life. But that doesn't fix this whole world. The penalty for sin IS death. The animals are here with this.

2. When Lord take care of every creature why do animals suffer

Not a sparrow will fall without God knowing about it. But when God's wrath breaks out, it falls on men AND their animals.

"Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals,​

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

This is a question that has come up many times. The Bible is quiet about it. But ALL of creation groans for the revealing of the sons of God. And God is going to restore ALL things. I have my own theories. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?

We know that God loves His Creation, he saw that the animals were good. He sat down with Adam while they named them all. And with God ALL things are possible. So I'm sure that He could reach back through time itself and get my Tiger cat back for me. And we can sit down and watch her chase around your autistic dog in an environment where nothing could ever hurt them again.

And these former times will never come to mind.

"Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"​

 

[Dave Watchman]

Isn't that evil that God projected the curse of beings who did nothing wrong? Especially because Adam and Eve didn't know any better?

No it's not evil. We can't say that. This is God's deal, we are just lucky to have a part of it. This just falls into the category of something we don't yet understand. God can visit the sins of the father on to the sons for the third and the fourth generation.’

When David defeated the Moabites he made them all lay down on the ground. Men, women and children. Then he counted them off in threes, sparing only every third person. Two thirds were killed but the nation lived on as a group and paid tribute to David.

God can resurrect, He can restoreth our souls, our lives. Our physical deaths are not as much a problem for God as they obviously are for us.

Adam and Eve knew what they were doing. They didn't just have a written Book like we do, they stood there face to face with the One who created them and it was made very clear to them on what He wanted them to do..

 

[Hank77]

But God knew that sin would enter into the world. Heck, the fact that God cursed Adam and Eve due to eating the fruit (again, when they didn't know any better) makes such actions seem evil.

I'm not against just punishment for a crime. I am highly against an entire race, let alone all creation, being punished for something that two ignorant people did that never would have happened if a tree hadn't been planted.

I doubt that there is a person who has ever lived, who has had a relationship with God like Adam had. Adam knew that he was doing what his loving creator specifically told him not to do, because something very bad would happen to him and Eve if he did.

 

[Hank77]

Why man sin should suffer animals

I believe man sin should lead to suffering of men

Why animals are suffered for man sins

God gave man dominion over the animals. What does this mean?

I believe that if I have dominion or authority over someone or something then I am responsible for their care. If I make a mess of things it is going to effect those in my care.

Man having dominion over the animals, makes man responsible for their suffering.

 

[CrystalDragon]

God gave man dominion over the animals. What does this mean?

I believe that if I have dominion or authority over someone or something then I am responsible for their care. If I make a mess of things it is going to effect those in my care.

Man having dominion over the animals, makes man responsible for their suffering.

But God technically having dominion over man makes God in turn responsible.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

1. Jesus died for our sins and we are healed with Jesus wonds. Then why do animals suffer when they can't commit any sin?

Please note that people are special because God made us in his image. What makes us special is that we have a soul that God's spirit can come into. Just because animals have life does not make them special. One could argue that plants are living and also suffer in this world. Again, they don't have souls.

3. Heaven and hell is only place for humans but not animals?

Heaven and hell is also a place for spirits; angels and demons. If Jesus did not die to save even the fallen angels, then I think animals even less important. This is God's plan and we can't judge it.

PS: I have posted this thread after seeing an autistic dog which is roaming on street without any purpose..It's going here and there.. My heart is broken after seeing that.. I cried unto God in my prayer to cure that dog

Animals were put here for us to rule over. We should certainly not be abusive towards them though, but God did give us the right to use them for food. This world is also of limited resources and some areas are more limited and more populated such that there are fewer resources to spread around. In those places, again the greater resources should be spent on people because people are more important than animals.

Please don't let your compassion for animals hinder any aspect of your spiritual well being.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

But God technically having dominion over man makes God in turn responsible.

If God sent his Son to suffer death for us, then we should not be so concerned about suffering in this world of people, animals or plants. It is to be expected. It will not be eliminated until Jesus comes again. Our purpose in this age is not to eliminate suffering, it is to hasten Jesus' second coming by spreading his word to all people.

 

[CrystalDragon]

If God sent his Son to suffer death for us, then we should not be so concerned about suffering in this world of people, animals or plants. It is to be expected. It will not be eliminated until Jesus comes again. Our purpose in this age is not to eliminate suffering, it is to hasten Jesus' second coming by spreading his word to all people.

It was assumed by the disciples and implied by Jesus that the second coming was going to happen within their lifetimes. It never did.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

But God technically having dominion over man makes God in turn responsible.

It was assumed by the disciples and implied by Jesus that the second coming was going to happen within their lifetimes. It never did.

Irrelevant to my argument. You hold God responsible for suffering in this world. I just told you that this suffering will continue until we hasten Jesus' second coming by fulfilling his command to spread his word to all people. Do you see that our delay in spreading God's word prolongs the coming of Jesus? We are responsible for the sin that started the suffering in this world and we are responsible for coming to a point where Jesus' command gets fulfilled. Then Jesus will come and all suffering will end for the saints.

This is why we pray, "Thy kingdom come". This is our responsibility. Don't go blaming someone else.

 

[Hank77]

But God technically having dominion over man makes God in turn responsible.

He gave us a will of our own and a brain the can reason about spiritual and moral things. God is not responsible when we mess up.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Isn't that evil that God projected the curse of beings who did nothing wrong?

No it's not evil. We can't say that.

Well, you can't say it, and I can't say it, but...read Isaiah 45:7. King James version says:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

ESV:

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things.

NIV:

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

Three possible definitions of evil are immediately available (via Merriam Webster, et al.):

1. morally reprehensible
   
2. causing discomfort or repulsion
   
3. causing harm

You wouldn't call an act of God evil, because you're thinking of the first definition, but the third definition does apply. It's a dangerous choice of words, to say the least. At the very worst, it smacks of a human standing in judgement of God.

My answer to the question is that a man in Paradise, a veritable Heaven, walked out the door into something halfway to Hell, and he took all of creation with him, because it belonged to him. God gave it to him. Once outside, he could not reenter, because he had soiled himself. While outside, he beget his children, and they beget their own, and now here we are, born outside of Paradise, but just outside of Hell. We're at the meeting place of life and death, the intersection of positive infinity and negative infinity. That's the problem to solve. Christ provided the solution, and a way back in.

 

[rockytopva]

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. - Matthew 10:29

Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? - Luke 12:6

The animals will not be forgotten before God.

 

[Rescued One]

God hasn't revealed answers to all our questions, but He knows everything and I trust His reasons. God is pleased when we show compassion to animals.