Prove that Trump is a Racist

[Yonny Costopoulis]

For reference of those in the thread who might not understand the term, the "Gish Gallop" is when someone argues by putting forth a ridiculous number of claims in quick succession, usually without giving much of an argument about why any of them should be persuasive. If the other party tries to take on one point the "Gish Galloper" will usually not do much to defend it, but instead will suggest that all the other points collectively make so strong of argument that it doesn't matter if that individual point is weak.

It's a dishonest technique because the only way to deal with it is to conclusively dismantle every claim in the huge list (and the galloper will always demand that you provide more evidence in disproving his statements than he did in presenting them) which will usually take more time than the opponent has. Even if the opponent does manage to dismantle a good chunk of the claim, the galloper can simply spew forth another long list of weak arguments and claim that the weight of all of these are enough to prove his point.

The best way to deal with the strategy is to have both parties agree to focus on one issue, and make that the main topic of the discussion. If the galloper is allowed to select the topic of focus, he will presumably pick the strongest one. As such, if the galloper complains that all of his other points are stronger when his chosen argument is dismantled, the galloper will look either incompetent or dishonest, since it raises the question of why he didn't pick a stronger point if he knew that he had stronger points.

Not Gish Gallop. Gish Gallop is for debate. At debate not time to respond to all point. Here all time you need to respond. So?

Is accurate list. Think some not like accurate list when so much facts.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

If this isn't a Gish Gallop then I've never seen one.

Maybe we could pick one piece of evidence from here that you feel is particularly strong and analyze it. Which would you suggest?

Not Gish Gallop. Gish Gallop is for debate. At debate not time to respond to all point. Here all time you need to respond. So?

Is accurate list. Think some not like accurate list when so much facts.

 

[Tree of Life]

Birther Movement.

While I agree it was somewhat ridiculous, in what way is this racist?

Say Nazi and KKK side have some "very fine people".

To my knowledge, Trump did not say this. He was saying that it wasn't just white supremacists who were protesting the removal of the monument, but others as well.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Donald Tump has been a racist all his life

The first time the president’s name appeared on the front page of the New York Times, more than 40 years ago. “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” read the headline of the A1 piece on Oct. 16, 1973, which pointed out how Richard Nixon’s Department of Justice had sued the Trump family’s real estate company in federal court over alleged violations of the Fair Housing Act.​

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’” the Times revealed. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” (Trump later settled with the government without accepting responsibility.)​

Over the next four decades, Trump burnished his reputation as a bigot: he was accused of ordering “all the black [employees] off the floor” of his Atlantic City casinos during his visits; claimed “laziness is a trait in blacks” and “not anything they can control”; requested Jews “in yarmulkes” replace his black accountants; told Bryan Gumbel that “a well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market”; demanded the death penalty for a group of black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a jogger in Central Park (and, despite their later exoneration with the use of DNA evidence, has continued to insist they are guilty); suggested a Native American tribe “don’t look like Indians to me”; mocked Chinese and Japanese trade negotiators by doing an impression of them in broken English; described undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists”; compared Syrian refugees to “snakes”; defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless Latino man as “very passionate” people “who love this country”; pledged to ban a quarter of humanity from entering the United States; proposed a database to track American Muslims that he himself refused to distinguish from the Nazi registration of German Jews; implied Jewish donors “want to control” politicians and are all sly negotiators; heaped praise on the “amazing reputation” of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has blamed America’s problems on a “Jewish mafia”; referred to a black supporter at a campaign rally as “my African-American”; suggested the grieving Muslim mother of a slain U.S. army officer “maybe … wasn’t allowed” to speak in public about her son; accused an American-born Hispanic judge of being “a Mexican”; retweeted anti-Semitic and anti-black memes, white supremacists, and even a quote from Benito Mussolini; kept a book of Hitler’s collected speeches next to his bed; declined to condemn both David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan; and spent five years leading a “birther” movementthat was bent on smearing and delegitimizing the first black president of the United States, who Trump also accused of being the founder of ISIS.​

Donald Trump Has Been a Racist All His Life — And He Isn’t Going to Change After Charlottesville

Anyone who has done media studies knows that 90% of what is reported in the media is opinion. Bias of facts is usually based on the personal views of the person who is doing the reporting. Editorials are purely the opinion of the writer and often has no relationships with fact. Anyone can write an editorial and not have to justify what they are saying because it is put forward as opinion. But the large proportion of readers will be led to think that the person who writes an editorial must know what he is talking about, when in fact, the person is giving the same opinionated views as their neighbor over the fence.

The bias of reporting and editorial depends on the political views of the top executives of the media organisation. If the top executives of a prominent Newspaper or television news network are politically opposed to Donald Trump, then content of their newspaper or television news reporting will be biased toward material that would Trump in a negative light, when the facts may reveal that there is quite another side of the story which has been ignored or suppressed. Of course, there is always political pressure from Washington on the chief executives of the media to report the way they want. They may say it is "for the good of the country" but in reality it is only for the "good" of their own political party and its policy to discredit any president or political leader who does not "toe their line". One example of this is a recent picture of Trump with his mother and father who are dressed in KKK robes. What does this suggest? That Trump is a KKK supporter? But that picture was either taken many years ago, or has been photoshopped to make it appear that way. The facts may reveal that Trump's parents may no longer be KKK supporters and that Trump never was. But that side of the story is suppressed to maintain the view that Trump's racist views disqualifies him from the role of President.

 

[Allandavid]

Another accusation. Any evidence to discuss?

Sure..

His policy of not renting to blacks and having to be made to conform to rental by-laws.

His reference to that judge not being fair because he was of Latino background.

His condescending comments about blacks having it too easy.

His comments about blacks being lazy.

His dog whistle comments last weekend.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

While I agree it was somewhat ridiculous, in what way is this racist?



To my knowledge, Trump did not say this. He was saying that it wasn't just white supremacists who were protesting the removal of the monument, but others as well.

What is standard for racist? Birther Movement is racist to many. But what you require?

Trump say Nazi and KKK side have some "very fine people" make it very clear what Trump think of races. Trump did say - 5:45 Minutes

 

[Allandavid]

While I agree it was somewhat ridiculous, in what way is this racist?



To my knowledge, Trump did not say this. He was saying that it wasn't just white supremacists who were protesting the removal of the monument, but others as well.

Rubbish. Where were those people? What colour torches were they carrying...?

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

While I agree it was somewhat ridiculous, in what way is this racist?



To my knowledge, Trump did not say this. He was saying that it wasn't just white supremacists who were protesting the removal of the monument, but others as well.

Was march chanting Nazi slogan was march carrying Nazi flag was march carrying KKK flag was march carrying KKK torch. NOBODY join this Nazi and KKK march who is "very fine people". Very fine people go other way. Racist join KKK and Nazi march.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Make simple. From google:

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Is many cases given of Trump show discrimination in thread. Trump is racist. Is proven so many time is called "Gish Gallop"! Whole business council quit from Trump comment!

 

[szechuan]

What kind of president equates a Confederate General to George Washington?

Oh right... Donald Trump.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

While I agree it was somewhat ridiculous, in what way is this racist?

To my knowledge, Trump did not say this. He was saying that it wasn't just white supremacists who were protesting the removal of the monument, but others as well.

Trump make no mistake about Nazi and KKK side have "some very fine people". He saying in private for long time -

Trump Gives White Supremacists an Unequivocal Boost

"No word in the Trump lexicon is as tread-worn as “unprecedented.” But members of the president’s staff, stunned and disheartened, said they never expected to hear such a voluble articulation of opinions that the president had long expressed in private"

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Anyone who has done media studies knows that 90% of what is reported in the media is opinion. Bias of facts is usually based on the personal views of the person who is doing the reporting. Editorials are purely the opinion of the writer and often has no relationships with fact. Anyone can write an editorial and not have to justify what they are saying because it is put forward as opinion. But the large proportion of readers will be led to think that the person who writes an editorial must know what he is talking about, when in fact, the person is giving the same opinionated views as their neighbor over the fence.

The bias of reporting and editorial depends on the political views of the top executives of the media organisation. If the top executives of a prominent Newspaper or television news network are politically opposed to Donald Trump, then content of their newspaper or television news reporting will be biased toward material that would Trump in a negative light, when the facts may reveal that there is quite another side of the story which has been ignored or suppressed. Of course, there is always political pressure from Washington on the chief executives of the media to report the way they want. They may say it is "for the good of the country" but in reality it is only for the "good" of their own political party and its policy to discredit any president or political leader who does not "toe their line". One example of this is a recent picture of Trump with his mother and father who are dressed in KKK robes. What does this suggest? That Trump is a KKK supporter? But that picture was either taken many years ago, or has been photoshopped to make it appear that way. The facts may reveal that Trump's parents may no longer be KKK supporters and that Trump never was. But that side of the story is suppressed to maintain the view that Trump's racist views disqualifies him from the role of President.

Post #69 please.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Post #69 please.

The point is that the only information you have is from the media and by all accounts it is biased against Trump, so I take most of it with a pinch of salt.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

The point is that the only information you have is from the media and by all accounts it is biased against Trump, so I take most of it with a pinch of salt.

Yes. Only way you can hear is media. So nothing ever true unless you want true. Make own reality.

I want reality. Use reliable source and definition to say Trump racist.

 

[Allandavid]

The point is that the only information you have is from the media and by all accounts it is biased against Trump, so I take most of it with a pinch of salt.

And where Trump's own words are quoted...??

 

[camille70]

And where Trump's own words are quoted...??

I've seen his supporters comment on his videos and interviews on social media and claim media bias and manipulation for simply showing Trump unedited and unfiltered. "They're taking him out of context." They asked a question and he answered it, how is that out of context? "They just want to make him look bad. They never show the good stuff." The media focuses on what he puts on display. If he talked policy, they'd focus on policy. Instead he is insulting folks and making accusations on twitter.

The depths of denial is scary. There is no critical thinking on display. I don't understand how they can go through life and make sound decisions if they can't examine evidence and draw conclusions. I often wonder what line of work they are in and hope they are never selected to serve on a jury.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

And where Trump's own words are quoted...??

Even a person's own words can be quoted and twisted out of their context to mean something different to what was intended. It's like quoting a Scripture out of context. The best way to interpret a verse of Scripture is to start 10 verses before and continue reading 10 verses after.

It is one thing to take a phrase of someone's speech and say what is meant by it, but the whole meaning and intent may be quite different when 10 sentences before the phrase and 10 sentences after the phrase are heard or read.

 

[KCfromNC]

Anyone who has done media studies knows that 90% of what is reported in the media is opinion.

Even direct quotes from Trump himself?

 

[Jenny_8675309]

Even direct quotes from Trump himself?

Especially them!

 

[KCfromNC]

Even a person's own words can be quoted and twisted out of their context to mean something different to what was intended. It's like quoting a Scripture out of context.

Go ahead and pick some of the quotes out of the linked articles and explain them in context. This should be entertaining.