[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[listed]

Maybe you need to look again it is right in front of you (you quoted the Greek above from the concordance and lexicon of the word “rest” used in Hebrews 4:9

Hebrews 4:9, There remaineth therefore a “rest” to the people of God. The word “rest” used here means a keeping of a Sabbath. The NAS version of the bible actually translates Hebrews 4:9 as; “There remaineth therefore a [Sabbath] rest (4520) to the people of God.”

In Christ Always!

Maybe you should focus on the context instead of picking out a select word.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thanks for sharing your testimony Stuart and nice talking to you all.

It is late my end so I thought this may be the last post for me before calling it a night (my end). I thought I would share my testimony as well and leave you guys with a few thoughts.

This is my testimony.

When I first started reading God's Word, I believed that I needed to keep God's Law (10 commandments) for my salvation accepting the death and life of Jesus. I was very exacting in what I believed at the time and tried to be very strict in my observance to obey God's Law. I found after some time that the harder I tried the more I saw myself as a sinner going through a cycle of sinning, confessing and repenting the same old sins, until I was ready to give up in discouragement. I also saw myself on the inside. Sometimes I was outwardly never breaking God's Laws but in my thinking it was not a very nice place to be at all. Where was this love I was suppose to have for others. I knew deep down inside that I did not really love people like Jesus wanted me to.

What now? Reading God's Word Jesus is telling me even if I look on a woman to lust I have already committed adultery applying God's Law to my very thoughts? Ok here I lost all hope..... condemned as a sinner....... All my righteousness now was as it is plainly to be seen, filthy rags. I have finally given up all hope of trying to keep God's Law. There is finally nothing that I can do to save myself.

It was at this place for the very first time in my life I met Jesus. I could finally see that it was he who died on the cross for my sins and that I was the chiefest of sinners of whom Christ had come to save! I knew for the very first time in my life that Jesus had come into the world not to save the righteous but bring sinners to repentance. Before I was righteous (in my own eyes) but now I can see myself just how God sees me, sick with sin in need of a Savoir. The Law of God was my schoolmaster that brought me to the cross to meet Jesus for the first time. Here I was at the cross, all undone my complete dependence was no longer on what I could do, but was only on what God's Word says it would do. For the first time I had complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it would do and that Jesus was holding out His free gift of salvation to me all he wanted me to do was to believe His Word and it was mine. I saw for the very first time that I love Him because He first loved me.

Now I walk with him. His commandments that brought me to him are no longer his commandments. They are his promises and as I received Jesus I live in Jesus, by faith in his Word to do what it says it will do. Now I obey and follow him because I love him. He has made me free in Him and given me power to walk with him in newness of life. Now I follow the God of creation by faith and dependence on the Word only to do what it says it will do. I love Jesus and His Word. His Words are spirit and they are life! I worship Jesus everyday. I follow His Word by faith and it is he that works in my as I believe His Word. For the very first time I am free in Him, He changes me day by day as I believe His Word.

A counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.

The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Savior and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of Gods Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God, that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)

In Christ Always and good night all!

Biblically speaking, you will not overcome sin by believing being in a saved state hinges on obeying the TC
I answered your question. Yes, a person can be in a saved state while knowingly breaking the TC. Knowing that brought victory in my life.
To love others you must practice what you preach
I repeat. Biblically speaking, looking to the written code does not bring victory over sin

 

[CDF47]

What things and what does it mean to obey God? 1 John 3:23

Love God and neighbor.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Love God and neighbor.

Which makes redundant the need to say:
You must obey the TC
You must obey the TC
You must obey.......
Etc, etc

 

[stuart lawrence]

Obedience comes from faith( rom1:5)
The law is not based on faith( gal3:12)

 

[BNR32FAN]

[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

I think it depends on your definition of the sabbath. Some people say it's Saturday but the bible never said that God chose Saturday. It was Moses who chose Saturday. God only commanded that we have 6 days to work and we should rest on the 7th day. But He didn't say the 7th day of the week. Calendars weren't created until thousands of years after creation so we have no way of knowing if God rested on what we call Saturday. I think as long as we set aside at least one day in honor of God we are keeping the sabbath.

 

[CDF47]

Thanks for sharing your testimony Stuart and nice talking to you all.

It is late my end so I thought this may be the last post for me before calling it a night (my end). I thought I would share my testimony as well and leave you guys with a few thoughts.

This is my testimony.

When I first started reading God's Word, I believed that I needed to keep God's Law (10 commandments) for my salvation accepting the death and life of Jesus. I was very exacting in what I believed at the time and tried to be very strict in my observance to obey God's Law. I found after some time that the harder I tried the more I saw myself as a sinner going through a cycle of sinning, confessing and repenting the same old sins, until I was ready to give up in discouragement. I also saw myself on the inside. Sometimes I was outwardly never breaking God's Laws but in my thinking it was not a very nice place to be at all. Where was this love I was suppose to have for others. I knew deep down inside that I did not really love people like Jesus wanted me to.

What now? Reading God's Word Jesus is telling me even if I look on a woman to lust I have already committed adultery applying God's Law to my very thoughts? Ok here I lost all hope..... condemned as a sinner....... All my righteousness now was as it is plainly to be seen, filthy rags. I have finally given up all hope of trying to keep God's Law. There is finally nothing that I can do to save myself.

It was at this place for the very first time in my life I met Jesus. I could finally see that it was he who died on the cross for my sins and that I was the chiefest of sinners of whom Christ had come to save! I knew for the very first time in my life that Jesus had come into the world not to save the righteous but bring sinners to repentance. Before I was righteous (in my own eyes) but now I can see myself just how God sees me, sick with sin in need of a Savoir. The Law of God was my schoolmaster that brought me to the cross to meet Jesus for the first time. Here I was at the cross, all undone my complete dependence was no longer on what I could do, but was only on what God's Word says it would do. For the first time I had complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it would do and that Jesus was holding out His free gift of salvation to me all he wanted me to do was to believe His Word and it was mine. I saw for the very first time that I love Him because He first loved me.

Now I walk with him. His commandments that brought me to him are no longer his commandments. They are his promises and as I received Jesus I live in Jesus, by faith in his Word to do what it says it will do. Now I obey and follow him because I love him. He has made me free in Him and given me power to walk with him in newness of life. Now I follow the God of creation by faith and dependence on the Word only to do what it says it will do. I love Jesus and His Word. His Words are spirit and they are life! I worship Jesus everyday. I follow His Word by faith and it is he that works in my as I believe His Word. For the very first time I am free in Him, He changes me day by day as I believe His Word.

A counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.

The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Savior and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of Gods Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God, that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)

In Christ Always and good night all!

Thanks for the testimony. God Bless and good night!

 

[CDF47]

Obedience comes from faith( rom1:5)
The law is not based on faith( gal3:12)

I agree.

 

[CDF47]

I think it depends on your definition of the sabbath. Some people say it's Saturday but the bible never said that God chose Saturday. It was Moses who chose Saturday. God only commanded that we have 6 days to work and we should rest on the 7th day. But He didn't say the 7th day of the week. Calendars weren't created until thousands of years after creation so we have no way of knowing if God rested on what we call Saturday. I think as long as we set aside at least one day in honor of God we are keeping the sabbath.

I am actually referring to Friday sundown to Saturday sundown as the 7th day of the week for the Sabbath.

 

[stuart lawrence]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6

NOT compatible with repeatedly stating:

You must obey the TC
You must obey the TC
You must obey the TC
Etc, etc

 

[CDF47]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6

NOT compatible with repeatedly stating:

You must obey the TC
You must obey the TC
You must obey the TC
Etc, etc

If you don't mind me asking, do you rest and keep holy the Sabbath day (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown)?

 

[stuart lawrence]

In fact, to claim you cannot be in a saved state if you knowingly breaking the TC contradicts Pauls core message all over the place

 

[BNR32FAN]

I am actually referring to Friday sundown to Saturday sundown as the 7th day of the week for the Sabbath.

Based on exodus 20:8-10 I would say it is not required to hold to that understanding of the sabbath.

““Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the Lord your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-10‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you don't mind me asking, do you rest and keep holy the Sabbath day (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown)?

Nope. And I have no conciousness I sin by not doing so/ observing a set Saturday sabbath
So as I repeatedly told you yesterday. Either God did not write that law in my mind and place it on my heart according to your u derstanding if it's wording, or if he does place it within the Christian, I cannot be a Christian/ in a saved state!

 

[CDF47]

Based on exodus 20:8-10 I would say it is not required to hold to that understanding of the sabbath.

““Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the Lord your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-10‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Rest on the 7th day is clear there. For the Hebrews at that time it was from what we now consider Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you don't mind me asking, do you rest and keep holy the Sabbath day (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown)?

Now let me ask you something. HOW did you come to the conclusion you must observe a set Saturday sabbath?

 

[CDF47]

Nope. And I have no conciousness I sin by not doing so/ observing a set Saturday sabbath
So as I repeatedly told you yesterday. Either Go did not write that law in my mind and place it on my heart, or if he does place it within the Christian, I cannot be a Christian/ in a saved state!

It appears to me that you are a saved Christian and that you truly believe in Jesus as you Savior through faith.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Rest on the 7th day is clear there. For the Hebrews at that time it was from what we now consider Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

No that was a bad translation sorry. I use NLT a lot and I'm at work so I was trying to hurry in my reply. No God never commanded the 7th day of the week.

“Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:9-10‬ ‭ASV‬‬
Exodus 20:9-10; Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

 

[CDF47]

Now let me ask you something. HOW did you come to the conclusion you must observe a set Saturday sabbath?

I never said must obey this Commandment. I said should obey this Commandment as is worded in the poll question.

I based this on the 4th Commandment of the 7th day rest. The seventh day based on my research is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

The Lord says if you love me keep my commandments. I love the LORD so I want to obey His commandments. His commandments are to love God and neighbor (including enemies). The Moral Law or the Ten Commandments derive from these two greatest commandments. Hence, I try to follow these Commandments, as I think I should, because I love God with all my heart, all my mind, all my soul, and all my will and I love my neighbor as myself.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It appears to me that you are a saved Christian and that you truly believe in Jesus as you Savior through faith.

That's nice of you to say so.

There is only one way you and I can both be in a saved state with our views.
In rom ch14:1 Paul speaks of what he termed disputable matters. In other words you can take whichever view you like.
One disputable matter was whether all food is clean. The other:

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5