What do we do with North Korea?

[mark46]

We seem likely to respond to the next NK test by shooting down the missile(s). This is a major step for the US.

Also, two sets of sanctions have been passed this month (UN and US). The president has the option of doing even more (such as adding more Chinese banks to this list), and pressuring China to comply with the UN sanctions.

 

[SkyWriting]

Or we could surrender the USA to North Korea.
Allow Kim Jong Un to become the USA's new leader.
Give up the Western way of life.
Bow down to any other wish of that communist country that enslaves its people.

Some people will never be satisfied with power and will always want more.
Never being satisfied, even though he rules a nation, won't be happy until he rules the world.

Not likely. Most people just want a friend.
According to his school mates, he was an
average kid.

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

I don't know. We are dealing with an irrational NK leader.

When two angry men with guns get into a shouting match, it can have an unhappy ending. There is no easy way for either to back down while saving face. The first rule of hostage negotiation is to calm the situation and give the perpetrator space to back down while saving face. Trump is not doing that.

I know. This is the picture painted by your media, and you sincerely believe it. The truth of the matter is, DPRK started their weapon program ONLY due to the ongoing external threat for 67 years. To them, it's a matter of survival. And that thread isn't virtual, but very practical and real. It's a war. The only good DPRK for the superpower of today is the dead DPRK. Why? Because it's alternative ideology, billions times more powerful than the current world order.

 

[doubtingmerle]

As far as "The Solution", I can't say. Perhaps a covert operation that takes out the leadership while at the same time taking control of the military, or at least the missile launch sites in order to prevent a retaliation. Beyond that, I don't see how any military action from us that's preemtive wouldn't result in retaliation--either nuclear against us and other countries, or a conventional attack against South Korea.

Ah, a pre-emptive assassination and covert operation attacking the retalitory capability. Sorry, but I think this would bring massive devastation of American interests. Korea has over 5000 tanks, 6000 artillary units, and 2400 rocket launchers. If you tried to take them out one at a time with a covert operation, they would surely reign fire on American interests and allies. I cannot see how this is a good solution.

See 2017 North Korea Military Strength .

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah, a pre-emptive assassination and covert operation attacking the retalitory capability. Sorry, but I think this would bring massive devastation of American interests. Korea has over 5000 tanks, 6000 artillary units, and 2400 rocket launchers. If you tried to take them out one at a time with a covert operation, they would surely reign fire on American interests and allies. I cannot see how this is a good solution.

See 2017 North Korea Military Strength .

Not one at a time, but rather take control of the military leadership itself. Perhaps they don't like serving under Kim Jong Il and would surrender easily just as Saddam Hussein's did in Iraq. If we had spies that have infiltrated the NK military, then we'd have a good sense of whether this is true or not.

 

[doubtingmerle]

The only good DPRK for the superpower of today is the dead DPRK. Why? Because it's alternative ideology, billions times more powerful than the current world order.

And how do you propose that we kill the DPRK? Pre-emptive nuclear attack?

 

[Aldebaran]

Not likely. Most people just want a friend.
According to his school mates, he was an
average kid.

Yeah, I know. When I was in school, I just wanted friends too. But when I became an adult, I discovered that the best way to actually make friends is NOT to develop nuclear weapons and threaten to kill millions of people.
Perhaps he just needs a good spanking?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Not one at a time, but rather take control of the military leadership itself. Perhaps they don't like serving under Kim Jong Il and would surrender easily just as Saddam Hussein's did in Iraq. If we had spies that have infiltrated the NK military, then we'd have a good sense of whether this is true or not.

Interesting solution, but from all I hear, the North Koreans worship the Dear Leader almost like a god. I can hardly imagine the North Korean military leaders treating us as liberators if we somehow killed off their leaders and announced that we were in charge.

 

[RDKirk]

Weev tried #4 for 60 years....doesnt work

Maybe we shud get fat boy and trump on a sumu wrestling mach
Loser goes home.......

We've tried assassinations, surgical strikes, and general warfare in other instances and those haven't been successful. Nothing different about North Korea to think they'd be successful there either.

We had just gotten Russia and China--finally, after 60 years--to agree to join in with sanctions.

With utter predictability, Kim Jong Un made a shrill reply to those sanctions. President Trump should have simply ignored him and let the sanctions work operate.

 

[Aldebaran]

Interesting solution, but from all I hear, the North Koreans worship the Dear Leader almost like a god. I can hardly imagine the North Korean military leaders treating us as liberators if we somehow killed off their leaders and announced that we were in charge.

I've seen those videos where they worship him. I've also seen the ones where they wept over his father when he died (Kim Jong Il). Those people were obviously not there willingly. They are doing it out of fear that if they don't show "love" for their leader, they'd face punishment. In a country where even foreigners are imprisoned for stealing a poster, and then are sent back home in a coma, people will show admiration and worship for their leaders, even though they wish he was gone.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Yeah, I know. When I was in school, I just wanted friends too. But when I became an adult, I discovered that the best way to actually make friends is NOT to develop nuclear weapons and threaten to kill millions of people.
Perhaps he just needs a good spanking?

A spanking?!?

Are you referring to a literal spanking like this?

And if we did it figuratively, what would that be like, and what would be the likely result?

 

[RDKirk]

Not one at a time, but rather take control of the military leadership itself. Perhaps they don't like serving under Kim Jong Il and would surrender easily just as Saddam Hussein's did in Iraq.

Except the Iraqi leaders didn't surrender, they "melted away." They have their own true sides that they continue to be loyal toward.

If we had spies that have infiltrated the NK military, then we'd have a good sense of whether this is true or not.

LOL. Just LOL.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

When two angry men with guns get into a shouting match, it can have an unhappy ending.

It's amazing the amount of lack of support for our president who happens to be the one who protects us.

I do not see Trump as an angry man.

M-Bob

 

[doubtingmerle]

It's amazing the amount of lack of support for our president who happens to be the one who protects us.

I do not see Trump as an angry man.

M-Bob

I do not see our president as a rational man.

I fear that he will undertake an irrational act, that could lead to global conflict. It is really quite sad.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I do not see our president as a rational man.

I fear that he will undertake an irrational act, that could lead to global conflict. It is really quite sad.

If that is what you think to be the case, I guess prayers would be in order for mr. Trump.
M-Bob

 

[Aldebaran]

Except the Iraqi leaders didn't surrender, they "melted away." They have their own true sides that they continue to be loyal toward.

There were plenty that surrendered when we showed up there. Remember how the tank commanders were told to turn their turrets in the opposite direction and toward the ground to signal their surrender? Sure, not all of them did, but an overwhelming number of them did.

 

[football5680]

Slap sanctions on them and then simply ignore them. They are not a legitimate threat even though they would like to make themselves out to be one. If a war happened, their country would be completely destroyed and China has already said that they would not support them.

 

[havevisions]

We should all pray for the best solution. Several have a solution, but what is best (from the standpoint of saving the most lives)?

We pray that nothing happens. For example, suppose Kim Un sent a missile 40 or 50 miles from Guam and they landed in the ocean. He would then call Trump and say: "See, I am a more moral man than Americans. I could have hit the island and killed many, but unlike Americans who bombed Nagasaki, I chose a target miles away, and no damage was done. Trump would then compliment him and say he was a good leader, like he did to Putin, and then he would say "Neither will I retaliate" because of shame if he did, because he respects a leader who makes good decisions.

Sounds far-fetched, but its better than many other alternatives.

 

[Aldebaran]

A spanking?!?

Are you referring to a literal spanking like this?

If he can't play nice with his nuclear weapons, then perhaps that's just what he needs.
BTW, my post was in response to SkyWriting, who believes Kim Jong Un just wants a friend (even though he already has Dennis Rodman, plus his entire country "worships" him).

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

And how do you propose that we kill the DPRK? Pre-emptive nuclear attack?

I don't propose for any country to be destroyed. There's enough of it going on all over the world already. War and death is not the solution.

DPRK has already been under de-facto continuous war for 67 years: the aggression of 1950-53 with 4 million dead, then economic and political sanctions, constant military threats in real life and rhetoric, you name it.

So, if there's an attack against DPRK, it'll be just a new stage. And that's exactly where it's going. DPRK will never ever budge, under any sort of external pressure. Therefore, the military attack against it is inevitable, just a matter of time. By the USA or whatever other force under control of the world powers.

The danger of DPRK to the current world order of slavery is DPRK's alternative strong ideology put into very successful practice.