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'You wives must submit to your husband's leadership in the same way as you submit to the LORD' (Ephesians 5:23)
May I ask why 'Zoii?' Do you believe in the Word of God?I dont accept this concept at all.
I dont accept this concept at all.
Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21stMay I ask why 'Zoii?' Do you believe in the Word of God?
Thankyou for your opinion 'Zoii'. We believe here in the inspired Word of God. We live in the new covenant so we don't stone people or such like. Thanks for dropping in 'Zoii'Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21st
That is a positive but not a balance IMO. I am still required to submit to a husband and within the church would be required to submit to male leadership. Its that concept I reject outright.This concept is balanced by Ephesians 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Well, then do you think we can do what we want? Should we allow homosexualism then, because now it is okay, but in biblical times it wasnt?Because I believe the idea of male leadership outdated and originated from a time when women were uneducated and society at large was patriarchal. I believe in God but there is much in the bible christians dont follow such as not working the sabbath, eating pork or stoning women. This to me is just another issue which belongs in the 1st century not the 21st
I was asked for my view. You denouncing it wont change my view as I see this issue taken to unhealthy abusive levels far too often. And I didnt say we are to do what we want, I said that there are laws in the bible that society has either made unlawful or we just dont follow anymore and for good reason.Well, then do you think we can do what we want? Should we allow homosexualism then, because now it is okay, but in biblical times it wasnt?
We are free from the law of Moses and thats it. We cant modify the word of God to live the way WE think it is okay...
Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. (Proverbs 26:12).
We have to submit ourselfes also to the given authorities.
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover–up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king. (1.Peter 13)
It isnt just an issue for women, also the men have to be submissive with the given authorities.
I didnt give my opinion, all I used was the living word of God.
Lehit, Katan
'You wives must submit to your husband's leadership in the same way as you submit to the LORD' (Ephesians 5:23)
Except that is not what you posted, You only posted the part about "Wives submit!" without including any of the surrounding passages... Something men have been doing for 100's of years to "prove" women must submit to them unconditionally & without question,... without holding up their end of things and being the men/man a woman/wife feels safe and willing to submit to.
& Creating a lot of Pain & suffering in the meantime
Funny how men "forget" they are, in fact supposed to Love AND submit also to their spouse also.....
(also Keeping in mind that submit in that context does not mean "Agree with & do everything I say or you're going to hell! you evil woman.)
'For a husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge of His body the church ( He gave His very life to take care of it and be its' Saviour!) (Ephesians 5:24)
This concept is balanced by Ephesians 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Husband and wife submit to each other. Christ should be the head of each home. Both submit to Him. The husband has the responsibility to love his wife. He is not her boss but is required to lead in the home and the wife willingly works with him. It is the same in the church we submit to one another. Christ is the Head of the Church. He has men and women in leadership
I think I made it very clear that husbands should love their wives. Abuse,bullying,does not come under love.The counsel given in Ephesians is certainly relevant to today and needs to be heeded and applied to every Christian and Church of our LORD Jesus Christ. Christians submitting to each other in the love and headship of Christ is essential for good relationships and there should be no abuse in such a relationship. Wives respecting and submitting to their husbands in willing love and husbands loving their wives in respect and care is also the Scriptural way to live.
SorryNot in your first post you dident. and thats what most people are going to read first and react to.
Hi 'zoii'. Marriage should be a partnership. Both working together in loveWhy is it so necessary the idea of headship. Whats so critical about it, as opposed to a partnership. Why would a marriage with a woman leading because shes more decisive, educated or has those types of personal strengths be wrong in gods eyes. Explain that to me.