Did Jesus Ever "Violate" Anyone's "Free Will"?

[jimmyjimmy]

When Jesus walked the earth, did He ever "violate" anyone's "free will"?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No.

 

[-V-]

According to Calvinists, He must have.

Did anyone gain faith because of anything He did? That faith was (according to Calvinism) not available to be accepted or rejected by anyone. It was simply instilled in them by God without their choice.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No.

Did Lazarus ask Jesus to raise him from the dead?

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

When Jesus walked the earth, did He ever "violate" anyone's "free will"?

Of course He did, on numerous occasions. However, He is God, so He can do anything in order to fulfill His perfect will.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Of course He did, on numerous occasions. However, He is God, so He can do anything in order to fulfill His perfect will.

He is the Potter, and we are the clay, right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Did Lazarus ask Jesus to raise him from the dead?

Did Jesus "violate" anything, obeying YHWH, YHWH who told Jesus what to do ?
YHWH who gave Lazarus life ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Of course He did, on numerous occasions. However, He is God, so He can do anything in order to fulfill His perfect will.

Saying YHWH 'violated' anything, you would have to have some law higher than YHWH.

 

[Rubiks]

No. Jesus never made someone convert to Christianity. If someone rejected the gospel, he preached it to the next person and moved on.

 

[Rubiks]

Did Lazarus ask Jesus to raise him from the dead?

How do you know Lazarus never willed (or wanted not) to be raised from the dead?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Saying YHWH 'violated' anything, you would have to have some law higher than YHWH.

That's why I put quotes around "violate". I agree that it is impossible for God to violate what fully belongs to Him.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

How do you know Lazarus never willed (or wanted not) to be raised from the dead?

I also don't know that pink flying monkeys don't like strawberry ice-cream.

 

[Rubiks]

He is the Potter, and we are the clay, right?

So what? You originally asked only if Jesus violated anyone's free will while he took on a human nature on earth, not when he ascended back to heaven.

 

[Rubiks]

I also don't know that pink flying monkeys don't like strawberry ice-cream.

what?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Did Jesus "violate" anything, obeying YHWH, YHWH who told Jesus what to do ?
YHWH who gave Lazarus life ?

So, Jesus saved Lazarus without his consent.

 

[-V-]

Did Lazarus ask Jesus to raise him from the dead?

Of course He did, on numerous occasions. However, He is God, so He can do anything in order to fulfill His perfect will.

He is the Potter, and we are the clay, right?

How often does the clay cry out in agony when put in the kiln? I'll bet that never happens.

Raising Lazarus from the dead, did that act save his soul? Did it condemn his soul? I don't think it did either of those things. I don't think anyone has an issue with God doing something without our consent when that act does not determine the eternal fate of our soul.

However, when violating our free will DOES determine our eternal fate without us having any say in it at all, such violations make God a monster and a spiritual rapist.

That's why I put quotes around "violate". I agree that it is impossible for God to violate what fully belongs to Him.

The Calvinist view makes God violate His own nature. The highest ethic from God is love, that is His very nature. The Calvinist view forces God to be a monster in violation of the very love God is supposed to be.

 

[Rubiks]

So, Jesus saved Lazarus without his consent.

Please provide evidence Lazarus did not want to be saved.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Please provide evidence Lazarus did not want to be saved.

He was dead.

 

[Rubiks]

He was dead.

So you're saying death is cessation of existence? You believe in the soul sleep theory?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, Jesus saved Lazarus without his consent.

Why lie to make a point ? (an invalid point at that)