No more transgender in the military -- poll

[Shiloh Raven]

This is why I wanted Marco Rubio for the nomination, but of course Trump had to hijack everything. He's so egoistical that he drives me crazy. I still think those who are supposedly being his spiritual guides should call him out for his arrogance and actually try to save his soul instead of getting some political brownie points from him.

I think that if his spiritual advisors called him out on his arrogance, he would fire them and then have a pity party for himself on Twitter. I'm sure many of his most faithful followers would come to his rescue, either online or in person, to help soothe his bruised ego and reassure him of his imagined greatness.

 

[jazzflower92]

I think that if his spiritual advisors called him out on his arrogance, he would fire them and then have a pity party for himself on Twitter. I'm sure many of his most faithful followers would come to his rescue, either online or in person, to help soothe his bruised ego and reassure him of his imagined greatness.

Yeah, he doesn't take criticism very well.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Will any of Trump's children volunteer to serve in the military to take the place of the brave transgender people who willingly put their lives at risk for the love and benefit of their country? Today's military is entirely voluntarily. Everyone who enlists does so of their own free will. We know that in Trump's youth he obtained multiple draft deferments, and never served.

 

[mark kennedy]

Fine with that up on the mountaintop.
M-Bob

Because of three landmark Supreme Court decisions the Army started letting gays serve openly, with one reservation, transgender had physical fitness issues.

Physical fitness standards typically do not fully shift until medical transition is complete. In many cases, personnel are exempt from physical fitness tests during transition. Because the gender transition process is unique for each individual — and not all transgender personnel will seek gender transition–related treatment — issues related to physical standards and medical readiness are typically addressed on a case-by-case basis. This flexibility has been important in addressing the needs of transgender personnel. (The Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly in the U.S. Military, RAND)
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In typical Trump fashion he is being the proverbial bull in a china shop. Just like when he said he was going to impose a ban on all Muslims, he is expressing a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues. I didn't really get the option in the poll so let me clarify, once they have made the change RAND defines as, 'sex or gender reassignment or gender confirmation.' I don't have a problem with it.

When I was in the Army it was my job as an NCO to council soldiers on pretty much everything. We had a gay guy in our unit, he was squared away and we talked openly about the legal and political things that were changing Army policy. Another guy one time that was assigned to my group had to inform me of a sexual harassment issue. Apparently the First Sargent had made some unwelcome advances and while deployed you would be surprised what a major problem this can be. It's not just gays, harassment and sexual assault plagued the Army early in the invasion of Iraq and the Army dealt with it.

I just don't think it's appropriate for them to be going through the transition on active duty. Once they have achieved the, 'gender reassignment or gender confirmation', I see no problem with it. Elective surgery is something the Army has little tolerance for, especially when it involves fitness. The military after long periods and lengthy deployments start to trim down the number of personnel on active duty, they simply have to scale back. One of the first things that will get you discharged is any medical or physical limitation of fitness.

I don't like how Trump did this but I understand some of the reasons the military has a problem with transgenders serving while they are going through the transition. There is one big problem though, the Marines for instance, when you have been discharged for medical reasons it's really tough to get back in. The Army isn't as bad but most of the ones who try go through a back door known as the Reserves and the Guards where waivers are more readily available.

In my very limited frame of reference I think a better policy would be to simply not allow those going through the transition to serve. Once completed, I really don't see a big problem for it although, the prescription medicine the need might be a big problem while deployed in a combat zone. The real issues are fitness and simple logistics, being openly transgender isn't really the issue.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

the brave transgender people who willingly put their lives at risk for the love and benefit of their country?

This seems to be a complete "wash"...... or is it 'white-wash' as in tomb ?

Even many 'normal' people, seemingly 'normal', do not put their lives at risk for love nor for benefit of anyone else - they do it for a paycheck , medical coverage and so on.

 

[Yarddog]

Why then did God permit the righteous to be slaughter along with the wicked during much of the inquisition, if not all of it ?
Why did God permit His Name to be used for evil purposes ?
It boggles the mind !

Man has always used God's name as an excuse to do their own evil deeds. If you want to understand why he allows the rightousness to die, ask him. That though, has nothing to do with the post in which you responded.

 

[jazzflower92]

Because of three landmark Supreme Court decisions the Army started letting gays serve openly, with one reservation, transgender had physical fitness issues.

Physical fitness standards typically do not fully shift until medical transition is complete. In many cases, personnel are exempt from physical fitness tests during transition. Because the gender transition process is unique for each individual — and not all transgender personnel will seek gender transition–related treatment — issues related to physical standards and medical readiness are typically addressed on a case-by-case basis. This flexibility has been important in addressing the needs of transgender personnel. (The Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly in the U.S. Military, RAND)
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In typical Trump fashion he is being the proverbial bull in a china shop. Just like when he said he was going to impose a ban on all Muslims, he is expressing a fundamental misunderstanding of the issues. I didn't really get the option in the poll so let me clarify, once they have made the change RAND defines as, 'sex or gender reassignment or gender confirmation.' I don't have a problem with it.

When I was in the Army it was my job as an NCO to council soldiers on pretty much everything. We had a gay guy in our unit, he was squared away and we talked openly about the legal and political things that were changing Army policy. Another guy one time that was assigned to my group had to inform me of a sexual harassment issue. Apparently the First Sargent had made some unwelcome advances and while deployed you would be surprised what a major problem this can be. It's not just gays, harassment and sexual assault plagued the Army early in the invasion of Iraq and the Army dealt with it.

I just don't think it's appropriate for them to be going through the transition on active duty. Once they have achieved the, 'gender reassignment or gender confirmation', I see no problem with it. Elective surgery is something the Army has little tolerance for, especially when it involves fitness. The military after long periods and lengthy deployments start to trim down the number of personnel on active duty, they simply have to scale back. One of the first things that will get you discharged is any medical or physical limitation of fitness.

I don't like how Trump did this but I understand some of the reasons the military has a problem with transgenders serving while they are going through the transition. There is one big problem though, the Marines for instance, when you have been discharged for medical reasons it's really tough to get back in. The Army isn't as bad but most of the ones who try go through a back door known as the Reserves and the Guards where waivers are more readily available.

In my very limited frame of reference I think a better policy would be to simply not allow those going through the transition to serve. Once completed, I really don't see a big problem for it although, the prescription medicine the need might be a big problem while deployed in a combat zone. The real issues are fitness and simple logistics, being openly transgender isn't really the issue.

As I said, this is why Trump needs think before he comes out well these half brained policies.

 

[Yarddog]

It is simple.
Did you bother trying to look it up ?
Sometimes (maybe many times) that is a better way to get to the truth.

I know what occurred at Ai but none of that matches what was asked.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Man has always used God's name as an excuse to do their own evil deeds. If you want to understand why he allows the rightousness to die, ask him. That though, has nothing to do with the post in which you responded.

Amein! Remember that .

Did you ever see Jesus speak right after a question was asked of Him,
totally (or apparently at the time) unrelated to what the person asked Him ?

Whenever Jesus did this, who was He obeying ? (as always )

 

[mark kennedy]

As I said, this is why Trump needs think before he comes out well these half brained policies.

He needs to think more period, I don't know how many times he did something reckless with a far better option right in front of him. Public policy based on discrimination is political poison and this guy swills it down like Gatorade. Why is it too much to ask the leading diplomat of the free world to speak carefully and avoid polarizing everyone.

 

[Yarddog]

Amein! Remember that .

I wrote it, why wouldn't I remember it?

Did you ever see Jesus speak right after a question was asked of Him,
totally (or apparently at the time) unrelated to what the person asked Him ?

Not sure how that applies to any of this.

Whenever Jesus did this, who was He obeying ? (as always )

Jesus was always faithful, but then, that has nothing to do with this matter.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Yeah, he doesn't take criticism very well.

No, he doesn't. But he takes to Twitter to whine and fuss or to flex his political muscles in what seems like a desperate effort to impress other people. He acts like a spoiled child complaining about how he's so mistreated and then he resorts to petty name calling when he doesn't get what he wants or when someone dares to criticize him or challenge him. I'm surprised he hasn't threatened to hold his breathe yet. I wonder what his temper tantrums behind closed doors in the White House are like.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The thing is the USA army isn't God's army, so I wouldn't adhere it to Scripture.

thank you we are a secular nation with a secular government whether someone chooses to sleep with the same sex should not after. Now, I do not believe that transgenders should serve in the military for practical reasons. As for bisexuals and homosexuals I believe they SHOULD be able to serve openly for the above reason.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you're trying to imply that God will cause our military to suffer defeats because of transgender individuals serving in it, you should keep in mind that the military also allows atheists, pagans, satanists, and all sorts of unrepentant sinners. You can't exactly purge them all.

that and we are NOT a Christian nation never have been and anyone who wants us to seriously needs to read history that it has been tried and failed several times.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I currently have no plans to serve in the military, but if it came down to it, I would. And I'd work with anyone I was assigned to work with - unless they were insufferable jerks, then I'd request a new assignment...

I wanted to serve badly, but my health would not allow it as such this is one of the VERY few things that are not CURRENT AND MEDICAL in nature should still be forbidden.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Military service is a privilege reserved for the sane.

so then the question becomes is transgender a mental issue/disorder.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The thing is surprisingly when it comes to Trump, people are very selective towards his sins and believes everything he does is in the favor of God.

I do not know how you figure that any SIZEABLE amount of people see EVERYTHING Trump does as favorable to God?

 

[dogs4thewin]

A chaplain is different from the rest of the military.

They usually are required to serve everyone in the command, however from my understanding, anyway.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Will any of Trump's children volunteer to serve in the military to take the place of the brave transgender people who willingly put their lives at risk for the love and benefit of their country? Today's military is entirely voluntarily. Everyone who enlists does so of their own free will. We know that in Trump's youth he obtained multiple draft deferments, and never served.

There, as I see it are practical reasons that trans should not serve. Just like there are reasons that CERTAIN medical conditions ( although some that are banned I do not believe a HISTORY of certain conditions that currently are bars for enlistment should be, but there are some medical conditions that no matter how badly a person wants to serve is just not practical or have safety concerns. I do not believe that safety is an issue with trans serving.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

that and we are NOT a Christian nation never have been and anyone who wants us to seriously needs to read history that it has been tried and failed several times.

And then the question becomes: What version of Christianity are we talking about? There are quite a few to choose from. Are we talking Catholic? Eastern Orthodox? Anglicanism? Protestant? And if the answer is Protestant, then which version of Protestantism are we talking about? Baptist? Methodist? Wesleyan? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Pentecostal? Non-Denominational? Seventh-Day Adventist? I'm not even going to attempt to list all of the other Christian denominations that are currently in the United States. Based on my 37 years of experience with the Christian faith, I'm not naive to think that all Christians from all these various Christian denominations will unanimously agree on which version of Protestantism to endorse as the right version of Christianity to follow and then enforce it. And what about Catholics and every other Christian sect that isn't Protestant? What about them? So yeah, trying to make America a Christian nation or worse, a Christian Theocracy, would be completely disastrous.