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It is not as though humans were eating meat before the fall (Genesis 1:29-30, Genesis 2:9, Genesis 2:16). The fall of humankind was incredibly destructive, devastating, grievous.. we have not recovered yet (Romans 8:19-22).
Clean and unclean is to do with the conscience of a person who has developed a holiness. Think of the way we Westerners are uncomfortable to eat an animal with paws - because they are cute. Well, some animals are too cute and some are too gross (meaning it is unclean to the holy people).
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It was less clean and unclean and more "food or not food." A turkey vulture is not food, unclean if you will... but still "good" because it has a purpose, in it's case, cleaning up the ground of dead and decaying animals.
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Well they where called good at the start of creation.. When Adam and eve did not eat meat.. So the qualty of meat was not an issue.. Clean and unclean is only related to eating them.. It is not a judgement upon their goodness or badness. So the two statements are not related to the same issue..
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God to Noah ...
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."
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I believe this was the result of the duality that entered the world after the introduction of the knowledge of good and evil. Before we were naked and felt no shame, afterwards nakedness was shameful......before all animals were clean, After some clean others unclean. etc....
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Clean and unclean isn't a marker that determines value. Being unclean is also not a sin... it is just being unclean and there were ways to become clean. Remember the woman with the issue of blood who grabbed the hem (tzit zit... or fringes) of Messiah's clothing? She was unclean and anything she touched was unclean... including him. When Messiah touched the dead to raise them, he became unclean. I would argue that when he was born and he traveled through the birth canal and touched all the same fluids that made Mary unclean that he too, was unclean. That isn't sin, that isn't bad... it doesn't detract from "very good" it is just a condition. In the case of which animals are or are not food... that condition doesn't change. When it comes to a servant of God who becomes unclean... there were ways to make yourself clean. It isn't the issue we make it out to be in the West mainly because we are looking at this through our MODERN lens... not a 2000 year old Semitic lens which is what the NT was written through.
Be blessed.
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One of the introductions to the concept of babylon ...
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I don't believe this not to be the case, but it would appear that God, in a progressive fashion does ...
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Could you restate that... by saying "don't believe" and "not the case" I am not sure what you believe. Thanks.
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No HE didn't become unclean
That was thw reason why all were being healed
I suggest you read Haggai 2
All were declared unclean
Messiah was touching and being touched and all who were declared already by GOD's WORD as unclean (who believed by faith) were made clean
It did not make HIM unclean because HE was HOLY
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