Vote: what is the best argument against fine tuning

[LaraLara]

It's one artist's interpretation of a Bandersnatch.

You should choose a different bandersnatch. It looks unsocial and that is not how I would describe you

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's one artist's interpretation of a Bandersnatch.

When I hear of the word "Bandersnatch" I think of Niven's concept. Of course he got the name from Carroll. His bandersnatch looked more like a giant Shmoo than any other creature that I can think of:

 

[LaraLara]

You defintly increased the list of non-functional entities in the universe My 500 meter tree was lame in comparision.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You should choose a different bandersnatch. It looks unsocial and that is not how I would describe you

It's ironic. But if you think you can describe someone based on a few forum posts, you're mistaken.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I let myself be tricked I was shown only part of the video, sorry.

So in what part of the video does Dawkins reject the WAP ?

 

[LaraLara]

So in what part of the video does Dawkins reject the WAP ?

He says something like he can understand why people find it unsatisfying.

 

[LaraLara]

But if you think you can describe someone based on a few forum posts, you're mistaken.

Judging people is always an arkward undertaking. I thought I understood people with which I lived decades and I was neverteless wrong. Almost costed me my life kind of wrong. I am still looking for people who can help me regain confidence in humanity.

 

[LaraLara]

error , sorry

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

He says something like he can understand why people find it unsatisfying.

That's not even saying that other people reject it.

But never mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You defintly increased the list of non-functional entities in the universe My 500 meter tree was lame in comparision.

The Frumious Bandersnatchi were an example of ID. They were life that were created by an ancient race in Niven's Known Space, a series that I highly recommend. You can learn about the basics of the Bandersnatchi here, a warning if you ever plan to read the series there are spoilers a plenty in the article:

Bandersnatch

 

[LaraLara]

They were life that were created by an ancient race in Niven's Known Space, a series that I highly recommend.

I was an avid reader of science fiction and fantasy but my mental illness killed my ability to read long texts. Bandersnatch might find it very strange why I am his groupy now but I have run into so many bad people recently that I am overjoyed when I find someone behaving remotely human.

 

[toLiJC]

Some of the physics of this universe seems to be preprogrammed to create life. What is your favourite argument against such a line of thought? You can mention several arguments of course but I would like to know which one you prefere.

there has been a delusion coming from the angels of satan, let's say they have materialized fossils of prehistoric animals and humanlike creatures (that have actually never lived) along with prehistoric/paleontological sediments/layers and even aged them for thousands, millions and billions of years, let's say they have made many cosmic phenomena, and aged the matter of many cosmic bodies for millions and billions of years, let's say they have even made strange animals appear, whose anatomies testify to the existence of long biological evolution..., let's say they have done all this along with many other things only in order to mislead as many humans as possible that there is no true God...

Blessings

 

[Subduction Zone]

there has been a delusion coming from the angels of satan, let's say they have materialized fossils of prehistoric animals and humanlike creatures (that have actually never lived) along with prehistoric/paleontological sediments/layers and even aged them for thousands, millions and billions of years, let's say they have made many cosmic phenomena, and aged the matter of many cosmic bodies for millions and billions of years, let's say they have even made strange animals appear, whose anatomies testify to the existence of long biological evolution..., let's say they have done all this along with many other things only in order to mislead as many humans as possible that there is no true God...

Blessings

The theory of evolution is not an attempt to refute God. It only corrects some of the errors in Genesis.

 

[LaraLara]

there has been a delusion coming from the angels of satan

Blessings

If you distrust the realness of reality you might want to have a look into philosophical sceptcism (NOT scientific scepticism)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Judging people is always an arkward undertaking. I thought I understood people with which I lived decades and I was neverteless wrong.

'Nuff said.

 

[toLiJC]

The theory of evolution is not an attempt to refute God. It only corrects some of the errors in Genesis.

how can there be errors on the part of the true God?!, if you were (in the place of) the system Administrator/Provider of life, would you cause there to be a long, idiotic(vain) evolution for millions and billions of years, given that the souls must be provided with abundant and eternal life as soon as possible, because every passing year without there being such a life for them can only harm/damage their chance to have it for a longer time (let's say they could be born and exist in the form of idiotic monstrous predators eating one another instead of having abundant and eternal life in Paradise for much or most of the time of the eternity)?!

Blessings

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... I am overjoyed when I find someone behaving remotely human.

It's really just English politeness.

 

[LaraLara]

It's really just English politeness.

For a depressed suicidal person this can be kind of life saving because before your end you make a kind of calculation how many friendly persons you have meet recently in comparision to the unfriendly and if the balance is negative ...

 

[LaraLara]

Back to the subject: there is nobody who picked the multiverse as favourite argument against fine tuning?

 

[Subduction Zone]

how can there be errors on the part of the true God?!, if you were (in the place of) the system Administrator/Provider of life, would you cause there to be a long, idiotic(vain) evolution for millions and billions of years, given that the souls must be provided with abundant and eternal life as soon as possible, because every passing year without there being such a life for them can only harm/damage their chance to have it for a longer time (let's say they could be born and exist in the form of idiotic monstrous predators eating one another instead of having abundant and eternal life in Paradise for much or most of the time of the eternity)?!

Blessings

We are not talking about "on the part of the true God" we are talking about the Bible. And it has flaws galore.

And we did not have to "be there". That is a losing argument. We do paternity tests every day. No one had to "be there". Murder cases are solved with forensic evidence every day. Once again, the prosecutors did not have to "be there".

And why must life be provided with a soul? The Earth, chemistry, life itself, and various other sources tell us that life is the product of evolution. Making the error of treating the Bible as God is ironically a violation of the Second Commandment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Back to the subject: there is nobody who picked the multiverse as favourite argument against fine tuning?

It might be valid. But then again it might not be needed at all. If the "fine tuned" aspects turn out to be necessities then the argument falls apart that way too.

But it is a valid hypothesis.