Does God Accept Imperfect Obedience?

[jimmyjimmy]

It's not the only thing involved in salvation, but I do think it helps.

Exhibit A

 

[Neogaia777]

I think and thought she was actually saying kind of the opposite, when I read her post...?



Peace,

God Bless!

Obedience that misses the mark, was what I thought she meant...?

 

[Hammster]

I guess I would have to ask what exactly is meant by accepting imperfect obedience.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Obedience that misses the mark, was what I thought she meant...?

Yes, I'm in no way a perfect Christian.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I guess I would have to ask what exactly is meant by accepting imperfect obedience.

Right standing.

 

[Hammster]

Right standing.

I'm still not sure exactly what you're getting at, but prima facia I'd say no, He doesn't accept imperfect obedience

 

[Neogaia777]

Right standing.

I'm still not sure exactly what you're getting at, but prima facia I'd say no, He doesn't accept imperfect obedience

Sorry, I'm a little confused too, could you explain what you mean?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I'm still not sure exactly what you're getting at, but prima facia I'd say no, He doesn't accept imperfect obedience

You've surely read posts which stress law-keeping as a way in which sinners are made right with God. What I'm getting at is that the same people who claim such, DON'T claim sinless perfection. We must obey the (too, most will add) but their idea of obeying the law is that God grades on a curve.

 

[jax5434]

Does God accept "imperfect obedience"?
No, if He did there would be no need for repentance

Does Christ save only those who obey the law?

No one is saved thru obeying the law

God Bless
Jax

 

[Hammster]

Sorry, I'm a little confused too, could you explain what you mean?

If God accepted imperfect obedience, then Christ wouldn't have to come, live in perfect obedience, and go to the cross.

 

[HighCherub]

Lately, the sheer number of posts which explicitly and implicitly state that Jesus saves only those who keep the law has been astounding. Most of those claiming such don't claim moral perfection, but quite frankly, I would have less of a problem with them if they did, because there is no such animal as imperfect obedience.

Does God accept "imperfect obedience"?

Does Christ save only those who obey the law?

~A man is not saved because he believes in God, he believe in God because he is saved~

This is the central belief of John Calvin, and he answers your question therein- man, without the understanding of the Spirit, cannot dictate what and what is not sin.

 

[Hammster]

You've surely read posts which stress law-keeping as a way in which sinners are made right with God. What I'm getting at is that the same people who claim such, DON'T claim sinless perfection. We must obey the (too, most will add) but their idea of obeying the law is that God grades on a curve.

Okay. That went in a different direction.

 

[Neogaia777]

~A man is not saved because he believes in God, he believe in God because he is saved~

This is the central belief of John Calvin, and he answers your question therein- man, without the understanding of the Spirit, cannot dictate what and what is not sin.

In this world, the way it is, almost everything is...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

No one is saved thru obeying the law

God Bless
Jax

Even if they did, or could, that would not save them, and I think they would be "missing the point" of it all...

 

[Neogaia777]

You've surely read posts which stress law-keeping as a way in which sinners are made right with God. What I'm getting at is that the same people who claim such, DON'T claim sinless perfection. We must obey the (too, most will add) but their idea of obeying the law is that God grades on a curve.

Yes, those who say you must keep all the law (be sinlessly perfect) to be saved, yet are not doing it themselves, nor are even they themselves capable of it... I don't understand the ones that say this, and "know" they can't or are not doing it confuse me the most... hypocritical, confusing, we discussed that...?

Whether God grades on any kind of curve or not, is up to him and for him only to know...

Still not getting "right standing" connected to imperfect obedience...?

Don't suppose you could try again or another approach maybe...?

God Bless!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I did.
I think you erred greatly.
I don't think anyone fits what you said in the op - there were not only not an astounding number of posts claiming anyone must obey all the law to be saved,
there probably were less than 3 in the last 3 weeks,
and
I don't think you know any of them - I don't think you even read 1 post that said so - and that's a big big difference , yes indeed and in fact,
quite a difference from "astounding number" "explicitly and implicitly" ....

How are you certain that you've read the same posts I have?

Also, 3 posts from protestants promoting salvation by works is astounding, but there are a lot more. Not all of them are explicit, as I've stated.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Does God accept "imperfect obedience"?

Does Christ save only those who obey the law?

1) Obedience is tried by fire in judgment. the good work remains the bad burnt up.

So no acceptance of imperfection, its burnt up.

Yet we are still saved, the judgment is for reward.

1 Corinthians 3:9-15

2) Jesus Christ saves all those who His Father gives to Him, those who by faith believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Christ the Son of God, was put to death for our sins, and God raised Him and Glorified Him at His Right Hand to Lord over all.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I think God accepts obedience in whatever way we understand it. Progressive revelation in other words, as you understand more then you can and should obey more completely. A babe in Christ is not expected nor should be expected to obey as a mature believer does.

 

[RC1970]

Lately, the sheer number of posts which explicitly and implicitly state that Jesus saves only those who keep the law has been astounding. Most of those claiming such don't claim moral perfection, but quite frankly, I would have less of a problem with them if they did, because there is no such animal as imperfect obedience.

Does God accept "imperfect obedience"?

Does Christ save only those who obey the law?

I think what you are seeing (I've seen it also) is that people confuse sanctification with justification. There are verses in the Bible that seem to say that works are required for salvation, but these verses do not say that the works are salvific, only that they attend salvation.

Luther's summary of James 2:14-26 is as follows: "We are saved by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone."

 

[Rick Otto]

You shouldn't judge yourself like that, cause really you do not know, and it is only God's judgement that matters...

Peace,

God Bless!

I invite you to have a sense of humor.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The answer is really very plain. God does not need to accept anything other than perfect obedience, because the obedience of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone is infinitely perfect. Apart from His obedience anything that we consider to be obedience on our part is infinitesimally pathetic.