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We can never "stop sinning"

To tell people that they must do this... puts them in a situation that they, instinctively know, is impossible.

You cannot tell me that you never sin.
Eh with this I have to disagree with I know people personally that don't struggle with white lies or things like that. Also the Bible indicates it's possible to not sin in phrases such as sin not for example. But after such phrases it says if you sin or fall or this or that you can seek forgiveness. Jesus wouldn't say not to sin if it wasn't possible, it's just hard to do even after being saved. But eventually you can reach such a stage I've seen older saints first hand that would qualify as such. Now do they maybe still deal with flaws I guess or ??? sure I'm not suggesting perfection is possible where you don't have any flaws and sins that's impossible. But we can at least deal with the sin portion. We can at least "lay aside every sin that doeth so easily beset us. It's just a process is all. But once an indidivual has The Holy Ghost for sure they have the ability to not sin it's just a matter of will and spiritual development along with denial of the flesh. Usually this yeah takes time for a lot but some not that much depends on the person and what God saved them from.
 
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Matthew 22:36-40
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

thats what we have to do.....
I think it is interesting that the one who asked the question said "Law" which is a reference to the Torah and Jesus replied with "the Law and the Prophets" which in His time referred to the entire OT Scripture.

You said, "that's all we have to do....." But, have you considered this verse from the Torah?

“You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. Deut 14:26 NASB

I'll drink to that! (Sorry, just being silly)
 
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We can never "stop sinning"

To tell people that they must do this... puts them in a situation that they, instinctively know, is impossible.

You cannot tell me that you never sin.
Romans 6:18

“Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” Comment: we are free from sin once we have completed acts 2:38 but sometimes people choose to go back into what God freed saved folk from hence why we have this verse..
1 John 2:1

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”. Comment before next verse: There's also this though.... 1 john 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Comment: there's a reason God says nothing can pluck us from his grasp... when you're saved you're saved... and you can stay saved from sin.. but a person can also choose to return to a sin or sinful life in general and thus they have an advocate with the father. Once you have the seed (word) in you though and you're walking in 1 john 3 status you don't have to have advocates with the father constantly anymore about sin at least you're past the last half of 1 john 2 and you're part of the first half of it you're grown and strong.
 
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We can never "stop sinning"

To tell people that they must do this... puts them in a situation that they, instinctively know, is impossible.

You cannot tell me that you never sin.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9 NASB
It is impossible for someone born of God to "sin" because hamartia translated "sin" means: to miss, be errant, go the wrong way, off-course, wayward etc.

The English word "sin" comes from the Latin sinistra which means: left-hand. It is also where we get the English word "sinister".

The word "sin" is Latinized and ecclesiastic and has completely masked the truth about are walk. Until we all figure this out, we will continue to argue about, "What is a sin?"
 
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If you have a changed hear aka mind you will strive to stop sinning but not be able to do that much until you have sins washed away through baptism and Receive the Holy Ghost on the inside to help you resist sin. I mean they just had repentance in the OT and look where that got them. But in the NT we also have The Holy Ghost and baptism. Repentance is a change of mind.. its determination and an established FEar of God... determination and a changed mindset does something.. but only so much it's 1/3rd of the salvation process.
But if we don't actually stop sinning, it's like that saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Immoral sexual lust? Substance (and alcohol) abuse? Pride? We need to conquer these things.
 
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But if we don't actually stop sinning, it's like that saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Immoral sexual lust? Substance (and alcohol) abuse? Pride? We need to conquer these things.
That's what I'm saying repentance doesn't enable someone to conquer those sins and resist them but the HOly Spirit does. Repentance gives someone he mindset and will to turn away (Jesus said in scripture how he didn't give the Holy Ghost to a group of people because they didn't believe or something like that). Repentance gives someone the mind for reception and the determination and mind to strive to not sin, the Spirit gives them the full power itself to do so
 
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I disagree.

I was well aware of what sin was and that I was a sinner. That is exactly why I knew I needed Christ's forgiveness and salvation.

If I was unaware of what sin was, I would have had no reason to turn to Christ.
My path was a different one. The Lord came into my life and we became "friends." I continued to sin and was not happy. Then he led me to repent of my sins, one by one, and one day my fear suddenly disappeared.
 
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We can never "stop sinning"

To tell people that they must do this... puts them in a situation that they, instinctively know, is impossible.

You cannot tell me that you never sin.
Nonsense.

You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV
 
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That's what I'm saying repentance doesn't enable someone to conquer those sins and resist them but the HOly Spirit does. Repentance gives someone he mindset and will to turn away (Jesus said in scripture how he didn't give the Holy Ghost to a group of people because they didn't believe or something like that). Repentance gives someone the mind for reception and the determination and mind to strive to not sin, the Spirit gives them the full power itself to do so
Well, yes, we need the Lord's help to repent. Temptation is very powerful. However, the Lord will help us and we have no excuses.
 
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Well, yes, we need the Lord's help to repent. Temptation is very powerful. However, the Lord will help us and we have no excuses.
That's what I was saying like repentance is good but after repentance a person must accept The Holy Spirit that God has for everyone who wants him if you want to keep walking in repentance need God as well
 
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But if we don't actually stop sinning, it's like that saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Immoral sexual lust? Substance (and alcohol) abuse? Pride? We need to conquer these things.
Your confusing 'lust', as a deeds of the flesh, with hamartia(translated sin). James makes it clear that Lust can give birth to hamartia and you would be way off course--hamartia. James is using hamartia as the errant flight of an arrow(base meaning of hamartia) which can cause harm to self and others. And when that flight of that arrow is complete, finds it's target, brings forth death.
 
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That's what I was saying like repentance is good but after repentance a person must accept The Holy Spirit that God has for everyone who wants him if you want to keep walking in repentance need God as well
The great and first commandment (Matt 22:34-40) teaches us to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls. Paul teaches us to pray constantly (1 Thess 5:17). Your point is an excellent one.
 
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Your confusing 'lust', as a deeds of the flesh, with hamartia(translated sin). James makes it clear that Lust can give birth to hamartia and you would be way off course--hamartia. James is using hamartia as the errant flight of an arrow(base meaning of hamartia) which can cause harm to self and others. And when that flight of that arrow is complete, finds it's target, brings forth death.
I don't think I'm confusing sexual lust with anything. I know exactly what it is, how powerful it is, and how destructive it is.
 
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I don't think I'm confusing sexual lust with anything. I know exactly what it is, how powerful it is, and how destructive it is.
Yes, and so does James. Highly destructive: like shooting a whole quiver of arrows into the air without any concern about how many people it will harm. You think you made your bed in heaven but instead, wake up in hell!

I was pointing out that there are different Greek words that have there own thinking: ta erga tEs sarkos; parabasis; paraptOma; hamartia. If we confuse this we will be "Missing the Point".
 
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It seems that some people do not understand the definition of repent/repentance and the meaning imposed.

Example from Acts 2:38 (repent) =Strong's G3340 μετανοέω metanoéō, met-an-o-eh'-o : to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):—repent; To change one's mind, i.e. to repent; to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

Example from Acts 20:21 (repentance) = Strong's G3341 μετάνοια metánoia, met-an'-oy-ah; from G3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication, reversal (of (another's) decision):—repentance; a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

Also, repenting alone does not save a person. They must obey ALL that the gospel has said.

Hear, believe, repent, confess, be baptized, remain faithful.

To not do these, is to not obtain salvation 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

To not be baptized, is to not put on Christ and not be in His kingdom aka the church, Galatians 3:26-27; Romans 6:1-5; Acts 2:38,41,47; Colossians 1:13; Colossians 2:12.

Repenting is wonderful, but you will not obtain remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit without baptism, Acts 2:38. You will not be in Christs body Galatians 3:26-27.
 
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Well, we have to define what is required of us. I don't think we are required to produce two doves during the third new moon of the third and ninth months of the year, but the Lord did give us some commandments that he expected us to obey: Dot not murder, do not commit adultery, etc.

So you believe that you are free to do things that God revealed to be sin and that Jesus said to repent of doing, and you also want to talk about people missing the point?
 
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It seems that some people do not understand the definition of repent/repentance and the meaning imposed.

Example from Acts 2:38 (repent) =Strong's G3340 μετανοέω metanoéō, met-an-o-eh'-o : to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):—repent; To change one's mind, i.e. to repent; to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

Example from Acts 20:21 (repentance) = Strong's G3341 μετάνοια metánoia, met-an'-oy-ah; from G3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication, reversal (of (another's) decision):—repentance; a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

Also, repenting alone does not save a person. They must obey ALL that the gospel has said.

Hear, believe, repent, confess, be baptized, remain faithful.

To not do these, is to not obtain salvation 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

To not be baptized, is to not put on Christ and not be in His kingdom aka the church, Galatians 3:26-27; Romans 6:1-5; Acts 2:38,41,47; Colossians 1:13; Colossians 2:12.

Repenting is wonderful, but you will not obtain remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit without baptism, Acts 2:38. You will not be in Christs body Galatians 3:26-27.
People tend to define "repent" any way they choose, it seems to me. However, if a person doesn't believe "repent" means "stop sinning" (or "turn from your sin"), then I think they are on that road of good intentions that leads to hell.
 
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So you believe that you are free to do things that God revealed to be sin and that Jesus said to repent of doing, and you also want to talk about people missing the point?
No, I'm saying that I believe the Old Testament does more than one thing. It lays out a moral code that we all are required to follow, and it lays out a manner of worship that the Jews are required to follow.
 
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